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WDC
12-05-2003, 02:57 PM
My friend who was at SEMA said he met a guy who was involved with a series thats been in development for nearly a year called the World Drift Championships. He said they were having their drift competitions on REAL city streets!!!!

We have just been contacted by the administrators of drifting.com regarding a recent post talking about the World Drift Championships.

As a representative of the WDC management team I am here to either confirm or dispel any rumors that may arise.

I can confirm and leak some information in that we are in negotiations with several different organizations regarding the WDC drift competitions being held in part on secure city streets for 2004.

As an organization headed by drifting enthusiasts we feel this is one of the most appropriate platforms for the drift battles to be held. Real street modified drift cars on real streets, makes sense.

The series will also include international drivers from America, Europe and Asia so we will get to see the many different types of driving styles that are currently developing around the world.

Official WDC press release will follow - Thanks for your support
Keep-It-Sideways. WDC Management

xler8
12-05-2003, 03:35 PM
As an organization headed by drifting enthusiasts we feel this is one of the most appropriate platforms for the drift battles to be held. Real street modified drift cars on real streets, makes sense.

Nice!!! I like the idea of the WDC competing on the streets because that's where I drive my car. How are they going to pull that off though closing down a series of city streets and which cities. Down Town L.A would be cool!!!! What other cities though would work??? Any in Florida

I just bought a S14 and have big plans...(like everyone else hahaha)

REBEL-D
12-05-2003, 05:40 PM
The series will also include international drivers from America, Europe and Asia so we will get to see the many different types of driving styles that are currently developing around the world.

Seems like there is alot happening in 2004 for drifting!

Is anyone on this forum plan on competing in any events or is it all just for fun like me

nrgdrft
12-05-2003, 07:10 PM
where would these be held at, how about georgia?i love the true street aspect of it.

xler8
12-05-2003, 08:23 PM
where would these be held at, how about georgia?i love the true street aspect of it.

True Street Drifting - Keeping it real WDC!!!!

I don't live in Miami but I can imagin a WDC street event there would be a bad *Censored**Censored**Censored* party event. Imagine pro drift cars screaming throught streets during the day and parting into the night!!!!

Sign me up!

What's Georgia like for street drifitng???

Maybe we should start campaining now for the WDC to come to our home cities? How many events are they having?

nrgdrft
12-05-2003, 09:49 PM
there are a few bad arse spots. i go to a nice road at these baseball feilds.and at this sea port place.i think georgia is a good place for a drift comp for the southeast people right?

silviaguy
12-06-2003, 12:18 AM
This all sound great! are you planning to come out to the mid-west? Better yet coming out to chicago? I would be willing to help out in any way I can.

Senshi Tenshi
12-06-2003, 10:39 PM
not baaad. tight
if it goes down where will it be?

xler8
12-07-2003, 11:40 PM
if it goes down where will it be?

That's what I wannna know too. Where are these drift events gonna be held, what cities and who decides? Who will be competing? Is this just a pro event or can amateurs enter.

Are just American drivers allowed like someone said SCCA is having? Probably not as it would be the World Drift Championships right!!!!

We have questions and we need answers!!!! please :D

nrgdrft
12-08-2003, 08:34 AM
amatures allowed for sure,as well as pro comp. no ridiculous entry fee. in any big city at a decent track i suppose or it would be way sweeter on close down roads.w/rubber barriers.there are drifters everywhere in us now so anymajor city would be a great place to start. and of course americans are alowed to compete.

optionvdo
12-08-2003, 12:14 PM
"Are just American drivers allowed like someone said SCCA is having? Probably not as it would be the World Drift Championships right!!!!"


The Formula drift event put on by Slipstream and sanctioned by SCCA is what you are referring to here I believe. Entry for drivers is open to anyone that wants to compete. Could be American, could be Japanese or European. The rule only states that D1 drivers may not compete this year. The event goal is to help strengthen the talent of those drivers so that one day they may perhaps compete in a heads up battle against D1 drivers. At the press conference at SEMA a number of Japanese manufacturers asked if they could compete in the series with Japanese drivers who have not competed in D1, and they answer was yes. With Slipstream still working closely with D1 on a number of items for the next D1 event it helps both groups work towards a goal to help grow drifting in America so we can continue to see the most exciting drifting possible.

