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driftmunky
12-03-2003, 09:27 PM
I know this might belong in the tech forum but i just wanted to ask this quick question, for all you MA70 guys, do you know if a MkIII comes stock with an LSD? if its only certain years or whatever that would be helpful to know, im lookin at buyin one now and justy thought about that. thanks

ACDSupra7
12-04-2003, 01:50 AM
All sport package equipped MA70s come with LSD. The sport package is a regular dealer's option that consists of LSD, TEMS, and a few other goodys. TEMS, if you're wondering, stands for "Toyota Electronically Modulated Suspension". It's basically active chassis. You can change the suspension setting from hard to soft with the push of a button.

On the downside, these cars are heavy. However, 3200 lbs is pretty much safe for MA70 drivers. The MA70 curbed stock at about 3400. Racing seats, back-seat removal, and spare-tire removal will put you at 3200 lbs. It's possible to get it slightly under 3000lbs (basically FD weight), but you're going to have to strip the whole car =P

As far as the weight thing goes, you're just going to have to be careful when you're starting out. Exiting corners isn't going to be fun in the beginning. These heavy cars have the tendency to slide out (toward the wall), forcing you to ease of the gas, regain traction, and wiggle (that's what happened back in the day when I started out -_^). Anyhow, it is possible to go WOT on the corner exit, but just get used to transfering the weight and the overall weight of the car first.

In case you haven't done your hw, the USDM MA70 came with 2 engine choices:

7MGE - 200hp; n/a (Currently what I'm running)
7MGTE - 230 (232 for '89+)

In Japan, there was a JZA70 Twin Turbo featuring the 280hp 1JZGTTE. It's not an uncommong swap, if you're looking for more power.

Personally I prefer the responsiveness of the 7MGE over the turbo, but that's just me.

If you're looking for parts, www.suprasport.com is a great place to start. They've got the BoMeX body kit, CFX's signature MA70 CF hood... they have TEIN and HKS coilover setups, RS-R springs, etc... check 'em out.

Bottom line: They're heavy cars, but they're always a blast to drive. Just don't go too crazy on your first couple of runs with it, and you'll be fine.

emission
12-04-2003, 04:59 AM
The supra is a very expensive vehicle to maintain and modify. All I can say is good luck. It's been a year and I finally got a handle on how my car reacts to my actions fully stock. Now all I need is a bulletproof motor.

ACDSupra7
12-04-2003, 11:18 AM
The only thing disaster prone on an MA70 is the headgasket. Watch it.

driftmunky
12-04-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by ACDSupra7
The only thing disaster prone on an MA70 is the headgasket. Watch it.

Thats what ive heard, and im currently looking for a turbo version (with a sport package for the LSD) if anyone happen to come upon one, also, i know im counting my chickens, but ive already got some mods in mind for when i do get it, see what you think.

Blitz Nurspec Catback
Blitz SUS Power Intake
Boost Controller
Head Gasket
Strut Tower Braces
Random Technology Downpipe
CF Hood
Bomex (type 2 i believe) Front Lip

And maybe some lowering springs jsut for kicks, of course this is all what i plan to do through high school/college so its not gonna be immediate or anything, and also, youll notice i dont have many suspension parts on there because i prolly wont be able to push out that much cash for a while and wanna work on the engine first, but i will have suspension in there, anyway i g2g lemme know your thoughts

lv2drft
12-04-2003, 07:52 PM
put some suspension on it if you plan on drifting it. thats a heavy car, it could use the new suspension. the turbo has enough power for you to start out with, and def. dont go loading it up with power stuff. unless you dont wanna drift. then it would be ok.

ACDSupra7
12-04-2003, 08:16 PM
The Bomex A1 kit. I love that kit.

Turbo is probably not the best choice if you wanna bring that thing to the canyons, but that's all you. You're mods are pretty right on, but luv2 is right. You need to concentrate on suspension. An anti-sway bar will help you initially, and look into some coilovers for the long run. (I'm looking at JIC).

