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princess_hachi
07-02-2004, 04:00 PM
anyone drive a volvo 240, the old school sedan/wagon. i think those things are bad *Censored**Censored**Censored*. they are rear wheel drive, they can be turbo charged, and they are cheap. anyone ever though of that. you would still be in some thing with 240 on it, but you would be different. just a thought.

Spy001
07-02-2004, 05:45 PM
its funny you mention that...i was in my 240 driving normal, when a car full of guys passed me in a old volvo 240, yelled "hey watch this!" and slid around a corner very nicely...funny stuff

Drift IT
07-02-2004, 05:58 PM
i have a small clip that i picked up off of kazaa with a volvo 240 drifting somewhere in the mountains it was pretty neat

clay payton
07-02-2004, 06:27 PM
my GF just got an old 240 4-door. it's a 1983, i can't believe how tight the turning radius is, it's crazy.

those cars are fun.

Parry
07-02-2004, 06:41 PM
Oh man. 240's are ownage...my old man rocks a wagon with 296,000 miles on it. Original motor, original tranny, second clutch, original rear end. Doesn't burn a drop of oil, and runs like a top.

People swap 5.0 motors and Chevy smallblocks and stuff into them.

I want one...to the point where I'm thinking about taking a trip up to Maine where there's a guy who does those swaps to learn more about it. I wouldn't have money for it for at least a year, but eventually...

Emagdnim
07-02-2004, 06:47 PM
I like the older p1800. One of the most attractive volvo's IMO. The 240 is a good car though very reliable(if you don't beat the hell out of it). Heres a pic of an older p1800.

Ichi-Go
07-02-2004, 07:38 PM
There was a guy in Tampa for DDay2 sporting a volvo. I had some videos. If I find them I will post.

Parry
07-02-2004, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by Emagdnim
I like the older p1800. One of the most attractive volvo's IMO. The 240 is a good car though very reliable(if you don't beat the hell out of it). Heres a pic of an older p1800.

Damn, I totally forgot about the p1800.

So hot, want to touch the hieney...:p

98BlueStang'
07-02-2004, 10:25 PM
My friend has a stock turbo and intercooled Volvo wagon. Not sure if it is the 240 you are talking about but that thing hauls!. I want to buy it off him. the thing is sweet.

princess_hachi
07-03-2004, 01:20 AM
yeah, volvos are the secret drift mobil. my friend has one and wants to do the 5.0 swap. just thought i would ask if anyone else heard of this kind of thing, i guess you guys have. i still think ill keep my ae86, but maybe when i have a family....

Ripper
07-03-2004, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by clay payton
i can't believe how tight the turning radius is, it's crazy.

those cars are fun.

turning radius huh? does anyone know how that works along with steering/turning ratio? is it when you steer and how far the front wheels go? anyone?

05m0515
07-03-2004, 01:51 AM
my buddy has a 79 240 dl. it OWNS!!!!!!!!!drifting is easy and handling is amazing!!!!!! any part you could ever want for these older volvos can be found at www.ipdusa.com 242 turbos are AWESOME!!!!!!!! check this one out. there is TONS of motor swaps available aswell as suspesion and brake upgrades available!!!! i am planning on making a roadrace/scca solo2/drift day car out of a 242 as soon as i find one. and there CHEAP!!!!!!!like less than $1500 for GREAT condition cars!!!!!!!!in case you cant tell i really love these things...check out the
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for more info and cars + parts for sale
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05m0515
07-03-2004, 01:57 AM
hell they even do carbon fiber drop vent hoods on these badboys!!!!!!!
http://www.turbobricks.com/img/gallery/480.jpg
takumi style fog lights
http://www.turbobricks.com/img/gallery/chris-1.jpg
ready for action...
http://www.turbobricks.com/img/gallery/Picture_080.jpg

05m0515
07-03-2004, 01:59 AM
sorry, i just had to add that these are some of the most popular drift cars in europe. i have about 5-6 vidsof them RIPPIN up the drift course that ill post up soon as i find the links...man these things RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

princess_hachi
07-03-2004, 02:00 AM
wow, maybe now i want one more then my 86. those pics are sweet. volvos will take over this scene in no time.