180onthebricks.
12-08-2003, 01:36 PM
o0o0o..... team julius could compete nice

Chas
12-08-2003, 08:14 PM
Ok wow. We need ONE sacntion for drifting and the D1. We dont need 50 billion people starting up orgs.

driftxtreem
12-09-2003, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Chas
Ok wow. We need ONE sacntion for drifting and the D1. We dont need 50 billion people starting up orgs. Chas do you get the feeling that we will be forgot in the next week with all the new meets.

REBEL-D
12-09-2003, 02:47 AM
Ok wow. We need ONE sacntion for drifting and the D1. We dont need 50 billion people starting up orgs.

I think you are wrong Chas. In order for drifting to become accepted and able to grow we need "50 billion" people stating up orgs. One org for every major city in every country around the world, each org able to provide resources and facilities for local events and competitions where amateurs can learn and develop their skill in safe enviroment in order for them to have the opportunity to become the next pro D1 drivers!!!

How about you stop being so oppiniated about others who are trying to further our sport of drifting and you start your own drift org in the city where you live. Yeah get off your lazy *Censored**Censored**Censored* and do something for others instead of just yourself. Make a difference.

Go find a secure and safe location for drifting, sign up drivers, help develop the teams, provide the necessary training, provide the necessary insurance get the drivers off the streets and involved in your drift org!!!

Chas
12-09-2003, 08:08 AM
Ignorant. If you want drifting to grow, start up one program that everyone can join. That would mean that this group gets really big, in turn, more events, and better stuff. If we have a lot of small groups, drifting will never go anywhere. We need everyone to join together.

I think the SCCA is a GREAT thing. They hold autocross events in almost every state. They can do that for drifting to. But how is it going to flow smoothly if we have everyone in different sanctioning bodies?

CRASHDRIVE
12-09-2003, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by REBEL-D
Seems like there is alot happening in 2004 for drifting!

Is anyone on this forum plan on competing in any events or is it all just for fun like me

ME!!!! :) hope to see you there :) i'll be the suckiest one.. But i dont care, because I competed, while everybody is on the sideline! ha ha! :D

CRASHDRIVE
12-09-2003, 08:47 AM
Okay people.. I've been thinking about this IDEA for a long time (this might apply only in LA county and San Diego County).

I have a contact to rent out part of QUALCOMM Stadium. SCCA members and the PORCHE club meets every other sunday and race all over QUALCOMM statdium (also, street legal racing.com) I would like to form a SANCTION area for all LA and SD drifters (just being realistic, to all those outside california you're welcome to join). But the BIGGEST concern is the $$$ we need some donations or form some kind of CLUB here in SAN DIEGO that has Monthly fees (or Yearly fees). This way we can use that money to rent out QUALCOMM stadium and show to the public that this will be a safe sport and not drifting in the streets.

NOTE: if you like the idea, I will make another THREAD and lets see who would like to form this, and start a casual dinner meeting and ellaborate more of this.

THANK YOU.

REBEL-D
12-09-2003, 11:54 AM
Ignorant. If you want drifting to grow, start up one program that everyone can join. That would mean that this group gets really big, in turn, more events, and better stuff. If we have a lot of small groups, drifting will never go anywhere. We need everyone to join together.

One programe for everyone to join would be great but we are no were near that right now. The resorses need would be too great. We are nothing more than a scattered bunch of rebels who call our selves drifters who judging by this board can't even agree on what drifting is for christ sake! and besides who is actually drifting and where? Why are we not seeing more pictures and videos, there are aparently thousands of subscribers to this site.