Also, weight reduction is your friend. For something like $200 you can get Sparco Speed seats, which is about a 100 pound drop. Good luck, and welcome to the MA70 drifting life -_^

driftmunky
12-04-2003, 08:31 PM
now that i rethink it, i shouldve gone ahead and put coilovers in there, that was my initial plan, but i got kinda power hungry lookin through suprastore.com and suprasport.com, does Tein make anyting for MA70's? or how about those new Tanabe DD coilovers? anyone got any info on who has these? ill talk to chas later tonight but if he doesnt get on could you all post some links? anyway, ill prolly cut most of that stuff, stick with like a downpipe, blitz nurspec, blitz SUS power, and a boost controller, then do suspension, hood, lip, and rims/tires

BTW anyone got any suggestions for rims? the only two ive seen that i like are volk te37's (i love those) and maybe some Konig Heliums....any suggestions/links?

BTW what is the reasoning for suggesting the non-turbo version?

ACDSupra7
12-04-2003, 08:44 PM
You're in luck. TEIN makes their popular Type Flex and EDFC combo for the MA70.

The 7MGTE lacks some of the response that GE gives. Like I said, if you're going to be doing primarily touge, turbo is probably not the best way to start. You can upgrade to turbo for well under $1000 if you want. Or just go straight to the 1JZ.

driftmunky
12-04-2003, 08:59 PM
arent the flex series bad for drifitng?

ACDSupra7
12-04-2003, 09:10 PM
I haven't heard anything about it. But nothing beats EDFC -_^

Anyhow, I'm guessing the JIC setup of Kei-Office setup would work best for drifting.

driftmunky
12-04-2003, 09:26 PM
link?

MA70DRIFTER
12-24-2003, 05:54 PM
I Forgot where I heard this but I heard There was a pretty well known drifter in Japan who Drifted a stock 1989 MA70 with a 7mGE motor and it only had an intake. Do you guys know anything of this?

turbo-a.net
08-17-2004, 07:01 AM
The car drifted was the 7M-GTE Turbo-A spec supra.

Im not too sure on the details of the driver, but the kit I've got says "Drift King", Im not sure if thats true or not.

The Turbo-A spec Supras were all LSD, 199kw. Body code : BLMXZ. 1530kg.

More info @ www.turbo-a.net (http://www.turbo-a.net)

Wickdmarz
08-17-2004, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by driftmunky
I know this might belong in the tech forum but i just wanted to ask this quick question, for all you MA70 guys, do you know if a MkIII comes stock with an LSD? if its only certain years or whatever that would be helpful to know, im lookin at buyin one now and justy thought about that. thanks

Damn this would have been soooo much quicker, if you search google first.

Whatever, I'm still pissed off at my perdicament...emission knows what I'm talking about.... :mad:

ma71supraturbo
08-18-2004, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by driftmunky
does Tein make anyting for MA70's?

http://www.supramania.com/phpBB2/files/A70coilover3.jpg

These are all of the readily available coilovers for the mk3 supra. There are a number of very limited production kits from other companies you may be able to track down second-hand from japan, but by the time you rebuilt them you'd probably come out ahead to buy a new kit.


As for the LSD question -- all turbo mk3's have it, and the NA mk3's with the sport package have it. It is a fairly stout 1.5-way clutch type, but you will still want to change the fluid regularly. Also, adding that special "lsd additive" will make the lsd less aggressive, so don't automatically buy it because you think it'll make the lsd rock -- that stuff is designed to prevent the lsd from chattering when you're going 1mph in a parking lot with the steering wheel fully cranked.




And as for turbo vs na: A stock NA has enough power for drifting, but personally I couldn't see maintaining higher speed slides with it. And it is a hard engine to get more power out of. However the non-turbo engine has a very linear power delivery -- it makes 80% of its peak torque from like 1800rpm through 6000rpm. This means it is much easier to modulate the throttle.

A stock turbo car is probably worse for drifting than a non-turbo, but if you add full exhaust you'll get more power and better spool time. Unfortunately modulating the throttle with a turbo is more difficult and it will take a lot of practice to adjust your throttle without coming out of boost (and then having to wait for it to spool again). The stock turbo (ct-26) is quite large for it's day as a stock turbo -- only the Buick Grand National came with a larger turbo from the factory -- so it doesn't spool as nicely as other factory turbo'd cars...

turbo-a.net
10-07-2004, 03:04 AM
http://www.turbo-a.net/images/upload/IMG_1785.jpg
Me drifting in my 292kw 7M
www.turbo-a.net

