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courantcom
08-13-2009, 07:22 PM
...found this on WreckedMagazine.com

"The buzz around the pits Saturday night after the event is going to get some people really fired up we think. Judging that the other post about this topic ďTanner Foustís Scion tC Protested at Formula D SeattleĒ has turned into a storm on our site we can imagine this one will get people going just as much.

After the event was over and people were packing up for home the rumor around the pits was that Tanner Foustís Scion was said to be out of the clear but Formula D is still in an ongoing investigation with the car and it appears he will be docked points/fined (some sort of punishment for rule violation) regardless of Randyís statement to us that the car is a closed case.

While the Toyota Supra MKIV sub frame is a blatant rule violation it is unclear how they received permission to do this in the off season or if they did receive proper permission at all. The car has gone through tech at some points this year and we arenít really sure why the car was not flagged or stopped then but it looks like we will just have to sit around and see what happens.

Any docking of points will not affect Tanner Foustís inability to win a third championship this year since he is already to far back in the points to make a realistic run for the championship in 2009. The other word around the pits is that most teams with the exception of fellow Scion and Hankook drivers are supporting the petition againt Tanner Foust and his Scion tC. We will keep an eye to see if anything breaks in this story before Sonoma in ten days."


Hmm...I wonder how this never showed up on this site ever. ;-)

Cavi Mike
08-14-2009, 02:26 AM
I always thought it was stupid that a Scion could drift. If the car isn't sold in AWD/4WD format here, it shouldn't be allowed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for diversity but this is pushing it. I'm really surprised (and thankful) there aren't any Civics on the track. Honestly, I even get tired of seeing Evos and Imprezas drifting. Very few people actually defeat their AWD system so what's the point?

ReDc0aT
08-14-2009, 12:04 PM
I don't care. And neither does FD.

Just let cool cars that are going to attract new fans to drifting and FD run.

YOitzJDM
08-14-2009, 12:34 PM
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Long Live Drift Alliance!!

Cavi Mike
08-14-2009, 02:54 PM
I don't care. And neither does FD.

Just let cool cars that are going to attract new fans to drifting and FD run.

You must be a nascar fan.

Bebop
08-14-2009, 05:19 PM
I don't care. And neither does FD.

Just let cool cars that are going to attract new fans to drifting and FD run.

Its all fun and gravy until they start getting on the podium...

lets all build tube chassis sideways machines and throw honda civic shells over them.

driftforfun
08-14-2009, 06:31 PM
You know what its all about guys!
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courantcom
08-14-2009, 06:46 PM
I always thought it was stupid that a Scion could drift. If the car isn't sold in AWD/4WD format here, it shouldn't be allowed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for diversity but this is pushing it. I'm really surprised (and thankful) there aren't any Civics on the track. Honestly, I even get tired of seeing Evos and Imprezas drifting. Very few people actually defeat their AWD system so what's the point?

Agreed. I think that any car that's competing in such a series has to start off as a RWD or AWD car. Someone was able to convince Scion that they could help sell TC's if their cars were at Formula D. They must have been along the lines of how a "Camry" showed up on the NASCAR circuit.

vvtisupra
08-15-2009, 06:04 PM
you know what BMW did when they wanted to put a V8 into the M3 for competition. They did a short production run on the M3 GTR with the M5 motor.

Cavi Mike
08-16-2009, 11:25 AM
A lot of manufacturers do that and just about any petrol head can do an engine swap. Making a car rwd that was originally fwd? Yeah, totally the same...

vvtisupra
08-16-2009, 11:59 AM
actually I was getting more at the idea.

courantcom
08-17-2009, 10:07 PM
you know what BMW did when they wanted to put a V8 into the M3 for competition. They did a short production run on the M3 GTR with the M5 motor.

Fine. Then let's agree to THAT rule. The thing about "racing" now is that there really isn't anything "new" to it. Things like this have been under review BEFORE from different sanctioning bodies. Why can't we just "learn" from others and apply them to what we have currently.

Possibly, the answer to this is that drifting just doesn't have a wide enough audience, yet. If Toyota wanted to make a short production run of something, then they can...provided that the juice is going to be worth the squeeze. If ANY manufacturer out there actually packaged a "Formula D Special Edition", I'm certain it will quickly enlarge the drifting audience. Any takers? From what I've seen, only Ford seems to be willing to at least listen to such an idea. GM made a "Transformer Package" for the currently available Camaro. Anyone else care to recall special packages that were or are available on certain cars?

So...what's the deal with the Scion?

Bebop
08-17-2009, 11:39 PM
If ANY manufacturer out there actually packaged a "Formula D Special Edition", I'm certain it will quickly enlarge the drifting audience.



amen to that

Cavi Mike
08-18-2009, 02:22 AM
LOL @ FD Edition car. Well at least it would have the proper wheels driven unlike NASCAR edition Intrepids.

courantcom
08-18-2009, 09:04 AM
LOL @ FD Edition car. Well at least it would have the proper wheels driven unlike NASCAR edition Intrepids.