05m0515
07-03-2004, 02:11 AM
i know, seriously...i mean cheap, reliable, RWD, TURBO, motor swaps, trick suspension bits...must i go on??????

twcfc3s
07-03-2004, 02:47 AM
*Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* yeah...!! go for it im with you...yould de drifting like a moffo with one of those....take it...those just need a front spoiler and youre in!!!...take it noww!!

Wickdmarz
07-03-2004, 09:46 AM
I don't know much about the 240, but I wouldn't mind having the 740 turbo. Wish I could find one that isn't a rust bucket. But those things tear *Censored**Censored**Censored*-fault.

Yea I probably would agree with the secret drifting mobile stuff...volvo are awesome cars but not everyone wants to drive a volvo. Always japanese imports...but I wouldn't mind taking a bmw, mercedes or porsche to drift. :D

Parry
07-03-2004, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Wickdmarz
I don't know much about the 240, but I wouldn't mind having the 740 turbo.

They make a 760 turbo :D That's ownage.

Looking at these pictures sure does make me want to get off my rear and start looking into a Volvo project.

twcfc3s
07-03-2004, 02:19 PM
shizzle...

Vinsanity
07-03-2004, 03:42 PM
haha sweet

I used to drive a Volvo 240 back in HS and part of college...I did donuts and fishtails in parking lots to mess around and stuff, but I never thought that anyone would see it as a good drift car...
...that's pretty awesome :)

man...now I wish I still had that car :(
I wanted to swap in a 350 into it when the engine crapped out at 270k miles but my dad wouldn't help me spend $3000 to put a new engine in a $1500 car :(

princess_hachi
07-03-2004, 04:04 PM
the vovlo seems cool because its a good car to goof around in, plus it can carry more then two people. if you get the wagon, you can carry all kinds of stuff. i cant fit nothing in my 86. volvo drift action rules.

Parry
07-03-2004, 07:11 PM
After doing some reading, it seems that you can make real power with Volvo's turbo 4 cylenders. Guys squeeze 300+ horse power out of them with some work...but not nearly as much work as you'd imagine. 300 horse with an upgraded turbo and modifications for better fueling and spark, as well as shaving the pistons 1mm to lower compression to 7:1. That's pretty sweet.

I'm sold. I've been looking into getting a rear wheel drive car, and I think an old 2-door 242 is gonna be the one. I don't know why I didn't think to look this stuff up sooner.

Oki Drifter
07-03-2004, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by princess_hachi
the vovlo seems cool because its a good car to goof around in, plus it can carry more then two people. if you get the wagon, you can carry all kinds of stuff. i cant fit nothing in my 86. volvo drift action rules.

AND since they're volvo if you ever get into a bad accident or fall off of your favorite touge, you have a better chance of living through it than if it were an japanese or american or german car:D :D

hardcoredrift
07-03-2004, 08:29 PM
OMG the Volvo P1800 is a beautiful car WOW nicest volvo i have ever seen. if its RWD i would love to drift in that thing seeing it drift would be awesome. im going to start searchin for those babies.

and when i went to europe i have also seen mostly volvos drifting and BMWs.



ooooo that car gives me quivers

Emagdnim
07-03-2004, 08:59 PM
I worked in a shop that specializes in Volvos and saabs for 2 years and would just like to share some of my experience with them. They aren't the easiest to work on( The sweedish like to do things backwards). Parts can be expensive depending on where you get them from. Shops that work on them are few and far between. There is some aftermarket support but not much.

On the good side they are very reliable, safe, and economical. Many of them come stock turboed and intercooled and can be made to produce decent power.