Darkstar
10-07-2004, 01:01 PM
I'd personally take a stock 7M-GTE and swap the engine from a JZX100 (Mark II) or a JZZ30 (Soarer GT Twin Turbo) and match it to a nice Getrag V161 from a JZA80 (Supra Mk. IV). 1JZ has tons of power potential, twin turbos which which make the lag smaller when compared to a stock 7M car, and the "JZ" in the name, which means hat it has a practically bulletproof block. I don't think that swappping a 2JZ in would be a good idea. As far as I remember, the weakpoint of a 2JZ were the connecting rods, as they were quite long when compared to those from a 1JZ (2JZ is basically a stroked 1JZ), what made them more, let's say, "flexible". And you won't need to change all the electronic stuff lice the harness etc. to make it works. In a 1JZ you will just have to swap the stuff from the other car and drive it.

Kingsoup
10-19-2004, 11:53 AM
The MA70 curbed stock at about 3400. Racing seats, back-seat removal, and spare-tire removal will put you at 3200 lbs. It's possible to get it slightly under 3000lbs (basically FD weight), but you're going to have to strip the whole car =P

Which MA70 is that? the Hardtop N/A 86 you mean? Most 89+ targa cars (most are targa from what I hear) are 3450 or something. All us Turbo guys are like 3600lbs STOCK, with fuel its like 3700. Best car is those 86-88 N/A hardtops that are SUPPOSED to be around 3350 but those are the stripped ones with no LSD ect, A/C ect.

I'd think in the begging you'd want a N/A car but you really do need the power of the turbo for faster stuff. I found at 12psi on the Ct you need 80% throttle too overpower a half decent pair of 225's when sliding at say 35mph.

I've slid in smaller cars (Mk2 Supra @ 3050lbs 190hp6M) and you can really notice that turn transitions are made much easier with a lighter car BUT having lots of hp means easier slide induction and its fairly stable with its big weight (GTE car)once you get going.

In a 1JZ you will just have to swap the stuff from the other car and drive it.

Its not for the faint of heart a 1JZ swap, lots of harnass work, IC work, wiring ect, not as easy as some say, at least its well documented eh?

BTW my final word on older 7MGTE MA70's are that they are a super pig for maintanince. Anything that can will go wrong. And if you are even a quart low on oil you can starve the pickup and damage your bearings (leaking turbo+ down a quart + drifto @ 5000rpm = spun rod bearing) Older GTE cars can leak oil from a dozen places, all can get you down on oil, and then BLAM! rod knock.

I'd get a N/A if I could do it over again, so much less hassle and not 20mpg on Premium!@#@#

NISMOZERO
01-01-2005, 02:35 PM
heres mine on tein super streets
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/NISMOZERO/Picture003.jpg
i get good deals on tein suspension, let me know!

300zxttfreak
03-23-2005, 05:32 PM
Real nice, that is what Im getting is Tein SS dampers :D

but I was wondering, where could I find 1jz engines for sale at? and also how hard is it and what do i need to look out for?

and what do you all think would look better TRD Sports T3 or Volk SE37k?
thanks in advanced

kineticdb8r
03-23-2005, 06:00 PM
The Bomex A1 kit. I love that kit.

Turbo is probably not the best choice if you wanna bring that thing to the canyons, but that's all you. You're mods are pretty right on, but luv2 is right. You need to concentrate on suspension. An anti-sway bar will help you initially, and look into some coilovers for the long run. (I'm looking at JIC).

Also, weight reduction is your friend. For something like $200 you can get Sparco Speed seats, which is about a 100 pound drop. Good luck, and welcome to the MA70 drifting life -_^


I disagree as far as for canyon driving. My turbo MA70 was a blast, and very fun to drift! the weight sucks...3700 with me and a full tank of gas, but it still will handle....swaybars!!!swaybars!!!!swaybar!!!!


here is a pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/kineticgsr/supra1.jpg

NISMOZERO
03-25-2005, 07:23 PM
hey kineticdb8r! could you take a pic of your front lip, how you did it and what kind did you use as could see i need it too! :D :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/NISMOZERO/jayma70.jpg
OEM lip is expensive or if somebody has one, i'll buy it

