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Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 04:53 PM
Hey guys! I'm gonna buy me a 240SX, well hopefully...heh. But I just wanted to find out what stuff I should look at...as in troublespots. Things to look out for...and what not...whats good to look at. Oh yea which is the best model for my money?

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 04:55 PM
Depends on what you are looking for, but if you plan on drifting you better plan on checking out the suspension.

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 04:57 PM
Like what should I look for...don't really know much about cars. Like cracks...brands, or plain stock?

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 04:58 PM
okie dokie, first thing is first....depends on what you want, you want an S13? S14? or a 180sx?
now after that, if you can find a 180sx or an S13 with SUPER HICAS GET IT! 4ws baby :> ....other than that it really doesnt matter what version to get, just get a 5spd :| please?

trouble spots are usually the radiator....gotta always watch out for that....unless your switching the ka24de to an sr20det....well yea radiator for that if your going to drift...if its going to be a commuter dont worry about that radiator, but if you are drifting and doing hard driving, switch the radiator, first thing to do

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:00 PM
Check bushings, check ride quality when you buy any car. If the car feels like it's really sporty without any sporty modifications, then your ride sucks. Make sure the car is factory smooth. If it bumps around too much then maybe you should look elsewhere, or IM me since you responded in like .02 seconds "Apt107xquoc"

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:01 PM
for your first few times drifting you really dont want to worry about mods you have and all tha b/s, just be get used to the feel and then after that switch the stock suspension for something after market, TEIN, GPSPORTS, etc...but after you learn a little more and you get the feel for your car you can upgrade and start improving and just working with the car to figure out a basic pattern and set up for it, remember the stiffer you go the more control your going to have in thru the turn

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:03 PM
How can I tell the differnece between the S13, S14 and 180SX?

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:03 PM
HICAS or no HICAS doesn't really matter. The reason, HICAS is a sensor system that enables the rear wheel suspension to assist in steering. You are pretty much controlling the car with speed and suspension. HICAS might be good for road racing or SOLO or SCCA style events, but drifting, I say pssst to your HICAS!

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
How can I tell the differnece between the S13, S14 and 180SX?

If you don't know then you shouldn't buy a nissan.

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:04 PM
okie dokie, 180sx = fastback or hatchback, s13 = trunk (both run 1989-1993) S14 go from 1994-1998 with a trunk

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:06 PM
OOh I want the Fastback.

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:07 PM
oh and if your drifting, try and find a model without a sunroof, reason being is that it is easier for the chassis to twist, without one means the chassis is stiffer and its easier to hold up to wear and tear

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:10 PM
Yea I figured that one out...

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:11 PM
Okay, S13, S14, and S15 all are the JDM versions of the US 240SX. Depending on which year the car was made will determine the chassis that goes along with the JDM Counterpart.
All the JDM cars have the badge Silvia, meaning Nissan Silvia (S13, S14, or S15).

In Japan, the Silvias are powered by a 2.0 Turbo motor dubbed the SR20. In the US, the 240SXs are powered by a 2.4 Liter non-turbo motors dubbed the KA24. Notice the 240 has a 2.4 liter motor and 180SXs have a 1.8 Liter Motor.

US Cars can be converted to their JDM counterparts usually with front clips and rear taillight conversions.

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:13 PM
Yea I understand the 2.4=240 and how to convert them to the JDM ones...seen it in the magazines.

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:15 PM
89-93 = S13
94-96 = S14
Not sure about S15 since they don't have any in the US (Unless Imported)

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:17 PM
Another thing....I would rather just swap the ka24de for a redtop sr20det from a front clip of an s13, people mod there ka's and it usually holds up pretty well, but not as well as the already turbocharged sr20det, it would probally be alot cheaper just to buy the engine and swap it for the ka

oh and the first year for the S15 was 1999.1
same time for the gt-r

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:18 PM
oh and its 1994-1998, the kouki was the last S14, the one with the slanted headlights that go in in steaad of more rectangle ones like the R33 lights

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:18 PM
Heres some of the ones I'm looking at...

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2003/6/14/133/750/396730360.133750095.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.565x377.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2003/6/14/133/772/396864354.133772652.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.565x339.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2003/6/13/133/601/395744429.133601728.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
Another thing....I would rather just swap the ka24de for a redtop sr20det from a front clip of an s13, people mod there ka's and it usually holds up pretty well, but not as well as the already turbocharged sr20det, it would probally be alot cheaper just to buy the engine and swap it for the ka

oh and the first year for the S15 was 1999.1
same time for the gt-r

One more thing, the S15 SR20DET might cost a bit more but the motor is newer (1999-2001) and you will probably get more out of a stock motor.

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:22 PM
Don't think I'll change the front clip though...I actually like the lazy headlight look..its kinda cute...hehe:D

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:23 PM
Also, if you can find a JDM 180SX Motor and make a mucho crazy motor out of it, it puts out a lot of *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* for being non-turbo. Koguchi's Falken Tire 180SX (Red) was all motor and he was spitten flames.

Notice the exhaust side and the intake side is different from the SR20.


http://www.apartment107.com/assets/article/966/photos/DSC03178.jpg

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:24 PM
the red one looks like the best condition out of all 3, the first 2 white ones look worn out

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:25 PM
Oh wow...looks like that engine would be hard to work on...no room for anything. Do you know where I can see a pic of a regular engine of an S13??

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:26 PM
and one of the reasons the S15 Blacktop engine is more expensive is the addition of a 6spd close ratio manny tranny
but it puts out around 260 I think, while the s13 sr20 puts out 205, and the redtop s14 puts out 226

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:27 PM
S13 motor looks somewhat like this, but not as kick *Censored**Censored**Censored*.

http://www.apartment107.com/assets/article/1087/show/DSC04005.jpg

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:27 PM
Yea theres others but junkie quality pics...hmm I like the first white one..but like you mention before about the chasis...it has a sunroof...but putting in a roll cage would fix that wouldn't it??