Drifting is with out a doubt in it's infancy and it needs local enthusiasts to take a stand and say this is our sport - not SCCA,s not NHRA not IDRC we need our own identity we need to start our own small orgs accross the country catering to the drifters needs at local levels. Then one day all these orgs accross America and the world can merg and become one.

think the SCCA is a GREAT thing. They hold autocross events in almost every state. They can do that for drifting to. But how is it going to flow smoothly if we have everyone in different sanctioning bodies?

I think the SCCA could be good thing too but do you think they have me the you the drifters best interest at heart. I would rather see the SCDCA (Sports Car Drift Club of America). SCCA is not into drifting because they love it? They want to be a part of it for one reason only.. I have never gone to an SCCA nor a NHRA event and probably never will. I have been to many drift events from as far back as almost three years ago starting with SpeedTrailUSA and other drift enthusiasts who put on drift days at tracks and secure parking lots.

If we are not careful dirfting will loose any identity that is developing as we will be engulfed by a large corporate entity who bought us because we sold out. I can happen and it will happen.

Formula D
12-09-2003, 02:47 PM
You have to remember that SCCA is a part of drifting for sanctioning reasons, not profit. They are not even in charge of the events. For those of you that dont recall SCCA sanctioned D1 Grand Prix this last August to the benefit of D1. They made big safety portions and insurance issues easy for them. SCCa will probably sanction D1 again as well. SCCA simply provides the tech, safety and know-how of how to compete in a car and whatever the use of that car is inregards to racing. Whether it be for road racing, rallying or drifting for that matter is not significant. Additionally SCCA will license each driver who competes in the event so that hey get to reap the benefits of the SCCA organization. Some of thise things include insurance and the opportunity to race in other parts of that organization. It is important to note that SCCA reaps no financial benefits from their involvement in drifting. Their interest is helping create new, talented drivers that may one day have an interest in competing at different levels of racing. Perhaps some drifters would like to try their hand at World Challenge or SCCA Pro Rally. This gives drivers an open door right off the bat to do that if they so please.

SCCA has a history of sanctioning a ton of different events. CART even utilizes SCCA corner workers for their events, so this is nothing new.

xler8
12-09-2003, 04:01 PM
[]I think the SCCA could be good thing too but do you think they have me an you the drifters best interest at heart. I would rather see the SCDCA (Sports Car Drift Club of America). SCCA is not into drifting because they love it? They want to be a part of it for one reason only.. I have never gone to an SCCA nor a NHRA event and probably never will. I have been to many drift events from as far back as almost three years ago starting with SpeedTrailUSA and other drift enthusiasts who put on drift days at tracks and secure parking lots.
A very good point from Rebel-D

You have to remember that SCCA is a part of drifting for sanctioning reasons, not profit.

You mean you don't have to pay them a dime to sanction your events? Are they not providing a service, you say you get that for free???? Why is my friend paying money to SCCA everytime he goes to an autocross event?

They are not even in charge of the events. For those of you that dont recall SCCA sanctioned D1 Grand Prix this last August to the benefit of D1.

I heard that some American drivers even though they qualified SCCA did not let them compete in D1 because of SCCA rules now applied? So who is in charge?

It is important to note that SCCA reaps no financial benefits from their involvement in drifting.

OK this is the second time you stated this.

Additionally SCCA will license each driver who competes in the event so that hey get to reap the benefits of the SCCA organization.

So is this were SCCA intends to make money from drifters, to get a license from SCCA isn't free also is it? Why do we need a SCCA license?

Perhaps some drifters would like to try their hand at World Challenge or SCCA Pro Rally. This gives drivers an open door right off the bat to do that if they so please.

So by saying this you are implying it's not an open door policy with the SCCA right now for any who wants to get involved on world challenge or rallying? We can't get involved in SCCA and get lisenced and compete in their events unless they are involved in our sport?

I am really confused about your post and the reasons SCCA is getting involved in our sport. Alot of people from what I have heard just on this message board alone don't like how strict SCCA is.

I am not sure if I belive you when you stated the SCCA will not make any money from drifting in any way which is what you specifically said several times now.

Drifting is not racing, the winner is determined by judges and not by who has crossed the checkered flag first.