Also I wanted to add alittle about the p1800. There were two guys that I worked with that were restoreing p1800's and according to them they don't make to much power, about 80-90hp depending on condition(power isn't everything). And yes I beleive they are RWD.

spinitsidewayz!
07-03-2004, 09:08 PM
hmm.. so the volvo 240 would be the 240sx to us but for the europeans eh? that one looks sweet:)

Vinsanity
07-03-2004, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Oki Drifter
AND since they're volvo if you ever get into a bad accident or fall off of your favorite touge, you have a better chance of living through it than if it were an japanese or american or german car:D :D

haha that's good to know seeing that it's a wee bit hard to keep the car on the road :p
based on my experience driving the Volvo, I personally wouldn't use it for touge runs

Emagdnim...good point bringing up the parts issue...finding parts for Volvos can be a b!tch, and people should give that some thought

mranlet
07-03-2004, 09:27 PM
Didn't Shin Kudo buy a Mercedes 190E 16V? I want to know how that project is going...

Volvos also aren't found in many junkyards because they just run FOREVER and are then bought by enthusiasts.

If you surf the Euro drifting boards and use Babelfish to translate, I'm sure that you could find a lot about the 240s and 740s. Additionally, I've been told by multiple Euro guys that the 5-cylinder turbo can make 500hp for around the same money as it would take just to drop in a SR20DET to a Nissan ($7k for a good swap)

-MR

05m0515
07-04-2004, 12:04 AM
every time i read this i get the chills


ONE HOT LAP' with Ulf Granberg in a 240 Turbo Group A
Written by Angus MacKenzie - Editor, Wheels magazine, Australia.
Reprint permission granted. Contributed by Anthony Hyde

MONZA Race Circuit - Italy 1986

We flashed past Monza's pit lane. The tacho's showing 7,000 rpm, the turbo boost gauge is reading 1.4 bar (20.5 psi). That means over 250 km/h and we've just shot past the 200 metre braking marker at the first chicane. Not 10 minutes earlier European Touring Car Champion Thomas Lindstrom had driven slowly around the fast 5.8 km Monza circuit and carefully explained the breaking and gearchange points. "Keep right and brake at 200 metres," he said as we dawdled into Monza's first chicane in Volvo 740 Turbo Estate. So even as team-mate Ulf Granberg, now chauffeuring me in the works Volvo 240T Group A race car, finally mashed the brake pedal at the 150 metre mark, I knew he was having a big go.

The full harness bites into my shoulders as the Volvo squirms under brakes. Bam! Bam! Bam! Granberg heels and toes back to second gear with machine gun rapidity, swinging the suede covered Momo steering wheel hard left into the first part of the chicane.

Even as we bounce off the kerbing, Granberg dabs at the throttle and throws the Volvo to the right, up and over the kerb. Suddenly the 240T spits sideways - simultaneously Granberg grabs an armful of opposite lock and boots the accelerator. He brings the car back onto line by the scruff of its neck.

We jumped the kerbs again on the second left-right kink of the chicane then on the gas hard - third, fourth, fifth - into the Curva Grande. He feathers the throttle through the long sweeping right hander, the Volvo's inside wheels lifting as we delicately walk the tight-rope between under and oversteer.

Past the clipping point and hard on the throttle again as we scream down toward the second chicane. Granberg stands on the brakes as we flash under the Campari bridge, rapid fire again back to second gear as he steadies the Volvo for the single left-right flick ahead.

We bounce the kerbs again and it's full-bore into the double apex Curve di Lesmo. We charge through the first Lesmo flat in third, then Granberg grabs fourth as we slide up onto the kerbing in readiness for the second Lesmo.

Again the Volvo corkscrews as the outside tyres bite and the inside wheels lift clear of the tarmac. We run wide up onto the kerbing again - "You must use all the track" as Granberg grabs fifth through the gentle left hand kink on the run down to the Variante Ascari.