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:28 PM
Koguchi has the lazy eye look.

http://www.apartment107.com/assets/article/966/photos/DSC03207.jpg

EvilEwok
06-18-2003, 05:29 PM
kind of, but that costs more moula, plus the welding

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:31 PM
Yea I've seen the kougichi, I believe it was on a dvd....Well my bf can do the wielding and such...just need to buy scrap metal right..can't be that expensive?

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
Yea theres others but junkie quality pics...hmm I like the first white one..but like you mention before about the chasis...it has a sunroof...but putting in a roll cage would fix that wouldn't it??

Roll cages help, but are you going to put it right in just like that? Sunroof is alright, you can have a removable type like one of the S13's that Signal has. It has a sunroof that they take off. Just remember most don't and the blacktop looks really nice on anything. No biggie, it doesn't make that much difference. The difference is in your tie bars and suspension mainly. Tie bars are a must!

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
Yea I've seen the kougichi, I believe it was on a dvd....Well my bf can do the wielding and such...just need to buy scrap metal right..can't be that expensive?

Your BF better know what he's doing. Unless he's done one before you're okay, but if you think anyone can weld? (and make it look good and usefull) But yeah, roll cages are sometimes $$$. Work on the basics. Rome wasn't built in a day. And what DVD did you see him on? Was it @ Drift Showoff?

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:33 PM
So the sunroof in the white car wouldn't make much of a difference??

AllMotorKing
06-18-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
So the sunroof in the white car wouldn't make much of a difference??

Like i said, worry about the stuff that affects the car more. Tie bars are going to be a bigger player in chassis dynamics than a sunroof.

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:37 PM
Yea he doesn't think is weilding is the best yet..but hes getting more practice, and trying to figure out whats the best areas to weild it together... The DVD was...a combination of sorts...it was dubbed with a japanese chick being the interviewer...it had drag racing on it, streeting racing, street drifting, and then the end had car shows....the cover from what i remember had some kind of night scene...since I can't think of the name....

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 05:45 PM
Okay dokie....sounds like a plan to me...

Jhapa
06-18-2003, 10:39 PM
s13 is a chassis code, which 180sx have, thus rs13 for 89-90 180sx and rps13 for 91-98 180sx, also 91 plus 180sx or ps13's(silvia) had sr20det , both 180sx and silvia below 91 had ca18det(1.8l). all superhicas, i believe, had sunroofs. no s13's had abs except hicas edition. sunroofs won't matter unless you are going to be hardcore drifting, autox, etc. if you search, many hardcore drifters do have sunroofs, it is all personal preference. s14's 95-98. not hatch. jdm s14 had sr20det with 220hp. s15 had 250 hp with 6 speed tranny. many drifters change the tranny for s14 5 speed. 6 speed tranny has close ratio and not good for drifting. another option is to do an rb swap. i would do more research, on s13, s14, etc. also check other 240 related websites.

http://www.240sxforums.com

Wickdmarz
06-18-2003, 11:06 PM
Thanks for the info...I just joined that forum, so I'll post there as well.

Bbandit
06-21-2003, 11:19 AM
yes.. join 240sx forums

freshalloy.com <-- technical
zilvia.net <-- great place to chill (cool people)
240sxforums.com
nico

Transient
06-21-2003, 03:35 PM
man this is terrible. Let me clean up some of this post cause it's full of lots of bad info. I'll just go into basics and HOPEFULLY you will avoid some misleading info from EvilEwok and AllMotorKing

US 240sx
89-90 = S13, coupe and hatchback, KA24E
91-93 = S13, coupe and hatchback, KA24DE
94 = S13, convertable, KA24DE. All autos.
95-96 = S14, coupe only, rounder type headlights KA24DE
98 240sx = S14 coupe only, more agressive headlights KA24DE

240sx = 2.4L

S13 hatchback in japan was known as the 180sx. The early years where we got KA24E, for them they got CA18DET.

180sx = 1.8L Turbo (CA18)

Later, they got the SR20DET and were produced until 1998 I think. They made minor appearance change in 96.5 in Japan, although our hatchback model was only available til 1993.

Silvias were the coupes. The early coupes were powered by CA18 also. In the US, our coupes got the popup headlights. Some people call it one-via since its a combination 180sx and Silvia. 1Via. They switched over to SR20DET later and it has been the powerplant since, with small variations making each version of the SR20DET different. But all practically the same. The S15 SR20DET has a 6-speed, which isnt very durable. People in Japan often just swap the tranny to 5-speed again cause those were more durable.

Japan 180sx (hatchback)
88-89 CA18 S13 model, Zenki, aka pignose for its bumper
90-96 SR20 S13 model, Chuki, new front bumper
96.5-98? SR20 S13 model, Kouki, new tail lights and ground effects

Also, some parts of the world got the 180sx and Silvia, both in CA18 or SR20 version. They are called 200sx depending on where you are at. Of course, 200sx here practically means Sentra.

Japan Silvia
88-89 = S13, coupe CA18DET
90-93 = S13 coupe, SR20
94-95 = S14 roundeye coupe, SR20
96-98 = S14 shark eye coupe, SR20, minor change aka kouki model
99-01 = S15 silvia coupe, SR20, 6-speed introduce, also available in Varietta form, although those only came in NA

All of these cars in Japan came out a year earlier, so thier CA18 cars (our KA24E cars) were 88-89, then went SR20 (ours went KA24DE) in 90+. Also thier early S14 was a 94 model whereas ours started in 95. They got no S13 convertable of any sort, however there were custom shops that do that conversion. The chassis isnt as strong so its not suitable for any kind of competetive driving.

We get no Silvias or 180SX in the US so people who just call them that are nerds who think thier car is more special by using the JDM names.

Also, Koguchi's red car is an SR20DET. That means turbo. It is NOT NA. hell, none of his cars are NA. Theres a misprint on Drifting Magazine too as it lists it as a CA18. That's also wrong so if you are some kind of magazine racer who gets thier knowledge from that, that's a typo.