I have to agree with Rebel-D in that I would like to see drifting have it's own organisation with our own rules. This is our sport and I don't like it when someone crashes it because its blowing up and says "hey we don't want anything from you - we just wanna help, for free". As much as I'm not into drag racing the import scene at least got thier Sh*t together and had their own organizations for their sport. I say keep it true-keep it sidewayz.

Chas
12-09-2003, 04:02 PM
Why dont we just start one big group? It is easier because say like, you live in Montana, and there a few drifters. You do not have enoughe power to start your own group, but buy joining a big group, the can help you resource things you need? See how that works? I say with stay with one Pro(D1) and one Am (F-D)

DRFTspecS15
12-09-2003, 04:56 PM
You're an idiot xler. Are you from WDC trying to talk trash to hype up your (keeping it real, keep it true) events? Seems like it. Its pretty lame how the thread looks like you posted something as WDC and backed up your post using xler with your lame *Censored**Censored**Censored* comments. People don't talk like that.

Hey why don't you keep the forums to the drift enthusiasts and take that political horsecrap out of here.

Senshi Tenshi
12-09-2003, 05:46 PM
im not cutting in and being peacemaker here.
but why doesn't everyone calm down and take a breath.

the wdc is starting a good idea. i second it. whether it works or not, in my opinion it's still a good idea.

everyone has their own opinions..they only way ANY sort of group, big or small, or whatever, will work..is if you all start RESPECTING each others opinions. that doesn't mean you have to agree. please stop bagging on chas..he's only stating his opinion.

cmon guys, we're all in here for "one reason only"..that's cuz we all love drifting right? don't turn this into some unpleasant. have fun while you still can before you turn like 80 or something and can't operate a car anymore without crashing it into shopping malls and runnin over people. loosen up yall, it aint so bad!! ;)

TP | sil-beer
12-09-2003, 06:03 PM
wow drifting is gonna be liek wrestling with WWF WCW and all that other boosquash

whateva ima drift not matter what :]

Formula D
12-09-2003, 06:07 PM
quote:
So by saying this you are implying it's not an open door policy with the SCCA right now for any who wants to get involved on world challenge or rallying? We can't get involved in SCCA and get lisenced and compete in their events unless they are involved in our sport?

Response: No not at all. All it means is that if anyone wants to explore other racing ventures they can. Sometimes it's hard to know where to start. There is no obligation. Just that someone can get licensed by competing in one of the Formula D events. Real simple. Do as you please with the license.

I am really confused about your post and the reasons SCCA is getting involved in our sport. Alot of people from what I have heard just on this message board alone don't like how strict SCCA is.

Response: For the nature of drifting SCCA rules dont apply here. They do not dictate and have no influence on event structure. Safety and insurance is their deal. Whether you purchase insurance from a carrier or them is up to the promotor. I think it makes sense to do it from someone with race experience. Yes, I know drifting is not racing like you stated before, but it is in cars and can be dangerous.

I am not sure if I belive you when you stated the SCCA will not make any money from drifting in any way which is what you specifically said several times now.

Response: Insurance isn't free

Drifting is not racing, the winner is determined by judges and not by who has crossed the checkered flag first.

Response: I dont think anyone would disagree

I have to agree with Rebel-D in that I would like to see drifting have it's own organisation with our own rules. This is our sport and I don't like it when someone crashes it because its blowing up and says "hey we don't want anything from you - we just wanna help, for free". As much as I'm not into drag racing the import scene at least got thier Sh*t together and had their own organizations for their sport. I say keep it true-keep it sidewayz
It just makes it easier for drifters, if they would like, to explore different tyoes. Sometimes people dont know where to start

Response: I like the idea of SCDCA. I think that is great idea.

