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07-12-2009, 11:51 PM
(FEEDBACK) FORMULA D Las Vegas 2009

Please post your feedback on this thread
Also, remember the next Formula Drift event will take place in less than 1 month.

YOitzJDM
07-13-2009, 12:13 AM
NO MORE TIMES!!!

we need to go back to the "only 1 OMT" rule. It was there for a reason... it worked! The event dragged on too long :(

the driving was amazing, the heat sucked, but I can't wait for the next event! BEST VEGAS EVARRRRRRRRRRRR

AlexPfeiffer
07-13-2009, 04:27 AM
It was hot!!!

gigglesnirt
07-13-2009, 11:39 AM
It was about after the bunny hop I think, but damn it took forever to get cars on track. Before that the action was good and they were running back to back almost without a pause but then in around the top 4 rounds it slowed down a lot.

That feint-style entry was amazing though, it would be nice if drivers who were not doing and just ebraking in were marked down in judging points.

Bebop
07-13-2009, 12:03 PM
Well my post about last years (http://www.drifting.com/forums/general-chat-drifting-discussion-news-and-site-updates/25261-feedback-formula-d-las-vegas.html#post213316)pretty much sums this on up as well. But a few notes must be said.

What happened to the monitor? No instant replays, no scores.... even though it gets pretty blurry at that track, we really need it. Maybe the course needs two monitors.

-Judging
Seriously judges, you guys need to become more nitpicky in tandem. No need to call one more time because you want a defenitive winner(until one driver spins or just tottaly looses it). If driver A spins on one run and driver B corrects on the second...DRIVER B WINS!!!! Spins and crashes are nothing compared to understeering and corrections.

With that being said, I'm a DA fan and I feel that Ryan screwed Ueo.
That battle shouldn't have gone to OMT. Ryan hit Ueo causing himself to hop in the air and Ueo to loose drift. 0 POINTS!! Second run Ueo has just a bit of correction....OMT!!??!!?? This time Ueo was correcting bad..... on his chase run but everything was even on his lead one.... Ueo shoulda lost but we have OMT!!!! Maybe the judges want to see another "bunny hop".

Ueos lead lap was about even, if not Ryan had a little lead. Second run, coming out the sweeper towards the inner clip.... Ryan straitens out (wheels and everything) and reinitiates right in front of the judges stand and Ueo taps him just a little bit and Ryan walks off like he was planning on doing that. Didn't run the rest of the course, didn't stop to check out the damage and let everyone know hes ok... but just rolled off.

When the video comes out, notice Ryans angle, his wheels, and his smoke.... he was not drifting when he was hit. Ueo/Drift Speed got screwed.

/rant

But yea, Judges step up your game... be more decisive. Make a decision, explain your decision... keep the show rolling.

-The Course
Why was it changed? Why was there even a sweeper? The small turn towards the end of the night everyone was bypassing.Why not just have a straight manly entry? Or why not push the starting like back another 10 meters and make them initiate alot earlier into the first little chicane (or what ever that little baby turn was). Again, things that make almost no sense in regards of change.

You guys went by the schedual, and the schedual was good. And the track staff had a much better attitude this year!!!! A+ for that!!!

Will be there next year no matter what.

I give this event a A-!!

Slapshotnerd
07-13-2009, 02:00 PM
Overall, it was a good event. The heat was rough, but we got through it.

I would have liked to have seen some better shooting locations for media, and also a bit more lighting (maybe 1 big set of lights in the middle of the sweeper?). I do want to thank Jim as he was able to make one of the shooting locations substantially bigger and much closer to the action after practice on Thursday. But shooting after the sun went down was pretty tough...

Top 16 on really dragged... lots of downtime, a few too many one-more-time runs. But the tandem runs were really exciting!