It could just be basic stuff...like an FD badge, wheels, and a special color. Theres a color available on the 2010 Mustang that really reminds me of JR's car. Special Edition cars usually get a variety of posters, brochures, commercials, placement at Auto Shows, etc...

courantcom
08-18-2009, 09:08 AM
...so back to the subject, sorta. If Toyota made a RWD Scion, would people buy it?

rtype16
08-18-2009, 09:53 AM
I think people are blowing this out of proportion here on the rear subframe. FD was around for the build of the car. They knew what was in the car and has known all year. Kinda funny how this now comes up after a win.

Funny thing is okay get rid of the rear subframe in the car. Okay fine quick change rear end gets fabbed into car. Now if I was competing against him I would rather them not have a quick change.

courantcom
08-20-2009, 03:51 AM
I think people are blowing this out of proportion here on the rear subframe. FD was around for the build of the car. They knew what was in the car and has known all year. Kinda funny how this now comes up after a win.

Funny thing is okay get rid of the rear subframe in the car. Okay fine quick change rear end gets fabbed into car. Now if I was competing against him I would rather them not have a quick change.

Competitors only get scared when your entry has a chance to knock them out of competition. It's normal and expected behavior. It's up to the sanctioning body to lay down the law. You mentioned that FD was around for the build of the car. I believe that to be true. Therefore, everything on that car should be absolutely LEGAL. End of story, right?

rtype16
08-20-2009, 09:33 AM
The car should be legal, but of course things can change. They were involved in the whole build of the car. They looked at specific things and were asked about everything along the way. Sometimes they would come down, sometimes they would ask for pictures of things in question. Not sure why this is now a problem. Of course people get scared when cars start to do better in the series, but with two events left to go. Its going to take a lot for tanner to get top three, but hey anything can happen.

And back to the other subject. Yes I do think people will buy a rear wheel drive scion. One its kinda still a Toyota no one really makes an affordable rear wheel drive car someone would like to be seen in. Sorry Miata guys. The Genesis although a Hyundai is getting some good play for being a decent affordable rear wheel drive car.

AE86_Fan
08-20-2009, 10:49 AM
wonders why Formula D hasnt jumped on here and cleared everything up ? Jim / Ryan your thoughts ??????

rtype16
08-20-2009, 01:28 PM
Because they are probably up in Sonoma already for the event.

Jonnie Fraz
08-21-2009, 11:32 AM
Well I have a couple of little tidbits to add to this little discussion.
One.. If a rule is in play it should apply to all the teams and drivers no matter who you are. Last year FD slammed Takatori pretty bad on the Auto Bacs R34, but there were cars that were allowed to run with more modification than his.
Two..Even if FD was informed about the build of Tanners car, they may not have seen the violation. In other forms of motorsports somtimes tech takes a lot longer than what the guys in FD go through.
Three..I doubt that the rear subframe is the only violation with that car. I believe that at one time in the rules you could not cut the firewall. If this is still in play how do you fit a NASCAR V8 behind the shock towers in a Scion without cutting the firewall?
Four...It is always about the money! I do not have a problem with drifting becoming commercialised, to an extent. I have said this before. I love drifting! I love the fact that almost all the drivers are very approachable, More than happy to talk to you one on one, Will come to local grassroots events and drive with the amateurs and help them with there drifting. I would hate to see drifting turn into a bunch of pretencious pricks hidding in there trailers behind velvet ropes until such time as they run there spec car on the course.
Where does this leave us...I don't know. I do know this unless there is money to be made on drifting it will back to an outlaw sport on the streets more so than it is right now.

fast-datsun
08-21-2009, 12:51 PM
I think we should ASSUME the car is legal. FD spent more time inspecting there car than they did all others at pre-season inspection. The car was on the lift and inspected from top to bottom. It was reported that the sub frame was from a Supra the next day and FD must have know about it at least at that time.. Rule state that FD has option to make or mod rule as necessary. Many new car have had thing that were outside the written rule, but ok'd before hand. I think it puts smaller less funded teams at a disavantage, but the option is open to all who want to try something new....

OldSkool510
08-21-2009, 04:11 PM
...so back to the subject, sorta. If Toyota made a RWD Scion, would people buy it?

Do you really think the demographics Toyota targets with the SCION really cares whether its FWD or RWD? I don't think so. Most people buy into the Scions because of its affordability.

Bebop
08-21-2009, 04:15 PM
Do you really think the demographics Toyota targets with the SCION really cares whether its FWD or RWD? I don't think so. Most people buy into the Scions because of its affordability.

So its kinda oxymoronic for them to be in formula D right.

If this is so why doesn't VW have a rwd GTI in the series

Why doesn't ford have one of those nifty RWD fiestas in the field yet.

Where is nissan?

Where is kias hamster box?

Slapshotnerd
08-21-2009, 05:31 PM
So its kinda oxymoronic for them to be in formula D right.

If this is so why doesn't VW have a rwd GTI in the series

Why doesn't ford have one of those nifty RWD fiestas in the field yet.

Where is nissan?