WytKnight
03-25-2005, 09:29 PM
I drive a Ma60 myself but my buddy has a MA70 we are working on. The CT26 turbo can net a little more power with a different elbow pipe. www.rabidchimp.com makes one. Its in the MkII turbo section but it is a MKIII part. Also thier improved intercooler can help net a few more HP. All the M series blocks had a head gasket issue. They are very intolerant to overheating. I have found better cooling and a metal head gasket rounds out the bullet proof M series blocks. Also some TRD test drivers have said Increasing the head bolt torque using new bolts also is a cure. Id advise junking the factory TEMS. Remove ALL of the air conditioner garbage if you want to reduce weight. Remember to have a repair shop discharge the AC for safety and legal reasons. Get the best coil over system you can buy, newer sway bars and a full suspension bushing kit never hurts either.

just my $.02

kineticdb8r
03-25-2005, 09:50 PM
I drive a Ma60 myself but my buddy has a MA70 we are working on. The CT26 turbo can net a little more power with a different elbow pipe. www.rabidchimp.com makes one. Its in the MkII turbo section but it is a MKIII part. Also thier improved intercooler can help net a few more HP. All the M series blocks had a head gasket issue. They are very intolerant to overheating. I have found better cooling and a metal head gasket rounds out the bullet proof M series blocks. Also some TRD test drivers have said Increasing the head bolt torque using new bolts also is a cure. Id advise junking the factory TEMS. Remove ALL of the air conditioner garbage if you want to reduce weight. Remember to have a repair shop discharge the AC for safety and legal reasons. Get the best coil over system you can buy, newer sway bars and a full suspension bushing kit never hurts either.

just my $.02



factory specs for head bolt torque are wrong for sure......I went 30lbs over I think......never had an issue after my HG issue....ditched AC..etc

good metal HG adn a super cooling system and you are gold

kineticdb8r
03-25-2005, 09:53 PM
hey kineticdb8r! could you take a pic of your front lip, how you did it and what kind did you use as could see i need it too! :D :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/NISMOZERO/jayma70.jpg
OEM lip is expensive or if somebody has one, i'll buy it

I used some plastic sheet for my lip..alas I no longer have the car to take a pic...I'll see what I can dig up as far as old pics


the plastice sheet came from a dirt track/oval track supply place...just some flexible plastic really.... pop riviet on and you are good to go.

I went long and trimmed when I found out where it was scaping on the ground :D

ma71supraturbo
03-25-2005, 10:19 PM
the mk2 is actually "bigger" than the mk3 (in terms of length). It is lighter, and certainly doesn't feel as big (until you turn that steering wheel 500 times over to countersteer ;))


As for weight, my '87 hardtop turbo started out at 3620lbs (with an automatic). I've since gutted it, put on a home-made fiberglass hood, and swapped to a manual. Last I checked it was at 3050lbs, but I've since added coilovers (lighter) and installed some additional bracing (heavier)

Jeff

NISMOZERO
03-30-2005, 06:15 PM
but i do have an extra set of eibach prokits at our shop that i am selling probably w/ the front KYB GR2 struts. let me know guys if you guys want it 626 815 0355 . i just used it for half a year then went with the tein SS . :)

NISMOZERO
03-30-2005, 07:45 PM
hey guys i was browsing some pics, do you guys know what kind of wing or who made it? and what do you guys think. me thinks i like.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/NISMOZERO/MA70.bmp

ma71supraturbo
03-31-2005, 12:03 AM
I believe that is the regulus wing, the front bumper is either regulus, or the MAXX knock-off "Evo" bumper

NISMOZERO
03-31-2005, 03:40 PM
anybody got a hook up for regulus?

supra87maniac
08-29-2009, 01:00 PM
You need ARP HEAD STUDS and BOLTS! Seriously get rid of the headgasket problem, and after that its practically bullet proof. 9 times out of 10 the weakness in the 7m engine is the owner. Check out supramania for your technical questions, the guys on there are true supra mk3 fanatics. You WILL find out anything you need to know on them, probably not much on suspension setups for drifting but anything engine wise. For parts check out suprasport.com and driftmotion.com, seriously good mk3 sites. Also horsepowerfreaks.com has tons of parts for the supra mk3. Its not hard to find parts for these cars you just have to know where to look.

drift1991
09-01-2009, 08:15 PM
^+1 I totally agree, its a very informative site. Just make sure to search before you post.