I agree with Yo, we need to go back to the only 1 OMT rule. Maybe have a rule that if they are tied after 4 runs, the higher-qualified driver moves on (since that will place even more emphasis on qualifying). Or something similar.... I just want to see a decision made in a reasonable amount of time, and move on. When you already have to sit thru 64 tandem runs (16 top 32s + 8 top 16's + 4 top 8's + 2 top 4 + consolation + final x 2 runs per battle), it's tough enough. I think we might have hit 100 runs with all the one-more-times.

People get bored with Nascar because it's the same thing over and over again for 4 hours straight. Top 16 starts to feel that way... It took nearly 3 hours to finish top 16, plus another 2 hours for top 32. I was tandem'd out!

AmericanDrifter
07-13-2009, 04:43 PM
What did you guys think of the track layout this year vs. last year?

Alex?

AlexPfeiffer
07-13-2009, 07:20 PM
I liked this layout alot better. Even from the crowd aspect you could see more of what was going on. The only thing was the yellow lines on the ground were hard to see.

white2.4
07-13-2009, 09:03 PM
The OMTs were killing everyone in the crowd. It was so hot. Nice most of the action was at night. Ueo/red Driftspeed car got screwed hard. Way hard. I was rooting for Ryan the whole time but even if ueo braked during the initiation the chase car should allow enough room to copy or better the lead cars line or maneuvers, wrong?

AmericanDrifter
07-13-2009, 10:42 PM
Alex, it was really good to see you out there again. Man, that thing was a beast!

Great job.

gigglesnirt
07-13-2009, 11:57 PM
Also I just reminded myself of something, what the hell is going to be done when people are pouring out too much smoke? In this event both Tanner and Tyler were making a lot of smoke, so much that at least a few times the chase driver had to back off or completely missed the apex of a turn. Somehow I can see this being a huge problem in the future when a lot more people are making smoke like that from their big nascar engines. Just wondering what could be done about it if anything, I would much rather see people battling than smoke screened out of the match because they can't see anything, it sort of sucks.

AmericanDrifter
07-14-2009, 12:14 AM
^ Good point.

Solution?

Bebop
07-14-2009, 12:28 AM
Also I just reminded myself of something, what the hell is going to be done when people are pouring out too much smoke? In this event both Tanner and Tyler were making a lot of smoke, so much that at least a few times the chase driver had to back off or completely missed the apex of a turn. Somehow I can see this being a huge problem in the future when a lot more people are making smoke like that from their big nascar engines. Just wondering what could be done about it if anything, I would much rather see people battling than smoke screened out of the match because they can't see anything, it sort of sucks.

Smoke vision goggles, that's the only thing I can say.

Limiting smoke is like limiting angle... just not in the drift constitution

gigglesnirt
07-14-2009, 12:40 AM
Limiting smoke is like limiting angle... just not in the drift constitution

I realize that, it would almost seem wrong to outlaw a lot of smoke, but I see it getting really bad soon. Even the matches I saw where the driver had to back off were disappointing because of that.

Bebop
07-14-2009, 12:44 AM
I realize that, it would almost seem wrong to outlaw a lot of smoke, but I see it getting really bad soon. Even the matches I saw where the driver had to back off were disappointing because of that.

I think its going to come down how the drivers run there lines... either side to side action.... or we might see more drivers going in for the tighter pass line.

it will all pan out soon

courantcom
07-14-2009, 09:24 AM
...what about limiting overall wheel horsepower to say, 600? What about not allowing V8's unless the car they are using came with them in factory trim?

captainNEO
07-14-2009, 10:01 AM
...what about limiting overall wheel horsepower to say, 600? What about not allowing V8's unless the car they are using came with them in factory trim?

word. we were discussing the same thing at the track. along the same lines of D1SL.
Full FD being the guys with Nascar powered Scions, factory backed whatevers, v-8 swapped z33's, etc.
"Street Legal" being cars a little more tame. Cars have the same engines that came in them, not so much sponsorship dollars, etc. Some teams have waaay too much money in their cars. How are the "little" guys supposed to compete with high dollar campaigns?