Transient
06-21-2003, 03:38 PM
minor typo*
97-98 240sx = S14 coupe only, more agressive headlights KA24DE

and turboing a KA isnt a good idea for anyone thinking about it. They werent made to handle it, and you would spend the same amount of cash making it reliable as you could just swapping an SR20 in. Most people are stubborn and say yeah but you get more torque, yada yada. Those guys go through engines. Ask anyone who's done both and they'll tell you the SR20 is better than turboing a KA.

AllMotorKing
06-22-2003, 10:44 AM
NOTE ON THE MOTOR ABOVE

SR20's have the intake manifold on the left side of the engine and the exhaust on the other. Koguchi's motor was not an SR20 as you can tell by the reverse of the intake exhaust setup. The intake is on the right side of the motor and the exhaust is on the left. (The view is when you're standing in front of the motor looking at it).

So is that an SR20? No it isn't

Transient
06-22-2003, 10:56 AM
Firstly, I don't know any 350rwhp NA 180sx that were drifting that day. If you saw it in person, which I did, you would know for sure it was not NA. But since you don't agree with me then I'll have to give you the proof you ask for. By the way, the right side where the filter is has a pipe connected to that filter. You can see it bends down. Guess where that leads to? The turbo. It's under that non existant piping you talk of. Of course, I don't have any pictures to show you of that, as I only have my recollection of what went on that day, and since you used other peoples pics as evidence, I am limited to pictures of what they took. But here's some photo evidence for you that should shut you up:


http://www.modified.com/media/images/13-410041/gal/IMG_4934.JPG

You can see the intercooler here. Who's the fool now?

AllMotorKing
06-22-2003, 10:59 AM
Okay, first of all I did take those pictures, second of all, I told you if I was wrong, that I would take my mistake and agree with you and bow down. But don't *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*en tell me that I didn't take those pixes because that show "Drift Showoff" was held by Mainstream and On the Scene Video Magazine, and I work for Livesockets which owns On the Scene, so don't sit here and tell me that i'm fake.

You got beef? Email it up @ QUOC@livesockets.com. see my name QUoc? yes, I TOOK THOSE PHOTOS

AllMotorKing
06-22-2003, 11:04 AM
Not hating you man, just saying, if someone is wrong, prove them wrong, but don't sit there and call them names. I take it you were right on this one and I didn't look closely at the motor and thought it was NA. Don't hate fellow drifters.

Transient
06-22-2003, 11:07 AM
Well, I didn't know it was YOU who took the pictures because you didn't make any indication of that or I missed it. That was never the issue, so there is no "beef". But this isnt a post about whether you took pictures of it or not. As far as you, the photographer was concerned, I was merely pointing out to some stranger on a message board that Koguchi's car was a turbo, not NA. So that settles that. Ok? Don't need to get bent out of shape sir

Transient
06-22-2003, 11:08 AM
I called people who pulled thier information off a misprint on a magazine a magazine racer. You used your eyes and you were wrong, but there was no name calling.

I wasn't the one who opened a post with Hey Faggot

Transient
06-22-2003, 11:10 AM
by the way, please dont jump the conclusion I was saying that you didnt take those pics. I can see in your sig who the picture is by, but alot of people use pictures in thier sigs that arent really thiers, so it's hard to say. I just posted a pic from Modified.com, although you wouldn't assume I'm from there would you?

Thats all

AllMotorKing
06-22-2003, 06:29 PM
Alright cool. my bad

nuclear_turtle
06-24-2003, 11:58 AM
yea im almost 15 and jobless and no very little about cars. I need help on this subject also. where i live no one here has an import all it is is fords and dodges. can you get me the specs of a nissan silvia S14? anyone?:D :D :D

eli809
06-28-2003, 03:06 AM
240hp on that model of sr20, they weigh 2800, and lets see they have 230lbs of torque correct me if i am wrong guys, but american model has 160 hp and 150lbs of torque, has a ka24de , best swap IMO is a ka24det 300hp but it will run u 3k easy, rb26dett if u have the cash haha, but ya

Silvia S14
07-19-2003, 07:07 PM
Haha.. Koguchi's car is non-turbo.. indeed!

J-BloodAE86
07-19-2003, 07:52 PM
lol, koguchi's 180sx comes stock with a Ca18DET, the "T" stands for turbo, meaning it comes stock with a turbo on a 1.8l engine, why would he UN-turbo the engine?! all you would get outta that is a engine with the displacement of a integra type-r engine, except ALOT heavier:D

Silvia S14
07-19-2003, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
lol, koguchi's 180sx comes stock with a Ca18DET, the "T" stands for turbo, meaning it comes stock with a turbo on a 1.8l engine, why would he UN-turbo the engine?! all you would get outta that is a engine with the displacement of a integra type-r engine, except ALOT heavier:D

Sighs...

CA18DET

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kane/sx-3.jpg

SR20DET

http://www.flashoptions.com/i_prod/PA010008.JPG

Koguchi = SR20DET

http://www.apartment107.com/assets/article/966/photos/DSC03178.jpg

7akumi X
07-19-2003, 09:02 PM
This has all been very imformative guys...thanks for laying down the facts. Was there really an USA manufactured 240sx? Whatcha guys talking about, that there was a 240sx manufactured in US before S14's...or was it S15's?

As for me guys I would like some advice. If I was looking for a S13 SR20DET, years 90-93 I belive you guys said, it would only be a JDM correct? Why are there US cars made same model with a smaller motor? Were these cars manufactured in US or manufactured in JP to come to US for sales? what up guys! help me! :rolleyes:

J-BloodAE86
07-19-2003, 09:40 PM
I meant comes stock, not has one now, the person first called it a Ca18 non turbo, i know it is a sr!

EvilEwok
07-19-2003, 09:54 PM
Alright, to lay the lines the american version was the 240, there never really was a 240 in japan, its always been Silvia, in the late 80s there were two 240sx models, the fast back, and the 2dr sedan. In japan, the fastback was known as the 180sx. As in the name it was powered by a 1.8l known as the ca18det. Now, the other model (2dr sedan) was the S13 Silvia. Which was powered by an early version of the sr20det. After that came the next model in the 240 in america, which were the S14 Kouki, and Zenki Silvias in japan. Up until 98 in america they produced these, and in japan it was 1.99 I think (right when they released the GT-R as well) they released the S15 silvia. Which was powered by the ultimate blacktop sr20det with a 6spd tranny. Koguchi's 180sx right now is an sr20det, if you dont believe me go pick up a July Issue of Sport Compact Car where they have the stats on both koguchis sr20det 180 and Mr. Yamaotos Toyota JZX100 Chaser which runs a 2jz :).

