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nissanguy_24
06-27-2004, 01:08 PM
I went to a local nascar race last night. I had a good time, but i deffenately saw things i never want to see in drifting.

1. Famous Drivers limoed up to the cars that were parked by someone else on the race track waiting for them.

2. Painted on or decaled headlights.

3. Crowds cheering more for the horrible accident (it was bad, a car stopped then hit by another at about 90 miles an hour, i thought the guy was hurt bad) then the last second final corner pass that changed the race leader.

4.Tube Frame OHV Carberated RWD plexiglass cars referred to as a "2003 ford taurus"

5. Praying before a race over the loud speaker... I dont know why this bothers me so much, probably do to my religious beliefs (or there for lack of) if you want to pray thats fine.. but leading the whole audience in one. i dont know bugs me.

6. Drivers and Pits kept away from the fans. Driver contact permitted only by a long line wait where the famous guys are sitting in an airconditioned tent to sign autographs.

7. this is a big one..... Beer and Alchahol sponsors! This is my personal opinion but Alchahol has no business with automobiles LET alone auto racing. And deffenately has no business in drifting. To me drifters strive for complete control over a car.. anything that will hurt your control of the car has no business in the car or painted on the car.

8. Audience using the race as an escuse to drink and smoke, then climb back into the cars later to 'drive home'.

Yeah those things bug me, i dont want drifting to adopt them. Lets learn from other motorsports and adopt only the best attitudes. I mean besides those things the rest was cool, the audience deffenately were enthusiastic and the local guys and the more grassroots stuff was alot of fun.

Speaking of 'stock car' racing. They are racing Infenion right now. They will be drifting there in 2 weeks. Should be interesting. They dont tackle many road races so this should be a good change. The race is right now on fox if anyone is interested.

jaydm180sx
06-27-2004, 01:17 PM
I agree with you

5Z S13
06-27-2004, 01:20 PM
If any one of those examples show up at all in any drifting event it will be the demise of drifting entirely as we know it.

sobe
06-27-2004, 01:23 PM
^ you must really care what other people think about you and "Your" sport...

if you really loved what you do, none of all he listed would matter, SMC is just looking out for all of us...but if all of that happened ill tell you this much..it wouldnt effect him and his car and the way he drives/drifts it at all, he'd be the same SMC just hating everything public about drifting 1 million times more then right now

DrifterN
06-27-2004, 01:28 PM
ah....pretty bad stuff there haha.....
but yah i agree with you guys

fc3skhoy
06-27-2004, 01:59 PM
Yeah that would suck if that happened........

Ghost of Duluth
06-27-2004, 02:04 PM
1. Cars sliding.

2. Girls looking oh so sweet

3. Vendors with Turkey legs like at the Renessiance festival.

4. Women wiht Bikinis that are 2 tires. One around the hambys and one around the temple.

5. Cars that are not completely stickered up like a Van Goh panting.

6. Girls lounging on my car. Like REALLY lounging, all amongst the hood and the rear deck and laying on the roof. If I don't have a dent in the shape of a womans buttocks on my roof, there wasn't enough loungin.

7. A guy with Bagpipes who wil play my theme music while I slide.

8. Girl Drifters. I want to see some hotties get their slide on like nobodies business. I want a slider girlfriend and I want her to be able to outdrive me. Then I want her to lounge on my car with nothing but some jeans and a black bra making all the guys jealous of me.

Yeap, thats what I want in Drifting.

ChokudoriS13
06-27-2004, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by nissanguy_24


5. Praying before a race over the loud speaker... I dont know why this bothers me so much, probably do to my religious beliefs (or there for lack of) if you want to pray thats fine.. but leading the whole audience in one. i dont know bugs me.


This would seriously piss me off...

HX-50
06-27-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
If I don't have a dent in the shape of a womans buttocks on my roof, there wasn't enough loungin.



HAHAHA awesome quote ghost that would be a great addon to the fd

DrifterN
06-27-2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
1. Cars sliding.

2. Girls looking oh so sweet

4. Women wiht Bikinis that are 2 tires. One around the hambys and one around the temple.

6. Girls lounging on my car. Like REALLY lounging, all amongst the hood and the rear deck and laying on the roof. If I don't have a dent in the shape of a womans buttocks on my roof, there wasn't enough loungin.

8. Girl Drifters. I want to see some hotties get their slide on like nobodies business. I want a slider girlfriend and I want her to be able to outdrive me. Then I want her to lounge on my car with nothing but some jeans and a black bra making all the guys jealous of me.