Im not sure what your issue with SCCA is. I hope I have cleared things up for you. SCCA is not a bad thing for drifting at all. They are not changing the game or telling anyone what to do. SCCA has absolutely no bearing on how drifting events will be run. They provide a safety service and have their hand open if anyone want sto look at what they do. That's it. What group you are form im not sure, but I thought "keep it sideways" was WDC's coined phrase. If that is the case im not sure I understand where you are coming from knowing that your materials for your event state that you are trying to run competitions at SCCA races. Furthermore these events are run by Slipstream with a "thumbs up" from the D1 folks. So if anyone enjoyed D1 you can expect the same energy being put into these events. Im not sure what is to complain about.

driftxtreem
12-09-2003, 06:54 PM
I have a few questions regarding any sacntioning body. These are all related to safety.

1. How does the SCCA or any governing body determin the cars safety aspects. What are the tech rules for cars competing in any of these events.

My self and all the people here ar concerned with safety but how strict are these rules going to be.

2. Who will determine what is allowed and what isnt in regards to the cars fittnes for competition.

Will this be determined by the same rules that are used in D1, or some other motorsport program. Drifting is a sport and there are many venues to choose from right now, each has a different set of rules regarding safety. I would hate to see some of the good drivers from different santioned bodies be banned for safety in others.

What I am asking is will the safety concerns for the cars be uniform threwout the different sanctioning bodys.

Formula D
12-09-2003, 07:04 PM
That's a really good question. In this instance most cars in D1 would be fine. Most of the safety regulations are based on what has loosely been put out by D1. It will be real simple:

Seatbelt harness, seats, fire suit, helmet and roll cage. Really it covers the basics. I really do not see anyone not being able to compete because they do not qualify in these catergories. Most guys are already doing everything very safe

Just making sure they are installed properly. In your case you guys are perfect.

You make a great point about regulations being uniform across the board. That would be awesome!

driftxtreem
12-09-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Formula D
That's a really good question. In this instance most cars in D1 would be fine. Most of the safety regulations are based on what has loosely been put out by D1. It will be real simple:

Seatbelt harness, seats, fire suit, helmet and roll cage. Really it covers the basics. I really do not see anyone not being able to compete because they do not qualify in these catergories. Most guys are already doing everything very safe

Just making sure they are installed properly. In your case you guys are perfect.

You make a great point about regulations being uniform across the board. That would be awesome!
Some organizations require a welded cage and have very specific rules to where and how it mounts to the chassis. I know most of the cars from Japan use a bolt in cage will this be allowed as well.

Chas
12-09-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by xler8
[]

Half of your info is wrong. Im not saying that WDC is bad, im saying to many groups is gonna make it hard to keep organized. BTW Scca is non-profit.

www.scca.org

xler8
12-09-2003, 08:33 PM
Im not sure what your issue with SCCA is. I hope I have cleared things up for you. SCCA is not a bad thing for drifting at all. They are not changing the game or telling anyone what to do. SCCA has absolutely no bearing on how drifting events will be run. They provide a safety service and have their hand open if anyone want sto look at what they do. That's it. What group you are form im not sure, but I thought "keep it sideways" was WDC's coined phrase. If that is the case im not sure I understand where you are coming from knowing that your materials for your event state that you are trying to run competitions at SCCA races. Furthermore these events are run by Slipstream with a "thumbs up" from the D1 folks. So if anyone enjoyed D1 you can expect the same energy being put into these events. Im not sure what is to complain about.

I just had many questions that's all and thaks for answering them. I still would like to see a stand alone drift organisation but if SCCA make drifting accessable to more people at affordable prices than great for us. Right now it's late night through the streets and industrial areas still.

WDC may have coined the phrase "keep it sideways" but I stole it!!!

You're an idiot xler. Are you from WDC trying to talk trash to hype up your (keeping it real, keep it true) events? Seems like it. Its pretty lame how the thread looks like you posted something as WDC and backed up your post using xler with your lame *Censored**Censored**Censored* comments. People don't talk like that.

I showed you no disrespect DriftSpec and I have no affiliation to anything but my car, so why the personal attack? I don't appreciate being called an idiot and I was not talking trash. I think maturity would be a good thing here? This message board is a place for questions is it not?