EvilEwok
07-19-2003, 10:02 PM
The reason that nissan didnt really put in the sr20det and just claim it the s13 for america is that we didnt have a real big notion about Nissans performance line over in japan. So they thought that they needed a new engine, slightly bigger than the sr20 to make up for the power. So the ka24de was created. Its basically an all american engine. And they had just released the new 300zx (fairlady z) into the states so they were thinking with a TT on the list they would have gotten more than enough recognition by that step.

J-BloodAE86
07-19-2003, 10:17 PM
i don't think the Ka24 waas made for the 240sx though, i think it was origionally a truck engine that they just kinda dumped in there

EvilEwok
07-19-2003, 10:19 PM
It was in the early Hardbodys, but it was a different 24, it wasnt the ka24de

J-BloodAE86
07-19-2003, 10:24 PM
ic ic

Silvia S14
07-19-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
I meant comes stock, not has one now, the person first called it a Ca18 non turbo, i know it is a sr!

It's always had an SR20, from the factory. They stopped putting CA18s into 180SX since 1990.

7akumi X
07-20-2003, 12:18 AM
This is the late 80's early blacktop version S13 coupe?

EvilEwok
07-20-2003, 12:22 AM
S13s never had a blacktop, they always had redtops.

7akumi X
07-20-2003, 12:28 AM
redtop :) is that a 90+ model or a late 80's model

EvilEwok
07-20-2003, 12:32 AM
Redtop was the S13 engine and some of the S14s, the zenki I think, the kouki were the start of the blacktops. Also the 90 180sx had a redtop

7akumi X
07-20-2003, 12:34 AM
*sighs* yes :) do you have AIM screen name Wok? you reply to my message in Drifting forum ?

Silvia S14
07-20-2003, 01:14 AM
Oh god.............

Simple Nissan chassis code:

M = KA24DE
P = SR20DE(T)
R = fastback
M/C = Minor Changes ie a face lift

USDM

S13 240SX SE- 1989-1990 - KA24E
RS13 240SX SE - 1989 - 1990 - KA24E

MS13 240SX SE - 1991-1993 - KA24DE
RMS13 240SX SE - 1991-1993 - KA24DE

MS13 240SX Convertible - 1994

S14 240SX 1995-1996 - KA24DE
S14 240SX M/C 1997-1998 - KA24DE

JDM

S13 Silvia K's 1988-1990 - CA18DET
RS13 180SX 1988-1990 - CA18DET

PS13 Sivia K's 1991-1993 - SR20DET (redtop)
RPS13 180SX 1991-1993 - SR20DET (redtop)

S14 Silvia K's 1994-1996.5 - SR20DET (slanted blacktop)
S14 Silvia K's M/C 1996.5-1998 - SR20DET (slanted blacktop)
RPS13 180SX 1994-1996.5 - SR20DET (blacktop)
RPS13 180SX 1995.5-1998 - SR20DET (blacktop)

S15 Silvia Spec-R 1999-2002 - SR20DET (slanted blacktop II)

7akumi X
07-20-2003, 04:54 AM
Where does the Silvia Q's fit into all of this? You didn't have to give a rundown again.. I fugure it out!

EvilEwok
07-20-2003, 10:17 AM
What message? my Aim name is EnTrancedNova but I get on yahoo or msn messanger more, my yahoo name is entranced_nova and my msn is entranced_nova@hotmail.com later

myk
07-20-2003, 07:21 PM
ahhh! gota love the confusing nissan talk!!! jk, it just wouldnt be right if i didnt get in on this convo!!!
-myk_

Silvia S14
07-21-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by myk
ahhh! gota love the confusing nissan talk!!! jk, it just wouldnt be right if i didnt get in on this convo!!!
-myk_

It's not confusing. Disregard everyone else and listen to me and Transient.. everyone else don't know jack *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*.

J-BloodAE86
07-21-2003, 09:47 PM
oh wow, you know the engine code to every model of the 240sx! you win a prize! Wanna cookie!!!!!!!! you WIN, you beat us all!!!!

Dori Star
07-21-2003, 09:56 PM
j blood, can i have a cookie? :D

J-BloodAE86
07-21-2003, 09:59 PM
yah sure, i made a whole batch!

J-BloodAE86
07-21-2003, 10:00 PM
i make good cookies too!:D

Dori Star
07-21-2003, 10:01 PM
with macamadamia nuts? aww crap, i cant spell it... hahah:D

Silvia S14
07-21-2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
oh wow, you know the engine code to every model of the 240sx! you win a prize! Wanna cookie!!!!!!!! you WIN, you beat us all!!!!

Yeah, I deserve a *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing cookie. Beating down ignorance makes me hungry.

Dori Star
07-21-2003, 10:19 PM
eazy peazy lemon squeezy.... chill, this is how people get hurt...

:( -stop tha internet violence...

Silvia S14
07-21-2003, 10:41 PM
Okay... wangan runna'

Dori Star
07-21-2003, 10:44 PM
hahah... finally someone noticed...:)

EvilEwok
07-21-2003, 10:58 PM
For one thing since "I don't know *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*" about nissans and I can't label every nissan engine code there is, even though i've done it twice and it was basically the same information that S14 put in I guess I deserve a cookie for at least trying. Can I have a chocolate chip cookie? please? So I can just get fatter?

EvilEwok
07-21-2003, 11:01 PM
I wish people wouldn't flame when they are posting a correction in someone elses work. I wish they would just say the problem and give it a rest, not be asses about who said what. But it can't be that easy when we still have assholes who think they have to be un realistic with every post that they do.

Dori Star
07-21-2003, 11:01 PM
haha... mmmm... fat cookie...