Yeap, thats what I want in Drifting.

haha i wouldn't mind letting these happen haha ;)
but substitute jeans for boy shorts or really extremely short shorts hahaha:D

Spy001
06-27-2004, 03:21 PM
first off, thanks for cheering me up Ghost, second Nissanguy, youre damn right...i always enjoyed the irony in seeing a budweiser car hit a wall (no i dont like seeing nasty crashes) but its funny "i wonder how he lost control" hmmmm ;)

REVLIMIT
06-27-2004, 03:34 PM
Yup I totally agree with the drinking thing. I hate it when theres drunks at the tracks. They get all rowdy and stupid and it just pisses me off. As for hte decal headlights...I was going to do that O_o haha...just kinda like signal did with their cars and took out the headlights and put fake oens in their place.

chuaboi36
06-27-2004, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
1. Cars sliding.

2. Girls looking oh so sweet

3. Vendors with Turkey legs like at the Renessiance festival.

4. Women wiht Bikinis that are 2 tires. One around the hambys and one around the temple.

5. Cars that are not completely stickered up like a Van Goh panting.

6. Girls lounging on my car. Like REALLY lounging, all amongst the hood and the rear deck and laying on the roof. If I don't have a dent in the shape of a womans buttocks on my roof, there wasn't enough loungin.

7. A guy with Bagpipes who wil play my theme music while I slide.

8. Girl Drifters. I want to see some hotties get their slide on like nobodies business. I want a slider girlfriend and I want her to be able to outdrive me. Then I want her to lounge on my car with nothing but some jeans and a black bra making all the guys jealous of me.

Yeap, thats what I want in Drifting.

LOL i have to totally agree with you. but maybe not on the bagpipes, i don't need that kind of music(no offence) when i'm tryin 2 drift.

GRiDRaceTech
06-27-2004, 05:33 PM
SMC- Right on, brother. I agree with every one.

GoD- Right on, other brother. I agree with every one.

Craftsman
06-27-2004, 05:56 PM
I got nothing against religion at racing events. It's cultural. You might not be religious, but generally the crowd who enjoys NASCAR is religious.

Anyways, I'm all for the stuff in NASCAR. I think it's pretty cool for professionally sanctioned racing.

But then again, this is all my opinion.

I would not like to see this in drifting though. I concur.

But beer sponsers are cool. I'd like to see some major sponsers that aren't related to cars join.

Matt.

nissanguy_24
06-27-2004, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Craftsman

But beer sponsers are cool. I'd like to see some major sponsers that aren't related to cars join.

Matt.


This is the exact thing i hate most about racing. At least while the sponsors make car parts or cars or something there is some relation to the street cars. Its when M and M sponsors a car that you see the legitimacy disapear. because M and M dont care what the car is like as long as you see there candy on the car.

Ex-Cat
06-27-2004, 07:22 PM
^ Actually, they do care. Coming in 34 of 35 cars isn't going to get your brand in the public view like taking a top three finish would, so they want their cars to win just like the auto related sponsors. What's your big problem with money being put into things you enjoy? The drivers and crews all have bills to pay and at the end of the day, no matter what field, money is the driving force.

REVLIMIT
06-27-2004, 07:26 PM
I still don't like hte idea of alcohal companies...beer and what not has no place at an event. It just makes a whole lotta rowdy and stupid acting people.

98BlueStang'
06-27-2004, 07:29 PM
First: I was at Mid-Ohio for the ALMS ( America Le Mans Series so I didn't catch the race) post some pics later on a new thread.

Second: what is SMC?

Third:( sorry for being so random with these answers) I agree with most of your stuff and fully respect your opinion Nissanguy, but the fact is, you can neveer stop this. It's business and this is what america is built on. I hate it too because you get these companies who make non-automotive parts ( let's say tide detergent) and pour hundreds of thousands of $ to largely display the product. This money in turn can be used for more testing, research, and practice that will help the guy win against another guy that has inferior equip. or hasn't gotten used to the change, though the other guy might be as good/if not better.
I have mixed feelings about this issue, while i disagree with the basics of this, i have to admit, some pretty cool paints have been made with the products'. (just saying)
As for the prayer, that also bothers me because not everybody wantsto say a prayer,(some people may not want to hear the prayer for fear it might bring back memories of poeple long lost. rest in piece Dale Earnhart and Mark Lovell) some people are not the religion to prayer in that way, wether they be Muslim, Islamic, Buddist or whatever.

The accident thing is just sick and shows how compassionate we Americans are...

Teh dirver and pit thing is another two-sided. I feel that the drivers and crew should have some time to themselves and when they are working they should not be distracted, but meeting the fans and that sort of thing is just common decency. people of all kinds look up to these drivers and they will not come out and meet with them, won't make their dreams come true by meeting their favorite drivers, just enlightening everybodys mood?...just pathetic.

