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Nissan_Racer
07-25-2003, 12:27 AM
by definition, is ff "drifting" really drifting? just slam the e-brake and slide sideways without really spinning the tires, or is there a new teqnique(or what ever) i think its fun but not drifting.

JonnySlick
07-25-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Nissan_Racer
by definition, is ff "drifting" really drifting? just slam the e-brake and slide sideways without really spinning the tires, or is there a new teqnique(or what ever) i think its fun but not drifting.

well this is my opinion and just my opinion. if you're talking about drifting in the tradition sense... then NO. but some people will argue that point. true drifting is done with using the power of the car (which can only work in a FR configuration) not simply by using inertia as the FF guys do. so are they sliding sidewayz and having fun? sure. is it true drifting? no.

JonnySlick
07-30-2003, 06:56 PM
wow...suprised i didn't get burned for that post LOL. he he he.:p

7akumi X
07-30-2003, 09:22 PM
IMHO:::: Drifting is using the power of the car to break the rear tires loose---------to then slide around

pcbootleger
07-31-2003, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by JonnySlick
... (which can only work in a FR configuration) .

you can use RR cars too... the mr2 is excellent for drifitng.

J-BloodAE86
07-31-2003, 03:20 PM
yah, but you know what he meant

JonnySlick
08-01-2003, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by pcbootleger
you can use RR cars too... the mr2 is excellent for drifitng.
right, i was comparing FF to FR though.

RR is a whole other story....you can drift those things too, but from what i hear it takes mad skillz to be good b/c they have so much inertia energy built into the rear when they start sliding due to the mass of the engine. i dunno' though, i've never been in one. i've seen vids of them drifting, but looks very hard (although cool :cool: ).

Sky_kiD
08-05-2003, 11:16 PM
I'm probally one of the few people who drifts ff without the P-brake. But whats hard about it? Feinting and Braking drifts both are not drivechain dependent

AssumingApex
08-06-2003, 12:53 AM
they closest technique would be called left foot braking. It's the most relative to a "drift". They rest are just power slides

Sky_kiD
08-06-2003, 06:25 AM
What makes you say that? What if you feint, using the cars weight as its thrown to the other side to initiate a drift?

DriftDaze
08-06-2003, 07:05 AM
Yea well think about your going to have to do to come out of it. It's not the same as the actual definiton which is what he is asking.

Sky_kiD
08-06-2003, 07:14 AM
Well okay you all talk about what a "real" drift is. So what technique constitutes a "real" drift?

JonnySlick
08-06-2003, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Sky_kiD
I'm probally one of the few people who drifts ff without the P-brake. But whats hard about it? Feinting and Braking drifts both are not drivechain dependent

sure, to initiate a drift that's not really powertrain dependent...but to hold it in the purest sense of the meaning of drift is dependent on that fact very much. you can only slide as far as your inertia will carry you in a FF setup.

basically you can get sideways but you can't hold it for the drift outside the bounderies of your inertia.

Sky_kiD
08-06-2003, 07:35 AM
Well this is a very valid point, ff drifts are allmost entirely dependant on the amount of energy you have going into the drift. But then you could make the same argument for alot of styles of rwd drift. If your car is sideways, then you cannot push the car sideways more with the rear wheels, since they point opposed to the direction your going.
Edit: I think the most significant difference, and the point you tryed to get across, is that with rwd you dont have to lose any speed initiating the drift, whereas in ff, some speed must be lost with the scrubbing of the back tires

J_cham979
08-06-2003, 08:39 AM
sowwi this is gonna sound dumb, what is a RR? i always thought it was a FR? i kno that sounds stupid but i aint eva heard of a RR,lol.:p

Sky_kiD
08-06-2003, 09:10 AM
No in comparison you dont sound dumb, for one the car they were talking about (mr2) is a MR (Mid engine rear wheel drive)

RR(rear engine rear wheel drive) is something only available on a few cars, the classis VW beetle and eurovan, subaru 360, and is prettymuch not even found on modern vehicles


BUT.. If you realllly are lost, very simple

FF engine in the front, front wheels power car
FR engine in the front, rear wheels power car
MR engine in the middle, usually behind drivers seat, rear wheels power car
RR engine in back, behind rear wheels, rear wheels power car
4WD engine location nonspecific, all wheels power car