J-BloodAE86
07-22-2003, 08:13 AM
I wish people wouldn't flame when they are posting a correction in someone elses work. I wish they would just say the problem and give it a rest, not be asses about who said what. But it can't be that easy when we still have assholes who think they have to be un realistic with every post that they do.


Evil Ewok, I salute you, you get a cookie

EvilEwok
07-22-2003, 12:57 PM
thankies! -hands him a cinnamon roll-

Silvia S14
07-22-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
For one thing since "I don't know *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*" about nissans and I can't label every nissan engine code there is, even though i've done it twice and it was basically the same information that S14 put in I guess I deserve a cookie for at least trying. Can I have a chocolate chip cookie? please? So I can just get fatter?

Basically the same? *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* shut the *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* up, your *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* was *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing WRONG WRONG WRONG.

It's not just engine and chassis code, it's dates and engine specs. If you're not 100% sure that you're correct, don't open your month. Wrong info does nothing but cause trouble because some ignorant fool sees and assumes it's correct and goes on to "pass" it off and it spreads like SARS.

EvilEwok
07-22-2003, 02:30 PM
I really don't think he deserves to be on this forum, he isn't showing any type of being friendly, he's actually being a major *Censored**Censored**Censored* and a conceited *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* that isn't taking in the fact that all my information was the same as his when me and that other dude were posting.

To bad eh?

J-BloodAE86
07-22-2003, 04:12 PM
S14 is just a computer nerd that doesn't know how to deal with real people, just let him *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* and moan at how stupid we all are, and just ignore him. This is a drifting forum, not a brag-bout-your-almighty-knowledge-of-nissans forum, so we'll talk drifting and just let him be.

p.s., thanks for the cinnamon roll ewok

marshun
07-22-2003, 05:11 PM
lol. internet arguements. cmon now. take it easy :)

i heard, or read, from somewhere that the s13 chassis is stiffer than the s14's. well stock for stock anyway. but i would take a newer s14 than a s13.

EvilEwok
07-22-2003, 05:42 PM
They could be stiffer I guess, just from the thought of the S13 being a first examination of the silvia line. Nissan could have implemented a softer ride in the S14 thinking that the larger frame compared to the S13 would have to go along with different setups.

As for looks I like the S14 Kouki more than the Zenki (zenki = R33 headlight look, first series). But the 180sx just caters more to me. I like Fastbacks and hatchs instead of trunkys.

J-BloodAE86
07-22-2003, 05:49 PM
i like the S13 silvia headlights better than the pop ups generally, but i like fastbacks too, so the sileighty is my fave. It seems that the hatch would probably be better for drifting due to the tail sticking out less and also because of better visability

marshun
07-22-2003, 07:19 PM
i like hatchbacks too. i own two of'em :D.

but i believe that the s13 is stiffer because i have driven both of them with similiar setups. apex coil's and thats it :P. the s14 doesnt feel as cool drifting... but it looks nice. and the reason i'd take an s14 over a s13 is just because its newer and less likely to have rust. just take a look at allot of s13's, rust. not to say that i wouldnt take care of it. but i sure do hate doin the work on it :P.

J-BloodAE86
07-22-2003, 08:56 PM
where do you live marshun? rust doesn't seem to be a huge problem in so cal area, though you still have to look for it when buying a car

marshun
07-23-2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
where do you live marshun? rust doesn't seem to be a huge problem in so cal area, though you still have to look for it when buying a car

i live in hawaii. and i wanted a s13 before. but... i didnt find a nice cheap one without huge holes of rust on it :P. so i bought my $50 corolla from a tow yard.

J-BloodAE86
07-23-2003, 01:29 PM
nice, yah I can see how rust would be a big prob over there! Hella humid

Silvia S14
07-23-2003, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
Alright, to lay the lines the american version was the 240, there never really was a 240 in japan, its always been Silvia, in the late 80s there were two 240sx models, the fast back, and the 2dr sedan. In japan, the fastback was known as the 180sx. As in the name it was powered by a 1.8l known as the ca18det. Now, the other model (2dr sedan) was the S13 Silvia. Which was powered by an early version of the sr20det.

1:40AM CST

WTF is a 2dr Sedan? Sedan means it's a 4dr, idiot. the Zenki Silvia and 180SX (1988-1990) both had the CA18DE(T) and both the Silvia and 180SX got SR20DE(T) (redtops) from 1991 onward.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
Redtop was the S13 engine and some of the S14s, the zenki I think, the kouki were the start of the blacktops. Also the 90 180sx had a redtop

1:43AM CST

S14s all had the S14 variation of the blacktop with the VTC on the intake cam and a slant in the rear valve cover.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
it was basically the same information that S14 put in I guess I deserve a cookie for at least trying.

1:45AM CST

Same? I disagree... go back and look at your mistakes. The difference is like chocolate and *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
I really don't think he deserves to be on this forum, he isn't showing any type of being friendly, he's actually being a major *Censored**Censored**Censored* and a conceited *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* that isn't taking in the fact that all my information was the same as his when me and that other dude were posting.

To bad eh?

1:46AM CST

I could give 2 tug of a dead dog's *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* if you think I "deserve" to be here or not Jr. All your "information" is *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing bunk and if you think they are the same, go read that *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* again.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
They could be stiffer I guess, just from the thought of the S13 being a first examination of the silvia line. Nissan could have implemented a softer ride in the S14 thinking that the larger frame compared to the S13 would have to go along with different setups.

1:49AM CST

See? You don't know *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*. What does chassis stiffness have to do with ride quality? You can *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing weld a god damn cage in your car and significantly increase chassis rigidy and still have a softer ride. The S14 chassis is stiffer then the S13, this is fact, just as the S15 is stiffer then the S14.

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
It seems that the hatch would probably be better for drifting due to the tail sticking out less and also because of better visability

1:54AM CST

WTF? Tail sticking out less? Better Visibility? Dumb *Censored**Censored**Censored*, the coupe and fastback's wheel base is the same length, with the same underpinnings. As for visibility? WTF? I don't even understand what that has to do with anything. It's like you just made that up.