4.Tube Frame OHV Carberated RWD plexiglass cars referred to as a "2003 ford taurus
this isn't necessaraly bad. The engines they run are awsome, If the used a more stock car (not just a radical shell with stickers) it would be alright. Tell me you don't want to see a taurus (that looks like a Taurus with regular body panels) with a 600hp big ol' honkin' V-8 try to take on a 700hp T88 turbocharged Supra in a drifting event (both pro drifting drivers) even if it is RWD? FWD would be sweet too.

The limo one is pretty screwed up, shows they care more about money that the thrill of driving.
The decal one bothers me a bit, but i really don't care too much.

Everything else i have to agree with you.

I cannot agree more with the women drifter thing...

Hey Ghost, maybe I can park my Mustang next to your FD (if my six is worthy) and bring some friends (girls) from school that love cars and we could wash our cars *hint hint.

nissanguy_24
06-27-2004, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Ex-Cat
^ Actually, they do care. Coming in 34 of 35 cars isn't going to get your brand in the public view like taking a top three finish would, so they want their cars to win just like the auto related sponsors. What's your big problem with money being put into things you enjoy? The drivers and crews all have bills to pay and at the end of the day, no matter what field, money is the driving force.

I think Ex-cat just likes to dissagree with me lol...

Anyways i mean they dont care about the cars being REAL car, or the cars having anything to do with whats sold on the street. If im selling a body kit and i put money or give body parts to a pro drifter, then i care if hes running a real car. Because if its some tube frame nascar type vehichle that isnt even the same shape as the real car, what use is my body kit? How many times has someone posted and said "Dude that guy's body kit is awesome what is it called?" thats good marketing right there. Now body kits arent the most important thing in the sport but its an example.

But its the same thing for all other parts, If im selling a turbo kit for SR20 motors, then im going to want to sponsor a drifter to use my kit or something.. But if they are running some motor that has nothing to do with the S13, then why would i give them money? These are concerned that car part companys and shops will have that a candy or beer company wont have.

And why do i care about huge money? well because i like the kind of drifting that is still aprochable by the grass roots enthusiest, all those things i mentioned, well most of them are typical of big money type sports, and i like drifting how it is. These are just things i dont want in the sport.

And to 98stang... No i really wouldnt want to see a OHV carburated v8 rear drive "taurus" drifting, i want to see real cars drifted. and i never want to see a technology limitation on drift cars. I understand Nascar and NHRA are desperately trying to perserve the late 60s best they can. However im not a huge fan of the idea...

the Engines nascar runs may be awesome, but with no limitations they would be incredably, Besides this is drifting i'd like normal engines being used.

I just want the professional level of this sport to maintain some connections with the street. Thats already dissapearing, And infact was before the viper ever apeared. But its up to us as fans to try to make it into what we want. This forum is a good place to start. But also it takes the drivers and the promoters as well as the fans.

fc3skhoy
06-27-2004, 08:04 PM
You are so right nissan guy

Wickdmarz
06-27-2004, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by nissanguy_24
5. Praying before a race over the loud speaker... I dont know why this bothers me so much, probably do to my religious beliefs (or there for lack of) if you want to pray thats fine.. but leading the whole audience in one. i dont know bugs me.




You know if you really wanted to, you can sue them for that, its quite illegal.

Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth


3. Vendors with Turkey legs like at the Renessiance festival.

4. Women wiht Bikinis that are 2 tires. One around the hambys and one around the temple.


6. Girls lounging on my car. Like REALLY lounging, all amongst the hood and the rear deck and laying on the roof. If I don't have a dent in the shape of a womans buttocks on my roof, there wasn't enough loungin.



Love the list...I would definitely have some turkey legs or at least some decent price hotdogs not like 4 bucks like a cali spdway today.

Hambys?? Whats that?

Well I really dont swing that way..but I would have girls lounging on my car, better be some hot girls though, I got high standards. Plus it'll be weird seeing a guy modeling on a car in a bra and jeans.

nissanguy_24
06-27-2004, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
You know if you really wanted to, you can sue them for that, its quite illegal.



Love the list...I would definitely have some turkey legs or at least some decent price hotdogs not like 4 bucks like a cali spdway today.

Hambys?? Whats that?

Well I really dont swing that way..but I would have girls lounging on my car, better be some hot girls though, I got high standards. Plus it'll be weird seeing a guy modeling on a car in a bra and jeans.

Im not the kind to sue for anything, Its just awkward you know?

Ghost of Duluth
06-27-2004, 08:27 PM
Girl you got a set and don't know what a Hamby is? Hamby Jambys, you know, those which are most beautiful. Your twins.
That which is best in life.