Jonnie Fraz
07-14-2009, 10:05 AM
Well here is my little take.

I thought it was awesome! I like the new track layout. Way easier to spectate, and I talked to a couple drivers last year saying that last years track was just plain scary.
Ueo got screwed...kinda tough to explain to some people who are new to drifting why Ryan did not zero on the first run.
Falken screwed themselfes by not letting Calvin run, but hopfully they learned that lesson.
I felt all the drivers brought there A game. Essa was awesome! Powers held his own vrs one of the best. Miki back on the podium. All and all an amazing weekend I would pay full price to watch it again.
One note to FD...Butt cusions I am telling you they will sell.

J-Rod
07-14-2009, 03:01 PM
Thanks to ANY and all parties and partiers involved!!!!!

This was yet ANOTHER succesful event for Formula Drift...
:D:cool::)
Good job to all drivers, teams, crews, mechanics, FD staff, volunteers and especially the fans for enduring yes the insane heat but overall it was actually somewhat pleasant for a Vegas afternoon to evening...

I loved the new track layout fast and technical towards the end, yes the smoke from Tanner officially being called the "smoke factory" and Tyle "macho" McQuarrie was ridiculous but it is what it is...

Congrats to Foust, Miki and Forsberg...

But most importantly I repeat this with all sincerity thank you to ALL the fans physically present, those across the globe following via twitter, blogs, websites or any means necessary you keep Formula Drift going...

See ya'll in Seattle, Sonoma and of course Irwindale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for the next event, they just keep getting better!

SEATTLE, btw your crown of BEST CROWD ever was taken away with brute excitement by the ATLANTA fans!
Will Seattle/Evergreen take the crown back as BEST CROWD EVER?????

110octane
07-14-2009, 05:37 PM
Falken screwed themselfes by not letting Calvin run, but hopfully they learned that lesson.

So what you're saying is that Falken shouldn't have let Darren McNamara, who was the championship points leader at the time of this decision, use Calvin Wan's car because his was experiencing engine issues. May I remind you that Calvin was not in the championship points race at the time. Calvin allowing Darren to attempt to qualify in his machine is about the classiest thing I have seen an FD driver do in my 6 years. Unfortunately, Darren wasn't able to make it despite a valiant effort.

So, please tell me how Falken "hopefully learned that lesson."? I am pretty sure if the situation arose again, they and their drivers would make the same decision.

Slapshotnerd
07-14-2009, 05:56 PM
So what you're saying is that Falken shouldn't have let Darren McNamara, who was the championship points leader at the time of this decision, use Calvin Wan's car because his was experiencing engine issues. May I remind you that Calvin was not in the championship points race at the time. Calvin allowing Darren to attempt to qualify in his machine is about the classiest thing I have seen an FD driver do in my 6 years. Unfortunately, Darren wasn't able to make it despite a valiant effort.

So, please tell me how Falken "hopefully learned that lesson."? I am pretty sure if the situation arose again, they and their drivers would make the same decision.

I JR drove a slew of cars in '05, including Ben Schwartz's S14 at a few events, so it's not the first time it's happened for the Falken team, but your point is definitely well taken.

If I was a team manager, and I was in Falken's shoes, I would have made the same call. I saw Calvin walking around in the pits, and he looked pretty dejected that he didn't get to drive, but giving up personal glory for the good of the team is usually noted with the up-and-ups, and rewarded down the line. It's just in Calvin's demeanor though to give up his shot at impressing his bosses to try and help Falken win their first team championship. I don't think many teammates would do what Calvin did, and he deserves much respect for the decision!

oneqkz
07-14-2009, 06:27 PM
I had a BLAST! Thank you so much

Bebop
07-14-2009, 09:29 PM
The thing I don't understand, is with Tyler, D-mac and Dai running almost the same motor.... why didn't they have a spare or have any spare parts to get his car running?

I passed by the falken pits a few times during friday and not once did i see anyone at all working on Dmacs car. Im not a team member but it just seemed kinda odd that they couldn't get the thing running in the first place... just another team falken weekend I guess.