Silvia S14
07-24-2003, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
S14 is just a computer nerd that doesn't know how to deal with real people, just let him *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* and moan at how stupid we all are, and just ignore him. This is a drifting forum, not a brag-bout-your-almighty-knowledge-of-nissans forum, so we'll talk drifting and just let him be.

p.s., thanks for the cinnamon roll ewok

Your insults are so scathing.. I think I'm gonna go cry now.

I never said anything that wasn't true. If I called you stupid, then thats YOUR *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing fault. Don't want me to call you stupid? Then don't say stupid *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*! How SIMPLE is that?

This is a "drifting" forum.. too bad no one here really drifts. Kinda funny, I found this place because word of mouth among the drift community (not to be confused with the iDrift community) has spread around about the cretins that were breeding here.

J-BloodAE86
07-24-2003, 08:14 AM
get a girlfriend

and even though the wheelbase is the same, if you look at the two, the silvia's rear bumper extends more than the bumper on the fastback. Alot of the damage to drift cars is from hitting the wall when flicking out the rear, (for example 3/4 pros at drift showoff) so having less overhang is an advantage. And if you have ever drifted both the fastback and the coupe, (which you obviously haven't) the fastback has less blindspots due to smaller and more set foward rear pillars, giving (in my opinion) a better view and drivers and objects behind you.

EvilEwok
07-24-2003, 10:50 AM
You really do have to much time on your hands don't you?

J-BloodAE86
07-24-2003, 01:15 PM
what s14? No anger filled retorts?

marshun
07-24-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
nice, yah I can see how rust would be a big prob over there! Hella humid

hehe yes it is. lately is been incredibly humid. the late night sessions have been damn hot!

and yo s14... chill. its nice to see that you know all this stuff. but honestly it seems like youre a magazine racer. just relax. it seems like you really want to prove how good you are. if thats the case, post up a video clip of your drifts. but if you want to just prove how much you know about the 240 platform then i'll be first to say it. you know allot about'em. :D

J-BloodAE86
07-24-2003, 04:39 PM
/\
| thank you marshun!

ya i am going to hawaii in august, ima try and go to drift session if they have a event going the time i'm there. maybe someone will let me borrow a car:D . What island are you on?

TJ86
07-24-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
and even though the wheelbase is the same, if you look at the two, the silvia's rear bumper extends more than the bumper on the fastback. Alot of the damage to drift cars is from hitting the wall when flicking out the rear, (for example 3/4 pros at drift showoff) so having less overhang is an advantage. And if you have ever drifted both the fastback and the coupe, (which you obviously haven't) the fastback has less blindspots due to smaller and more set foward rear pillars, giving (in my opinion) a better view and drivers and objects behind you.

I disagree J-Blood.

The rear overhang on coupe and hatch should be the same. They share the same rear bumper, and same basic chassis. The door pillars should also be the same on both the hatch and the coupe since the two cars share the same doors.

For the sake of proving , I went and got a sideshot of a S13 Silvia coupe and a S13 180SX hatch and lined them up by the wheel hubs and door sills. You'll see that the rear overhangs for both cars are the same. The only difference would be the front overhang between a Silvia nose and a 180SX nose.

http://www.finaldrivemagazine.com/TJ/ghostdrive/coupevshatch.jpg

Data sheet on S13-15
http://www.nissansilvia.co.nz/tech/Silvia-180SX%20Table.htm

According to this website the length of a Silvia is 4470mm while a 180SX is 4520mm. The two have the same wheelbase of 2475mm Looking at the picture above, it's safe to say the extra length is in the nose. Another interesting note, is that the S14 is shorter in overall lenght than a 180SX while having a longer wheelbase. Doesn't that mean shorter overhangs? By your reasoning, wouldn't a S14 be a better drifter than an S13 180SX because of this?


If there is any gained visibility the hatch has, it is because the side glass in the back is bigger. I honestly don't know what advantage you would gain from better rear view visibility. It seems more like an advantage for parking rather than actual drifting. When drifting I never recall myself looking over my shoulder to see what's behind me during mid drift, even during tandem drifts. Whenever I do have someone drifting behind me, I'm trusting that he is skilled enough to make up for any of my mistakes. If I look over my shoulder, then that means I've probably messed up, and made myself a obstacle for the driver in back of me.

J-BloodAE86
07-24-2003, 11:21 PM
ic, i was just eyeballing the rear, i see that it is the same, but i still belive visiblitly is better in the hatch, i doesn't have any c pillars at all! I do use the rear view mirror when i practice drifting, to check my distance from objects behind me (walls, mountain sides), though i don't look during exhibitions because i focus more on my line and angle:D. i have never tandem drifted, but i assume i wouldn't use the rvm in that situation either. I didn't say i would buy a hatch over an onevia, i value the looks of the onevia more than the meager visibility gains, i didn't even say it would make much of a difference during drifting. The only thing i thought would make even the slightest difference during drifting was the overhang, which i guess is actually the same. I didn't ever say the 180sx would be better at drifting than a S14:confused:, i don't even belive it would be better at drifitng than silvia, because 95% of drifting is driver skill. Personally, i think the s13 is a better drift car than the S14 because i belive it has more driver feedback (the S14 felt soft when driving to me, even though it had a few suspension mods). I don't belive the miniscule difference between wheelbases and overhangs between the two would make much of a difference. all i said was it is an advantage, not that it denotes the drifting ablities of the entire car. If that was true, the Mini Cooper would be the best drift car ever. Your conclusions pulled form my posts are ubsurd (S14 better than a 180sx solely because of the overhang) and you could of simply pointed out my flaw by posting the numbers, instead of going to the whole trouble you went to to prove me wrong. It is that kind of elitist mentality that ruins the forum, and in the long run, the community. Everyone is learning here, drifting is new to the US.

grinder
07-25-2003, 12:01 AM
sorry to interrupt your spat, mates. but the 180sx c pillars, if i recall correctly, just a tad on the large side. similar to the b pillar.

it is just that the c pillars are hidden under glass that you do not notice them as much, i reckon.

but no worries, carry on!