Anyway, thanks and anyone can park next to me but the rest of my garages cars will most likely surround the Ghost mobile.

Craftsman
06-27-2004, 10:07 PM
Screw it, get me a beer :)

No seriously, I think sponsers that are not related to cars are cool too.

Look at the Navy, Army, and Air Force. They're all sponsering cars to get their names out. M&Ms and Mars Candy have nothing to do with racing. McDonalds?

My point. It's good to have financial backing. With car parts it's different. But let's look at Formula Drift. It was sponsered by EA Sports to promote their new video game.

I'm not argueing against you. I'm just pointing how racing requires financial backing and that if it's going to grow, it's going to require non-racing related companies to help pay for such events.

Matt.

CrazyHawaiian
06-28-2004, 03:48 AM
I like the bagpipes idea. I need to find someone that can play bagpipes for me too. Chris, do you know how to play bagpipes? hahaha I'll play em when you drift too.

FiveLiterBeater
06-28-2004, 05:54 AM
And now it's time for my wandering mind to put in it's 2 cents.

I have to say I agree with the bit about alchahol companies spnsoring cars, in fact, I agree that any companies not affiliated with motorsports should not sponsor cars. But.. That's not to say they shouldn't have anything to do with events. If Joe Blow's Air Conditioner service wants to help sponsor an event in return for throwing some banners up around the track, more power to him. There was more I wanted to say, but I just got home from work and I'm fscking tired. They were cool and insightful though, about how I'm all edgy about any kind of big company's getting to in on it and whisking the whole sport onto a whole new level before I get a crack at it. :D I think...
As for GoD's list though... I think you should combine 3 and 7, the turkey vendor should be playing the bagpipes WHILE... vending. It should be like. Bagpipes rock hardcore. My car would have problems with number 7 though, there's already to many dents in my car, none of which are even remotely buttocks-shaped. And the girls would probably catch tetnis if they find any rust spots I haven't managed to primer yet. And even if my car was fine, it'd just make me angry, you know, so clase, yet so far and all that.

-Kyle

santi
06-28-2004, 07:36 AM
budwieser racings new slogon DRINK DRIVE DIE.it's so 3D

anyways i dont know about the beer in the stands though.. if i'm watchin some drifting or racing.. or just watchin the hot girls lounge on someone elses car(i would say mine but they might chip my spray paint)but i'll want to drink a beer.. maybe 2.. but in all truth it'll prolly be like 9 beers in my wife beeter suckin in some sun. beer is koo just not for the drivers well most of them.. alex p makes his own rules haha

driftfreak
06-28-2004, 08:40 AM
Money going into racing=good
(i really dont like nascar but ill save my ranting on it for another time)
BUT idiots/drunks at an even suck...they ruin it for everyone else

but hotties wearing next to nothing help bring it back in line..

Wickdmarz
06-28-2004, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
Girl you got a set and don't know what a Hamby is? Hamby Jambys, you know, those which are most beautiful. Your twins.
That which is best in life.

Anyway, thanks and anyone can park next to me but the rest of my garages cars will most likely surround the Ghost mobile.

Oh well I never heard them refer to that..good to know though!

prodigy
06-28-2004, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by nissanguy_24
I went to a local nascar race last night. I had a good time, but i deffenately saw things i never want to see in drifting.

1. Famous Drivers limoed up to the cars that were parked by someone else on the race track waiting for them.

2. Painted on or decaled headlights.

3. Crowds cheering more for the horrible accident (it was bad, a car stopped then hit by another at about 90 miles an hour, i thought the guy was hurt bad) then the last second final corner pass that changed the race leader.

4.Tube Frame OHV Carberated RWD plexiglass cars referred to as a "2003 ford taurus"

5. Praying before a race over the loud speaker... I dont know why this bothers me so much, probably do to my religious beliefs (or there for lack of) if you want to pray thats fine.. but leading the whole audience in one. i dont know bugs me.

6. Drivers and Pits kept away from the fans. Driver contact permitted only by a long line wait where the famous guys are sitting in an airconditioned tent to sign autographs.

7. this is a big one..... Beer and Alchahol sponsors! This is my personal opinion but Alchahol has no business with automobiles LET alone auto racing. And deffenately has no business in drifting. To me drifters strive for complete control over a car.. anything that will hurt your control of the car has no business in the car or painted on the car.

8. Audience using the race as an escuse to drink and smoke, then climb back into the cars later to 'drive home'.

Yeah those things bug me, i dont want drifting to adopt them. Lets learn from other motorsports and adopt only the best attitudes. I mean besides those things the rest was cool, the audience deffenately were enthusiastic and the local guys and the more grassroots stuff was alot of fun.