Formula D
12-10-2003, 12:45 PM
Some organizations require a welded cage and have very specific rules to where and how it mounts to the chassis. I know most of the cars from Japan use a bolt in cage will this be allowed as well.


As of now bolt-in is fine. Since the series does not start until April there will be plenty of time for driver sto make adjustments if needed. Our thoguht is to keep it simple and easy so you guys dont have to go out of your way at all.

Apex Killer
12-11-2003, 01:51 PM
I am sorry to bring this up but there is some stuff that is crap going on here.

The SCCA has two seperate groups. The club which is the base of the SCCA and that is a non-profit group. And then you have SCCA Pro which is the side behind World Challenge and all that and they ARE a profit group. However the two are one in the same. here is my issue and I respect the Slipstream guys for getting involved and doing their thing but the SCCA is doing this for the CASH. Formula D is running under Pro because the club rules will not sanction drift so Pro is covering it. Also if the SCCA is not doing it for money why were they at PRI last week selling it? Not selling sponsorship but selling the fact that they are now doing drift and trying to get the import type companies to come on board.

Now this is all fine in my mind htis is business and you have to make money to keep going. I have a problem with guys claiming that this is not money driven and that the SCCA is just doing it to be cool.

I have a magazine from a year ago where the Pres. of the SCCA stated that the club had no interest in drift. So what changed? The fact that there is money involved. The SCCA has struggled to reach the import market and this is their way in. What is said is they had to go and team up with a group of enthusiasts because no one on the inside cared less or is a drifter.

Formula D
12-11-2003, 02:34 PM
SCCA may be out selling their involvement in drifting. What is wrong with that? From their vantage point the more exposure they can get the more opportunities they have to show up and coming drivers their product. I can assure you (whether you believe it or not is up to you) that SCCA is not looking at drifting as a huge money making opportunity. Their role is one of facilitation. Slipstream approached them for the service, not the other way around.

As far as import companies being involved, that is given. Most of the companies sponsoring FD are the same that were past sponsors of D1. FD doesn't need the help of SCCA to secure sponsors. I can't stress it enough that the event series is not SCCA's. They have no vested interest in the series other than they hope that the series goes well and their brand is more visible to the participants in the market. They facilitate safety guidlines. If they are doing it for the cash, tell me where they plan on getting it from.

Apex Killer
12-12-2003, 06:37 AM
In your first post you said the SCCA is not in this for profit. Now you are saying what is wrong with making a profit on it.

Here is my BIG issue with this. The president of the SCCA one year ago said that drifting was not an interest to the SCCA and that drifting was not a club type of activity. He basiclly slammed drift daying that it was not what the SCCA was into and they are into everything short of drag racing. So now a year latter they are all about drift, the reason is because the SCCA has NEVER hit the import and youth market and they see this as their chance to do so and they see that all these companies that have never had interest in the SCCA might now that they are into drift. Again I don't have a problem with anyone making money that is why we are in business. What I have a problem with is the SCCA damming drift and now because it's big they are into it.

The SCCA contacted and held meetings with many of the guys already involved in doing drift events trying to hire them. I figured you guys were one of those. If not, I am sorry, but they did go shopping and were turned down by everyone else. If the deal works for you, cool. but in the end you are just the tool for the SCCA to hit our scene.

AllMotorKing
12-12-2003, 07:05 PM
here's my thoughts on why there's so much interest in drifting...

the SCCA and other racing sanctioning bodies are finally looking into drifting because they see it as a bridge to get all the kids into road racing...they need to get the youth movement to embrace road racing or else it's going to drop to a level where they will no longer be able to make a living doing what they do.

whether drifting enthusiast will embrace road racing is up for debate since it costs hell of a lot more to participate in most road racing series even at the club level than in a drifting series.

Of course these organizations have approached those individuals who are heavily involved in drifting to come on board and run their programs. Why? Because they have absolutely NO credibility in the drifting community.

Only time will tell what will become of drifting, in the meantime drift on and support those who have always done it for the love of the sport.