We're flat in fifth as the track dips under Monza's huge banked oval. The Variante Ascari, named after the great Italian World Champion killed there while testing in 1955, is the fastest of Monza's three chicanes. Granberg hauls the Volvo back from just on 250 km/h and downshifts twice. We're over the kerb on the first left hander but the left hand wheels are in the air so there's no shock through the suspension. A stab on the throttle and then through the next right-left wiggle, Granberg sawing at the wheel as the car drifts from kerb to kerb.

Full bore, full boost and 340 bhp hurls us down the short straight towards the Parabolica. It's tight, deceptively tight - at first we seem to be travelling way too quickly - but Granberg clips the inside kerb clearly and lets the Volvo run wide for the run onto the main straight. Get the Parabolica right and you'll be quick all the way down the main straight. Get it wrong... The brilliant Austrian Jochen Rindt died here in his Lotus in 1970. He was posthumously awarded the World Championship.

Granberg brings the Volvo into the pit lane at a brisk clip. The stop watches confirm we've lapped within a second or two of race pace. Full face helmets, the brap-brap of the exhaust and the howl of the drive train make conversation impossible, but Granberg, the Swedish train driver who led yesterday's first round of the European Touring Car Championship until a head gasket blew on the Volvo, turns and lifts his eyebrow quizzically. My thumbs up sign is returned with a nod. END.

Parry
07-04-2004, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Emagdnim
I worked in a shop that specializes in Volvos and saabs for 2 years and would just like to share some of my experience with them. They aren't the easiest to work on( The sweedish like to do things backwards). Parts can be expensive depending on where you get them from. Shops that work on them are few and far between. There is some aftermarket support but not much.


Eh...volvos to me are no more foriegn than Volkswagens, which I wouldn't consider hard to fix. Having worked on my and my family's Volvos and VW's, they're easier for me then Toyota or Nissan. Once you get the hang of it neither of them are very complicated.

There's more aftermarket support then I thought at first. I had the same fear, but it seems you just need to know where to look or who to ask. Unfortunately, I don't yet, but from what I can see there's no shortage. A lot of it's across the pond, so you'll get boned on shipping.

I've driven my old man's '88 5 speed 240 wagon many times, but I'd never pushed it at all seeing how it wasn't my car. I borrowed it last night and worked it through a few corners, and it's really not too bad. The crippling factors are the apparent lack (although they're on there, the freakin things must be made out of spaghetti) swaybars, and the overly soft suspension. It doesn't help at all that the car has 296,000 on it I'm sure.(and still runs great! All those miles and it doesn't burn oil and still has a little go.) Volvo steering is fairly well weighted and linear, and even with the stock suspension it tracks through the corners fairly well. I didn't push to the absolute limit, again it's not my car, so I can't really say much about that but within traction it's pretty predictable.

Braking is dominating. Everything in our car is OEM in good running order, and when you stomp the brake pedal it feels like you just ran into an invisible wall. Pedal feel is solid and direct. The car really overachieves here. Volvos have had 4 wheel disk brakes from the factory for ages...I just aksed my old man, and he thought about it and said "well....my '67 144 had four wheel disks. That's about when they started..." :eek:

Surprisingly, they only weigh about 3200 pounds depending on model, right about the same as a camaro. They feel as solid as a vault, and as everyone knows they crash well. Weight distribution is aprox. 56/44, actually better then a Camaro.

Now, there is bad news. Like I said, you HAVE to do swaybars and suspension, or else you're not gonna be getting far. I would grab pretty much every other brace I could get my hands on and try to keep things in a line. The other is that they're not exactly horsepower monsters in stock form, but that can be addressed. Limited slip was available in some cars, as a realitively expensive factory-installed option. Limited slip setups are available aftermarket though.

Another beef, although it may just be me, is the height of the pedals. They're fine for normal driving, and the left-right orientation is good, but I wish the brake was a little lower. You have to squirm around a little more then I like to heel toe, because even when you have all four wheels locked the brake is barely even with the gas. Really I suppose that's due to how good the brakes are(there's virtually no slop), but it would be nice if you could adjust the pedal height to bring it down a little bit and facilitate heel-toe. For all I know you probably can, but I haven't tried soooo.