Speaking of 'stock car' racing. They are racing Infenion right now. They will be drifting there in 2 weeks. Should be interesting. They dont tackle many road races so this should be a good change. The race is right now on fox if anyone is interested.

Amen to that (pun intended). That is why NASCAR blows.

SilviaLove
06-28-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by: 98BlueStang'
4.Tube Frame OHV Carberated RWD plexiglass cars referred to as a "2003 ford taurus
this isn't necessaraly bad. The engines they run are awsome, If the used a more stock car (not just a radical shell with stickers) it would be alright. Tell me you don't want to see a taurus (that looks like a Taurus with regular body panels) with a 600hp big ol' honkin' V-8 try to take on a 700hp T88 turbocharged Supra in a drifting event (both pro drifting drivers) even if it is RWD? FWD would be sweet too. I agree with the SMC on this one..i want to see real cars drifting not some tubeframe racer. The viper is some what of a exception because it design in that form, but i think drift cars should be streetable. I'm hoping drifting does stays at level where i can relate to it, "connected to the streets," as the guy was stated.

swifty949
06-28-2004, 12:31 PM
corporate money is needed. Car parts are hardly ever free, most of the so called sponsorships are nothing more than a wholesell discount. I have approaced beer companies, becuase they have an open mind to advertising and want to caputre the 21-34 male market that watches drifting. Bottom line is, teams need money to compete, and they will approach any company that is open minded about it. Be it Trojan condoms, or a Maxi Pad manufacturer.

It's not free to go drifting, and run at all 4 of the Formula D events i need to budget a minimum of $10k-20k towards (depending on the size of the team) transportation costs, hotels, food, etc. thats not even including the costs of mainting the car, and buying replacement parts. Formula D is all about competiting, and yes that includes competiting for sponsorship $$. Marketing & sponsorships bring funds to the team is one of the often most overlooked aspects of racing.

Its these reasons alone, our drift team can only afford to go to two of the 4 Formula D events.

nissanguy_24
06-28-2004, 12:59 PM
Thats a downward spiral man, But do what you have to do. The pro level stuff can do what they want, most of us will still drift, it will just not be under the lights of irwindale like we hoped.

We all like the idea of an aprochable pro rank. The only reason i fear "big money" and that sort is it leads to the stock car type stuff. Let me rephrase that, it leads to the worse kind of stock car type stuff.

Perhaps this has turned into a "I wont sell out" speech, i dont know, i understand the sport isnt cheap, all of us can use help. But i guess when i look to the japanese pro level, the D1, yeah its pretty commercal but most the sponsors either sell car parts or are related in another fashion like super autobacs. I guess i like that. Drifting is pretty big in japan and they have managed to keep it close to that. In America there is even more potential for the sport to grow. But i think if we are careful we can keep it somewhat related to cars, that intern will keep the cars real, and similar to street cars. Obtainable you know? its why i dont like the idea of super cars in drifting events, though some guys would like nothing more.

Anyways this is just a rambling with some assorted thoughts. I Thank you all for listening.

Ghost of Duluth
06-28-2004, 01:38 PM
Bagpipe playing Turkey vendors. Rock on brother.

And Wicked, you just haven't met the right person. I'm full of pet names for everything. :)

Money and sponsers will come, its a given. Such is the steamroller of big business. All you can do is try to stay out of it's way lest you be made flat by it.

nissanguy_24
06-28-2004, 01:53 PM
Certain people who drive black FDs named after spirits or such who use my complaint thread to fantasize and hit on girls.


lol...

noobster
06-28-2004, 04:41 PM
dont they pray at the Indy 500 too?

nissanguy_24
06-28-2004, 04:43 PM
Probably, but if they do, i dont like it still.

Ghost of Duluth
06-28-2004, 05:13 PM
Who is this one that you speak? We shall kill him. :)

JDM_DRIFTER2001
06-28-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by nissanguy_24
7. this is a big one..... Beer and Alchahol sponsors! This is my personal opinion but Alchahol has no business with automobiles LET alone auto racing. And deffenately has no business in drifting. To me drifters strive for complete control over a car.. anything that will hurt your control of the car has no business in the car or painted on the car.
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I completely agree. alchahol and cars don't go to gether just like drinking and driving don't go together. and because you shouldn't drink and dive I think that beer sponsers shouldn't sponser Cars, Drivers, and car events.


AND FOR THE PAINTED ON HEAD LIGHTS I ALWAYS FOUND THOSE LAME YOU ETHER HAVE HEAD LIGHTs OR YOU DON"T.

O AND I HATE NASCAR.