TJ86
07-25-2003, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
If that was true, the Mini Cooper would be the best drift car ever. Your conclusions pulled form my posts are ubsurd (S14 better than a 180sx solely because of the overhang) and you could of simply pointed out my flaw by posting the numbers, instead of going to the whole trouble you went to to prove me wrong. It is that kind of elitist mentality that ruins the forum, and in the long run, the community. Everyone is learning here, drifting is new to the US.

Actually, that was the point I was trying to make. While looking at the chart I noticed that the S14 had shorter overhangs, and from your previous post wouldn't this equal an advantage? So I used it as an example. It was purposely absurd. So absurd that you would read it, think "hey, that doesn't make any sense", and hopefully undersand my point better. You probably worded it better since you included a comparison of the Mini Cooper and went in such an extreme that the "overhang advantage" couldn't be taken seriously.

Wouldn't you agree that those advantages are so minimal that only a professional D1 driver would probably notice the difference? I've owned a hatch and coupe Corolla, and have drifted a hatch and coupe 240SX, and honestly... I really can't tell the difference (other than hatches have hatch rattle). To me, the hatch vs. coupe issue just boils down to looks. I'll take whatever I can get with a Corolla (I like hatches, but my coupe grew on me), but for newer S13's where I can afford to be picky, I like coupes more.

I do think you are jumping to conclusions by calling me an elitist. If you thought my post carried a negative tone in anyway, then I apologize, but I was simply disagreeing with you. If you met me in person you would realize I am a humble person (although I do sarcastically "play arrogant" for humor's sake) and regularly staff as a stand by instructor for the beginners at Club4AG Drift Days. I'm willing to help the newbies out with basic drift technique as well as take tips from those with more experience than me (and even learn from those with less).

J-BloodAE86
07-25-2003, 08:33 AM
in regards to grinder's comment, the 180sx has no real c pillars at all, if you look at the pic, what is the c pillar on most cars is actually combined with the b pillar. If you look at the two, they both have the same a pillar (where the windshield meets the side glass), they both have the same b pillar (where the door meets the body), and after that only the silvia has a c pillar, the 180sx's final pillar is the b pillar, though it is thicker than the silvia's. Thanks for the input tho mate:p

and as to TJ's post, i never said the overhangs made a huge difference, or even a big difference, it barely makes any difference at all, i was just saying that when the cars are pretty much exactly the same (like the 180 and silvia) the deciding tie-breaker might be overhang, though it wouldn't be for me (even if the 180 had 3 cm of overhang, id take the silvia). Yes maybe i read to much into your post to feel a negative tone, but you have to realize, i just spent the last few posts "discussing" things with S14silvia, so you can see how people going to great lengths just to prove me wrong pisses me off. I also respect that you help out with the drift days, i think they are a great help to drifting community, giving us a place to play:D

Transient
07-25-2003, 04:42 PM
Hey J-Blood. Have you ever sat in a S13 fastback?

Transient
07-25-2003, 08:04 PM
OMFG! C-Pillar!

Transient
07-25-2003, 08:05 PM
This is the view that all drifters see while drifting...Right.

J-BloodAE86
07-25-2003, 08:37 PM
lol, i have sat in a fastback, but i guess i didn't take a gander backwards. The only silvias i've actually driven drift were a onevia and a kouki s14. The onevia had so-so rearward visibilty, and i just assumed the hatch had better due to no c pillars, which, i guess was pretty fuggen incorrect. lol, my bad:D

Silvia S14
07-30-2003, 03:18 AM
You're backpeddling like a hooligan.. That's a sure sign of OWNAGE.

boro240
07-30-2003, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Silvia S14
blah blah blah....If you're not 100% sure that you're correct, don't open your month....blah blah blah..
Originally posted by Silvia S14
S13 240SX SE- 1989-1990 - KA24E
RS13 240SX SE - 1989 - 1990 - KA24E
89-90 were HS13 and RHS13. also, you left out K-, which designated Super HICAS.

OHHHH!!! WHOS THE MAN NOW *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*!!!

lol, seriously. calm down and stop taking everything soo seriously. youre not the drift/nissan/240 god (obviously). this thread is FULL of missinformation and stupidity, but instead of getting mad at people, point them in the right direction. lashing out doesnt make you a cool guy, it makes you a *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* who thinks hes the man (from behind a computer screen).

Transient
07-31-2003, 12:05 AM
If you know stuff, good. Let people know. If you don't know what you're talking about, there's nothing wrong with that. It's when people that don't know anything act like they do that I get pissed.

Chas
12-10-2003, 12:06 AM
good info

gundamzeta
12-10-2003, 02:55 PM
i'm just scanning through this thread, and I couldn't bare to read through it all, but it seems like most of you guys don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Especailly this J-bloodae86 guy who nearly blasted me in another thread because I posted correct information.


ALL OF KOGUCHI'S cars were turbo, and not a single one of them ever had a Ca18DET. The 180sx blacktop ( the engine it had until it was discontinued in 1998 (i think) had the same head design as a S13 red-top; it just has a black valve cover.

there are differences in the head design between the S13,S14 and S15 engines.

The s14 and S15 have nissan varible valve timing, but it's no where as sophisticated as VTEC or VVT-i. They also have different stock turbines



I had an CA18det, and the engine, IMHO,is superior to the SR20DET and I suspect the lower tech SR20DET was introduced because of cost, and Nissan just added the .2 lt to make up for the difference.




to answer the intial poster's question.

If you plan on modded these very old cars, I wouldn't worry about one thing. Just get a hard top. If you plan on buying an S13, Look for rust underneath the spoiler. I hear that a lot of people have had a problem with that.

I garauntee that the shocks, bushings and nearly all the suspension assembly will be wasted on any used S13 unless you're buying a car from a 240sx fanatic.

Also, if you're buying the car for drifting, you absolutely MUST upgrade the suspension! Everything must eventually upgraded! Not just Tien HE struts! So, don't even worry about the suspension's current condition. Just replace whatever you can and fairly promptly. Bodyroll makes drifting very scary and uncomfortable, atleast for me.