Although the general quality of the interior isn't bad, and the seats are fairly comfortable, they are ill-suited to spirited driving. YOu can probably retrofit some from a newer model, as they got more side bolstering later on and such. Aftermarket seats are also an option. None of them seem to have tachs either, a real peeve. You could probably make due with one on the steering column if you didn't want to look like a hoser by mounting it on the dash. I'm sure there are also ones floating around with factory tachs you could swap the guage cluster out of.

As far as performance goes, it's possible to pull 160-170 horse out of the 2.3, still normally aspirated. Apparently, all you really need to do this is headwork and a cam. Also, turbocharging is retardedly easy due to all the factory turbo cars Volvo made. You can swap those setups over, and everything bolts right up. The motors are absolutely bombproof, and good for a fair amount of boost and rpm. The weak link is really the transmission, which doesn't take all too well to repeated long term rape. Volvo bellhousings for 5.0 Mustang transmissions can be had, and apparnetly it's not an overly complicated swap. With one of those in place, you're pretty much good to go. With limited slip you can't get enough tire under the rear to shock the diff into giving up, so apparently that's not a problem.

Anyway, that's more or less the story. That was waaaay long. As you can see, I had a lazy saturday reading up and driving these cars. Reading and test driving, not a bad summer saturday :D

Vinsanity
07-04-2004, 10:07 AM
yeah under the hood does look ridiculously simple, but damn if you ever need to buy replacement parts. I would highly recommend getting a good parts car. with prices of European car parts being what they are, I would imagine a parts car would more than pay for itself in time

Parry
07-04-2004, 10:22 AM
there is plenty of parts in the junkyard, and you can find parts and donor cars pretty easily.

At least around here. Lots of Volvos up this way...

05m0515
07-04-2004, 02:49 PM
actually theres lots of volvos everywhere. here in washington theres a couple of all volvo/saab junkyards, so parts aint nothin...

Emagdnim
07-04-2004, 03:08 PM
Its not that there hard to understand. Its that alot of things are difficult to get at. Some bolts seem almost impossible to fit a wrench on. Or at least thats what I remeber, it has been awhile since I've been under the hood of one.

Parry
07-04-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Emagdnim
Its not that there hard to understand. Its that alot of things are difficult to get at. Some bolts seem almost impossible to fit a wrench on. Or at least thats what I remeber, it has been awhile since I've been under the hood of one.

Perhaps. I know some jobs are kinda annoying, but the stuff I've done hasn't been bad. Then again, I drive a Volkswagen, so perhaps my definition of "bad" is a little worse then average ;) The 240's easier then the later transverse-mounted FWD volvos...much more room around the motor. Perhaps you worked on one of those?

twcfc3s
07-04-2004, 05:11 PM
some people had tell me that those engines arent that complicated...

Emagdnim
07-04-2004, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Parry
Perhaps. I know some jobs are kinda annoying, but the stuff I've done hasn't been bad. Then again, I drive a Volkswagen, so perhaps my definition of "bad" is a little worse then average ;) The 240's easier then the later transverse-mounted FWD volvos...much more room around the motor. Perhaps you worked on one of those?

yep the transverse engines were harder to work on. The absolute worst though would have to be the older backwards mounted saabs. They used to get oil leaks at the crank pulley, which was up aganist the firewall. So you had like 1.5 to 2 inchs of room to work. I don't have to tell ya they were a nightmare to work on. Not to bad mouth Saab(my parents buy nothing but saabs) they are just as reliable as Volvo's there just a *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* if somthing does go wrong(usually from owner neglect).

Parry
07-04-2004, 07:24 PM
lol I know jack about saabs, and I've sorta always felt I wanted to keep it that way ;).