WytKnight
06-29-2004, 12:45 AM
Sponsors are the monetary fuel of professional motorsports. Its a necessary evil. In america, beer and cars go hand in hand. I agree alchohol doesnt mix with cars except in the fuel rail/carb. ;)

D1 from what I have seen is almost the same. Because of the new D1 rules I cannot compete in it without some mad cash. Sure my car as is would get into the driver search eliminations. But should I win and get my D1 license and entry slot to D1 circuit I would have to drop out since my car doesnt meet thier standars. I would have to put in a fair sum of money to make the tech specs then even more to compete with the supercars that look even nicer. Id be the dirty underdog that couldnt. Which I would have to agree with nissan saying we wont be drifting under the lights of Irwindale. Even our podunk Portland International Raceway <which has some nice curves> costs over $3000 to get a few hours on. PIR is the cheapest champ cart formula track in the world. Irwindale is prolly alot more to rent.

My college auto club is partially sponsored by a national parts store chain and it just gets us discounts, schwag, and some fluids but we are expected to make a showing of our drag racer as much as possible. Even the guys who win all the time dont get much more...race entrance paid, free catering, a hotel rom sometimes. Nascar is quite different though, its mad money but without the sponsors there would be no race tracks with billboards filled with cars/rolling billboards for the crowd to go see and buy into. Nascar is 70% marketing 30% enthusiast.

I dream of a special racetrack for drifters and drifters alone. Like some of the movies you see from Japan. An auto park to play in. I am working with a few people to build a viable business plan and hopefully find investors. I wish to make a home for the northwest drifters. Who knows...sorry to rant...

Ghost of Duluth
06-29-2004, 12:56 AM
You and every person my friend. Seems like everyones thinking bout building a Drift park but none seem to get built.

Just the way it goes. Agreed on the sponsership and the D1 thing. It's alot more money in Japan to do D1 than everyone thinks.

my 1 88 u
06-29-2004, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by WytKnight


I dream of a special racetrack for drifters and drifters alone. Like some of the movies you see from Japan. An auto park to play in. I am working with a few people to build a viable business plan and hopefully find investors. I wish to make a home for the northwest drifters. Who knows...sorry to rant...

I would support that. I dont care how many media blips drifting recieves, the sport aint big untill it has permanent facilities.

Craftsman
06-29-2004, 01:31 AM
Nissanguy_24... please don't take any of our comments at insults. You're an inspiriation to the cause of drifting.

I just think that more money is going to be needed for things to grow.

BTW, I'm all for drift tracks all over the US.

But to build these nice little tracks, we need money... :(

Matt.

CrazyHawaiian
06-29-2004, 01:32 AM
Build it, play the bagpipes, and they will come ...

nissanguy_24
06-29-2004, 02:35 AM
I dont take any opions as insults, they are all welcomed, and i consider everyone weighing its ideas against my own.


I understand what it cost for the D1, and im not saying the D1 is the best example however i do like the fact that the big money pro level is the D1. How many grass roots stock car guys can say that about nascar? they cant exactly race in one race and take a shot at the big race at daytona They are many many many levels seperated from that level. I think alot of it has to do with noncar related sponsors

But alot of what i said doesnt involve big money, just things i dont want involved in drifting. The big money really isnt the worse thing as long as we can keep the rest out of it.

Nismo
06-29-2004, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by nissanguy_24
7. this is a big one..... Beer and Alchahol sponsors! This is my personal opinion but Alchahol has no business with automobiles LET alone auto racing. And deffenately has no business in drifting. To me drifters strive for complete control over a car.. anything that will hurt your control of the car has no business in the car or painted on the car.


You're right Nissanguy, the NHRA is sponsered by Budwieser and some other alcohol names. I dont think it has any business there either. Besides it makes the place look like a Hickville. Like the Pomona Speed Way looks kinda tacky with the big Budwieser banner on the side. I think they should just stick with the performence parts banners. Kudos man

yarzan
06-29-2004, 09:58 AM
well money is needed to make the world go round. the thing about religion, im religious, but i dont think they should force it on others.

and ghost, about the whole girls thing: at DD17 they had this guy from street fury going around all like, "get yo sh!t sidewayz biatch" "we gons have a wet tshirt contest with these honeyz" it was pretty lame, lots of ppl ignored him and tried to stay away, one guy even called him the dark side of drifting. he tried to have a wet tshirt contest but that didnt work, everyone was too involved in the drifting and the cars. So, lets not make this like your import show where sex HAS to sell, lets keep this motorsport clean for once and not treat girls like objects., as in Hot car, hot girl. but about girl drifters, i agree with you, we really gotta see more of em out there.