Generally just approach the car the way would for any used car!

eFINI_FC
12-10-2003, 03:37 PM
Wouldnt it be nice to have actual D-1 racers in here? just so stuff could really be cleared up?
I'm not into Nissans, but if I was, and tried to get info offa here, I'd bo so F'ing confused. EVERYONE SAYS THIER RIGHT!! with just text, its hard to belive anyone!


If people could actually communicate, you might find out that you were wrong, or maybe right. Quit bickerin', all of us are drifters (hopefully) and should be setting ourselves apart from this sh it, leave that sh it at home, dayum!

Spec
12-10-2003, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by eFINI_FC
[B]Wouldnt it be nice to have actual D-1 racers in here? just so stuff could really be cleared up?
I'm not into Nissans, but if I was, and tried to get info offa here, I'd bo so F'ing confused. EVERYONE SAYS THIER RIGHT!! with just text, its hard to belive anyone!

True man, I fully agree! Why dont you people post links on your info like I do. :D That's why flamming never happens in my threads. Facts proven by links cant be refuted.


all of us are drifters (hopefully)

ROTFLMAO!!! Man, I think this site is the most noobish drift place I've seen so far on the net. Put aside some exceptions, noobs rule the place and exchange all kinds of false info. That's why I dont post so much as I use to. I dont even want to try and convice a noob that he IS a noob and that maybe, JUST MAYBE it is possible that some people might know more about cars and drifting then him.

Posters are such noobs here that they cant even keep it civilized. They HAVE to be right no matter what and cant be taught stuff.
On the old forum, I had a discussion about superchargers with crazyHawain and some other posters. They all thought I was wrong until I just posted a link to show what I was talking about. But you see, never the thread became a flame fest (although I did become irritated at some point, without throwing any insults of course) and all we did was exchange info on what and what not and it finished nicely.

The only posters I take seriously here (Not to offend anyothers that I dont know) are Crazy Hawain, DriftXtreem and Chas. The're the only ones that dont try to piss farther than anyone and know their sh*t for real. And if they dont, they wont mind admitting they were wrong.

That's how I like it.

But with noobs that think they know every god damn thing, it is very hard to have constructive conversations. It's all about: Hey, I'm a sheep, tell me what car I should buy!" or whatever.

Sadening.

Spec.

'97 S14 SE Turb
12-10-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
S13s never had a blacktop, they always had redtops.

You are simply sooo wrong... technically, and even figuratively.


S13, when using the chassis code, means it's the '88-'90 Coupe chassis with the CA18DE/T engine

PS13 means it's the '91-'93 Coupe chassis with the SR20DE/T engine. The turbo version has the red valve cover, hence, red top.

RS13, is the '89-'90 Fastback chassis with the CA18DET engine. The 180SX came only turbocharged.

RPS13 is the '91-'98 fastback chassis. From '91-'94, the SR20DET uses the red valvecover, hence redtop. From '95-'98, it has the black valve cover. It's not the same configuration as the Black valve cover SR20DET found in the S14 and S15 Silvia. It's simply an updated version of the redtop SR20DET. Only rated at 205ps.

'97 S14 SE Turb
12-10-2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
Redtop was the S13 engine and some of the S14s, the zenki I think, the kouki were the start of the blacktops. Also the 90 180sx had a redtop

So wrong again:

S14 chassis's SR20DET all have the black valve cover. The rear of the cover is sloped down.

The '90 180SX still has the CA18DET.

'97 S14 SE Turb
12-10-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
Alright, to lay the lines the american version was the 240, there never really was a 240 in japan, its always been Silvia, in the late 80s there were two 240sx models, the fast back, and the 2dr sedan. In japan, the fastback was known as the 180sx. As in the name it was powered by a 1.8l known as the ca18det. Now, the other model (2dr sedan) was the S13 Silvia. Which was powered by an early version of the sr20det. After that came the next model in the 240 in america, which were the S14 Kouki, and Zenki Silvias in japan. Up until 98 in america they produced these, and in japan it was 1.99 I think (right when they released the GT-R as well) they released the S15 silvia. Which was powered by the ultimate blacktop sr20det with a 6spd tranny. Koguchi's 180sx right now is an sr20det, if you dont believe me go pick up a July Issue of Sport Compact Car where they have the stats on both koguchis sr20det 180 and Mr. Yamaotos Toyota JZX100 Chaser which runs a 2jz :).

Koguchi has like 8 180SXs... if you really know what he has... The one that's here has always been SR20DET since it's a RPS13.

As for the Skyline GT-R. You really don't know your nissans. The OG GT-R was in the '60s.

The BNR32 GT-R was in 1990. The BCNR33 GT-R was in 1995. The BNR34 GT-R was in 1999. You made it sound like the R34 generation was the only GT-R.

'97 S14 SE Turb
12-10-2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by EvilEwok
They could be stiffer I guess, just from the thought of the S13 being a first examination of the silvia line. Nissan could have implemented a softer ride in the S14 thinking that the larger frame compared to the S13 would have to go along with different setups.

As for looks I like the S14 Kouki more than the Zenki (zenki = R33 headlight look, first series). But the 180sx just caters more to me. I like Fastbacks and hatchs instead of trunkys.


Nope, the S14's chassis is definetly stiffer than the S13's chassis. The S15's chassis is the stiffest of them all.

You are mistaking softer suspension tuning on the S14 to be softer chassis... Wrong. Newbie mistake.

gundamzeta
12-10-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turb
Nope, the S14's chassis is definetly stiffer than the S13's chassis. The S15's chassis is the stiffest of them all.

You are mistaking softer suspension tuning on the S14 to be softer chassis... Wrong. Newbie mistake.

the Stock S14 pulls more G's on the skidpad than an S13.


the S14 was supposed to be aimed towards an older crowd while the 180sx, which was still in production, was for the japanese youth. This explains it's softer suspension, asthetics and overall design.

nissanguy_24
05-18-2004, 09:44 AM
Very old thread with some mixed up and some good info. So im locking it.