RoadblockTDX
08-06-2003, 10:44 AM
FF's can drift slightly, but the drift can't be sustained for as long periods of time. With some VERY precise suspension tuning and insane amounts of horsepower FF's can drift. I say they can't because I don't want to put a smile on the face of every honduh homie who thinks he has a drift car (Type R's not included)

Sky_kiD
08-06-2003, 10:57 AM
Okay,, one must be made clear


HONDAS DO NOT DRIFT, even if it looks like a drift, if its in a honda, its not a drift ^_^

(no offence to all the honda drivers on here, but i despise rice slides)

--DriftKing--
08-06-2003, 11:05 AM
okay then waht do u drive? hypocrite....j/k ff is ff ff drift is all the same im glad taht all the ricers have ff honda and they can infest our beautiful sport

JonnySlick
08-06-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Sky_kiD
is prettymuch not even found on modern vehicles


man you forgot the best example of RR.....porsche! yeah, 911's are RR cars and if i'm not mistaken that's a modern vehicle right? LOL.

j/k

Sky_kiD
08-06-2003, 10:02 PM
The older Porches had the engine behind the rear axle, thats true, but the newer ones dont. The reason why they were origionally rr is because they were based on VW beetles

So modern porches are MR

J-BloodAE86
08-06-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Sky_kiD
The older Porches had the engine behind the rear axle, thats true, but the newer ones dont. The reason why they were origionally rr is because they were based on VW beetles

So modern porches are MR

um, i'd have to disagree with that last part, they are considered rr because the engine is pretty much directly above the rear axle, its only mr if the engine is completely in front of the rear axle, for example the fd (and maybe the older ones too) is considered mr because the engine is behind the front axle (though the engine is in front of the driver)

DriftDaze
08-06-2003, 10:56 PM
that does make more sense.

Sky_kiD
08-07-2003, 06:05 AM
okay, the LITERAL definition is an FF has the engine infront of the front axles, an MR has the engine between the front and rear axles, and a RR has the engine behind the rear axles.

But I dont think theres any specific definition on how far over the axle it has to be before its before/after the axle/spindles. But if that holds true then I think the same can be said about the Plymouth(i think its plymouth) prowler, because the front wheels are so far forwards, but i dont think anyone would consider that an MR.

JonnySlick
08-07-2003, 09:28 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sky_kiD
The older Porches had the engine behind the rear axle, thats true, but the newer ones dont. The reason why they were origionally rr is because they were based on VW beetles

So modern porches are MR [/QUOTE


ummmm....nope


modern porsche (2000) model 911 GT3 and it's RR.

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/911gt3.html

and a review on the 2002 911 and it's still RR too.

http://autos.msn.com/vip/jedlicka.aspx?
make=porsche&model=911&src=404

Sky_kiD
08-07-2003, 10:23 AM
Blarg my bad, I forgot that the engines on those are so short,cause I was thinking about how the engine looks and i thought for some reason it was longer but thats actually the shift linkage, yeup porches are rr,,

J-BloodAE86
08-07-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Sky_kiD
okay, the LITERAL definition is an FF has the engine infront of the front axles, an MR has the engine between the front and rear axles, and a RR has the engine behind the rear axles.


technically the definition of front engined is infront of OR directly above the front axles, and its the same in the rear

and as for the prowler, though the front wheels are out there pretty far, the engine is still over the front axles, the radiator is set back a couple inches from the grill, so you can see how far forward the engine sits

http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2001_plymouth_prowler-1.jpg

J-BloodAE86
08-07-2003, 10:36 AM
so basically if any part of the engine is over the front axle it is "front engined"

Sky_kiD
08-07-2003, 11:09 AM
See Im not sure, do you consider just the block the engine? or the rest too. this is the prowlers engine, and if you can consider an fc mr, then i would guess the prowler would be too

J-BloodAE86
08-07-2003, 11:24 AM
thats mostly up to the maker of the car, they get to make the final decision on what it is considered, i read a article on the prowler and it said that they put the radiator and other engine components in front of the front suspension so that they could call it a FR because they though that was more appealing to the public than a MR "hot rod", though most custom rods are acutally MR

Sky_kiD
08-07-2003, 11:35 AM
I guess, it is just up to the manufacturer to decide what the engine set up is called. I personally consider any car with the engine infront of the driver an FF, even if its behind the axles.

J-BloodAE86
08-07-2003, 12:15 PM
yah, in the end it doesn't make a difference:D