OH240SE
06-29-2004, 11:24 AM
Nissan_guy
Bro you hit it, but you forgot...


#1 High Prices
#2 Death/Dismemberment/Paralization
#3 Riots (altho i do enjoy the occasional riot)



But some things i'd like to see are CHEAP PRICES/FOOD/DRINKS, (you go to almost any race anywhere and they dont allow alchohol in the pits anyway. if they find it, whatever driver's pit ur standing next to, the driver gets disqualified. NO MATTER if ur on the crew or just a spectator) so thats not a problem for u alchohol haters out there. (personally after 1-3 beers and some smoke, i drive alot smoother and less cowardly/cautious, but if i have that 4th i am no good from then on cause i'll get too aggressive and brake something) thats just me because it calms my nerves a bit...

AUTOGRAPH AND INTERVIEW SESSIONS, TRACK TIME, OFCOURSE QUALITY FEMALES, AND FAN BASED JUDGING :D

(i hate to say it but make the judging a bit like that american idol with a "fan judge ballot" turned in after the heat races. might cost a bit in paper but would still be fun.


just a spectator's wish list.

-B

yarzan
06-29-2004, 11:32 AM
1 pic: (look at the table)

OH240SE
06-29-2004, 11:34 AM
haha see that above post?!

now if there were about 12 of those empty heineken bottles i'd be nervous. but is it true that the japanese have a gland in their body that doesn't let them get drunk as easily as other races?? or is that just a stupid myth? cause he looks drunk lol.

clay payton
06-29-2004, 11:52 AM
the japanese are a culture of drinkers and cigarette smokers.

everyone drinks and smokes, but, what is different is that you won't seem them doing it as irresponsible as americans (no need to quote drunk driving stats, we all know it's the #1 killer here).

because their culture is set up very differently than ours, things like "having a beer" is not even an issue.

I've seen high school kids acting crazy and yelling "oh man i'm so wasted" after having 1 beer, that, as a prank, was actually non-alcoholic hahahaha.


also, having been around lots of japanese, it does seem like it takes more alcohol for them to get lively.

180maniac
06-29-2004, 12:55 PM
ok first, the person that said you could sue for the prayer....... how do you figure that?? you payed to be there, it isn't a govt. related organization, you are free to leave whenever. Nascar is a redneck sport, rednecks are mostly from the south, the south is religious for the most part. so it is not that big of a problem, and most nonreligious people in the south know not to complain about it. ok, now onto the next thing.

about the big sponsors/non-car related sponsors, they give everyone the money to have events at places such as irwindale, like someone said they wished they could still have events with them. if there weren't the sponsors, then entree fees could just be humongous(sp?) and then you could still have the events. there are sacrafices to be made, either you pay or they do. and if my understanding is correct, the sponsors give the money, the team decides what to do with it, so really, the sponsors just decide what stickers will be there, and as people have complained about before, sponsor stickers on d1 cars are hideous, but most of ya'll seem to understand that. how is it different for the other sponsors (by the way, i like the m&m stickers, and m&m's) and imo the reason why there aren't as many car related sponsors for U.S. drivers is because there are less car related companies that care about drifting right now. if a company doesn't focus on import cars then they probably don't cater to most of the drifting crowd. so the answer to this dilemna would be for the sponsors to expand and maybe bring in new people. one example of a car related sponsor that took a risk in drifting was mopar. but as a lot of people here didn't accept them, this is the reason some car companies are skeptical about getting in on it. we just need to be more open minded. if you don't like the formula d sponsors, i'm sure there will still be small time events held in parking lots accross the country. but just like nascar, if you wanna go big time, you gotta spend a lot of cash.

sorry about the long post, just had a lot to say, you can start the criticism now.

- peace :cool:

Ghost of Duluth
06-29-2004, 02:45 PM
I don't want YOU guys to have girls, just me. Comon man this ain't no democracy. :)

nissanguy_24
06-29-2004, 03:19 PM
180maniac, i have to dissagree with one of your conclusions. Though it apears valid. Well let me rephrase that your conclusion was there arent many car related drifting sponsors for domestics because there arent many domestic car parts interested in drifting, lets broaden that though. Lets say there arent many car related sponsors in nascar. The naturally conclusion there is that there are not many car related sponsors because the sponsors are interested in performance as a whole.

It seems very true but i think cause and effect are mixed up, I think the non-car related sponsors came in to get a piece of that stock car pie. THEY dont care about streetability because they dont sell car parts. They just care about winning at all cost to get there image out, as many sponsors do. This over a few years leads to the cars having nothing to do with street cars they are suposed to be made after, Thus the manufacturers stop carring about performance. Ford can make a crappy taurus and still race a rwd v8 monster in nascar because theres no homologation rules. Now the cars arent street cars at all, so car related sponsors go away all together. Who cares if this nascar team won with your carburated, because all real ford tauri (plural for taurus i assume) are fuel injected. The taurus enthusiest arent exactly rushing out to buy that cool carburator.