But the same thing goes out to RMR... he looked so good in practice... I know it couldn't be just tire pressure when the track switched to cold...

Whats up RMR?

Very sad weekend for alot of the top dogs, JR Dmac, and Rhys

Jonnie Fraz
07-14-2009, 10:51 PM
So what you're saying is that Falken shouldn't have let Darren McNamara, who was the championship points leader at the time of this decision, use Calvin Wan's car because his was experiencing engine issues. May I remind you that Calvin was not in the championship points race at the time. Calvin allowing Darren to attempt to qualify in his machine is about the classiest thing I have seen an FD driver do in my 6 years. Unfortunately, Darren wasn't able to make it despite a valiant effort.

So, please tell me how Falken "hopefully learned that lesson."? I am pretty sure if the situation arose again, they and their drivers would make the same decision.

I do give it up for Calvin giving up his seat so D Mac could hopefully get some points. Taking one for the team can not hurt Calvin. I do realize that Calvin was not in the points race, but I think he had a better chance at making the top 32 in his car vrs D Mac whos car is so different. Dont get me wrong D Mac could probilly drift a dump truck, but qualify that is different.
Falkin went all in and lost. That is what I am saying.

courantcom
07-15-2009, 12:05 AM
word. we were discussing the same thing at the track. along the same lines of D1SL.
Full FD being the guys with Nascar powered Scions, factory backed whatevers, v-8 swapped z33's, etc.
"Street Legal" being cars a little more tame. Cars have the same engines that came in them, not so much sponsorship dollars, etc. Some teams have waaay too much money in their cars. How are the "little" guys supposed to compete with high dollar campaigns?

I don't see anything too wrong with the engine swaps in the field right now. I do think that they add a positive variety to what people will enjoy to see with their paid admissions. I mean, I'm sure some people come to this year's events just to see what a Nascar engine would look like in a Scion TC. I'm just more about having LESS tire smoke due to really high HP levels that can yield to a very unpredictable situation. Limiting horsepower, to me, is the easiest solution. Any other solution will have to make way for methods and rules to determine actual "visibility" on the track.

Now about your other "topic". I'm more along the lines of new and upcoming people being able to build competitive cars to be able to participate in Formula D in the future. I'm not saying that every entry into Formula D has to be "street legal". I'm more into showing how the cars are built so that people can decide if they want to build it or not. (...kinda like Speed World Challenge VTS Sheets)

Say someone wants to build a car like Tommy Suell's entry. RWD Corolla with an SR20 drivetrain (engine/trans) in it. What does it take to do that? What kind of parts...from what car? What kind of mods, etc?

Want something slightly more "exotic"? What about Brian Bridges' car (Takatori's ride). That has a VQ engine/trans in a S13 ...what does it take to do that?

...okay, now for the BIG mod cars. RWD Scions. ;-) I think you get the picture. If there was a way to show how to build these things, maybe people will actually go and buy a Scion TC and just make it RWD. RWD cars have advantages in other realms aside from drifting...

110octane
07-15-2009, 12:10 PM
The thing I don't understand, is with Tyler, D-mac and Dai running almost the same motor.... why didn't they have a spare or have any spare parts to get his car running?

The only similarity between the V8 in Dai's car and the ones in Darren's and Tyler's is the cylinder count.

From my understanding the only fix to DMacs engine issue was a spare engine. No amount of spare parts was gonna fix the car unless they included new internals and a machine shop. My guess is they didn't have another engine other than what was in Tylers car and being used.

I feel Falken made the right decisions considering all of the details.

Bebop
07-15-2009, 02:14 PM
Well the way i see it that is 2 cars with the same motor... that should be 2 spare motors...

why didn't they have a spare and if it did why didn't it get swapped.

I feel Falken made the right decisions considering all of the details.

With better prep they could have did alot more, even smaller teams have spare motors and trannys.