Where is kias hamster box?

kia - do they have any AWD cars? i'm not familiar with their lineup... I don't see Kia spending that type of money on marketing.

Nissan - hello 350z's? 240's? They really don't need to do much... although I hear there are a few teams trying to get 370's, but they don't need to create monsters, the teams are doing it themselves.

VW - those RWD GTI's are too busy being used on the set of FF5 ;) again, i don't think they care much about the drifting crowd.

Fiestas - Ford has a few Mustang's in the crowd, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Fiesta comes around. The X-games cars were already pretty much built (thru WRC), and the exposure from the X-games far outweighs drifting right now. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see one in the next 2-3 years. Once the car is released to the masses here, I think Ford may consider FD, especially with how much they have supported Gushi and now JR

Bebop
08-21-2009, 05:48 PM
I don't think you got the point...

Do you really think the demographics Toyota targets with the SCION really cares whether its FWD or RWD? I don't think so. Most people buy into the Scions because of its affordability.

We are talking about eco fwd car being converted in into drift cars, scion is the only company doing it.

OldSkool510
08-21-2009, 11:58 PM
From a business standpoint, TOYOTA is exploiting the target audience of drifting like a mother&%**$# with the Scion. It's demographics are probably very similar....

SCION is such a major player in Formula D that they had to find a way to get their FWD (wannabe RWD) TC in there somewhere.

It doesn't make economic sense for any manufacturer to convert any of their FWD cars just to be able to participate in drifting....I don't think designers take into account a cars' driftability when designing cars.....They're more into a vehicle's sell-ability.

Sakesoba
08-23-2009, 01:50 AM
I'm a fan of the Foust. But i.m.o, the Scion TC is being misrepresented. I feel bad for any new/current TC owners who think that their current fwd setup is drift ready :(

wrxwagon
08-31-2009, 03:48 PM
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Piner
09-01-2009, 10:20 AM
I dont understand I didnt think you could swap subframes from completely different cars doesnt that fall under the suspension pickup points rule? I mean a TC's rear suspension is nothing like a MK4 supra's

fast-datsun
09-02-2009, 02:57 PM
As long as you get FD permission before hand its legal... as per the rules.....

Mediaman
09-03-2009, 01:07 AM
OK guys, while your enthusiasm is laudable, it's not very practical. We now live in an era of government-owned car companies, two out of three by last count, and this particular government is way more interested in bubble cars with really long extension cords than any kind of specialty performance packages. Don't look for any special "drift editions" to show up in a showroom near you anytime soon.
But that doesn't mean that drift-centric aftermarket kits and products aren't in your future, and for a wide variety of cars, if technology and competition are allowed to take their natural course.
Look for folks like Austosport Dynamics, builder of Vaughn Gittin Jr's 2010 Mustang and DMac's right drive, RWD Sky and Rhys Millen, builder of the new Hyundai Genesis and Eddie Kim's RWD Subaru Sti to develop aftermarket drift packages and sign up selected dealers to sell and install them on new cars. It's similar to the way specialty packages based on NASCAR ands NHRA cars were sold by Dodge, Plymouth, and Ford dealers in the 1960s, prior to the gas and insurance crisis' that nearly destroyed the performance industry altogether in the 1970s. Strong buyer demand for those packages eventually turned the tide, and the aftermarket performance industry flourished.
So what does all of this have to do with T. Foust's Scion tC? For these aftermarket drift packages to eventually make their way to market, they have to be developed, which means the cars have to compete.
As drifting matures from a collection of enthusiastic amateurs, to a mainstream motorsport, this is the kind of commercially driven R&D brings non-endemic sponsors, true manufacturer support, and more $$$ into the sport, which brings new blood and more commerce. It's all heretical to purists, I know, but its the way of the world for emerging motorsports that want to become engines of commerce and eventually, a mainstream motorsport .
You want Kia, Nissan, Ford, BMW, and others to begin making great modern era drift cars you can buy? Then let the process play itself out. Aren't we all supposed to embrace change?
One day all the 240s and Hachis will be used up. Then what?

N. Chen
09-03-2009, 01:12 PM
One day all the 240s and Hachis will be used up. Then what?

By then the 350z and other used cars will become the new 240.

Justin Banner
09-03-2009, 01:59 PM
There are also Camaros/Firebirds, Mustangs/Capris, Miatas, 2WD Trucks, GTOs, and many old Ford and Chevy Police cars.

Bebop
09-03-2009, 02:46 PM
Most of the ASD/Falken Mustang suspension and engine parts are availible online. And its not like they are super expensive, around the same price as aftermarket S13/S14 crap.

Very affordable and reliable drift chassis right there, for now and the future.

B.Wilkerson knows whats up.

courantcom
09-05-2009, 05:54 AM
As long as you get FD permission before hand its legal... as per the rules.....

They supposedly had permission...but then now what? From the way the car came out, they had all the permission. The group that put that car together aren't going to "make" a car, and then see if it's legal after it's all done. From what I remember reading, Formula D was very involved in the entire build of this car from the get-go.