I know my rambling is hard to follow but i fear noncar related sponsors will not only make the sport expensive but take it away from the street cars we love. Big money talks and unless we do something as fans it will become that way. It can grow with out becoming stock car like. I mean i enjoy a stock car race as much as the next redneck, but these are negative things i think we can learn from.

And as for the bit about us 'Alchahol haters'... I dont care what the japanese do, though i admit they tend to be alot smarter then we as a whole do. But it is still my firm belief that alchahol and any other similar drug or compound that alters your perception and reaction time has no business with an automobile.

I think its dangerous not to mention stupid to drink during an event, but my complaint was mainly about the fans. When you look around and see EVERYONE not an exaseration, over the drinking age with a beer in there hands. and realize that not one person could of walked or taken a bus to this event because of its location. Well i just dont want to see drifting fans like that. And as for smoking, i still think its incredably rude to do in a crowd. Its like bad breath that carries for yards. Not to mention the health issues with it.

swifty949
06-29-2004, 04:46 PM
i have to disagree about Sponsor money from non car related brands spoiling the sport.

The sport is regulated by the governing body (scca & formula D) the cars will not change because of money, the cars will change due to rules with the governing body. I see where your going, but right now it's all up to Formula D and D1GP to dictate the direction of how the cars will be built.

scirocco
08-19-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by DrifterN
haha i wouldn't mind letting these happen haha ;)
but substitute jeans for boy shorts or really extremely short shorts hahaha:D

how about nothing at all:D... and ya thanks for cheering me up too ghost.... and nissanguy, i agree with everything you said except for the cigarette and alcohol sponsors.. they are just sponsors and they keep drifting alive... although i hate cigarettes and alcohol aint my entire life... although i would like to go to amsterdam for some unspecified reason someday... anyways... ghost has reminded me about how cool it would be to win a d1 competition and have a party after with loud music around my car and girls loungin in and out of my car... perhaps even on me:D... my wife would kill me.. anyways im gonna go think of getting a lapdance from one of the import tuner models.... AHH! i mean... from my beautiful attractive wife who... uh.. my wifes has me by the ear and she seems pissed so i gotta go... later!

gladhatter
08-21-2004, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by nissanguy_24
I 5. Praying before a race over the loud speaker... I dont know why this bothers me so much, probably do to my religious beliefs (or there for lack of) if you want to pray thats fine.. but leading the whole audience in one. i dont know bugs me.

Gee I hate to be the one to say it but that is kind of assinine. You get in a big wreck and have your life on the line....you're gonna wish somebody would have prayed for your sorry butt!
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
You know if you really wanted to, you can sue them for that, its quite illegal.
Gee, where did YOU go to law school? Walmart? There is no law against praying at a sporting event that is not governmentally controlled. Last I heard NASCAR is a private entity and as such they can do whatever they darned well please. You don't like? Go to a gokart track.

Wickdmarz
08-21-2004, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by gladhatter
Gee I hate to be the one to say it but that is kind of assinine. You get in a big wreck and have your life on the line....you're gonna wish somebody would have prayed for your sorry butt!

Gee, where did YOU go to law school? Walmart? There is no law against praying at a sporting event that is not governmentally controlled. Last I heard NASCAR is a private entity and as such they can do whatever they darned well please. You don't like? Go to a gokart track.

Whats with the LAME personal attack...Gees why blow up on me, when I didn't start on the thread? Obviously it bother someone else, so send it that way. Plus this board isn't about personal attacks, watch it or you'll get banned for doing that.

But I believe they can sue for a huge public pray on.

1 They didn't get permission

2 You didn't pay to pray

3 You can sue for just about anything.

You can say you don't feel comfortable to go to your favorite NASCAR races because of the praying. And in turn say you're emotionally stressed because of that. Then you would ask for a public apology from NASCAR and have a waiver of some sort. Well thats all if you win...

No I wouldn't want someone praying for me, I rather have a paramedic working his/her butt off to save my life.

Sorry this is hijacking the thread...Back on topic

nissanguy_24
08-21-2004, 09:14 AM
I dont want any one to pray for me. Honestly im indifferent to the idea. Sorry fo thats "assinine" to you, but thats just how it works. Instead of preying they could call a doctor or something, it will work alot better.

If you wish to debate me or wickdmarz thats one thing, i am up to it, i am sure she is as well. However stupid personal attacks will no longer be allowed on this website.