Sequential Shift Gearbox for Drifting?

drift180sx · 01-06-2005, 12:03 PM

i hav extra money to put in2 my car and i was thinking about a sequential shift gearbox. i'm looking for somefaster shifts and i thought this might b a good option. does it effect drifting? making it easier? or harder.

Wayne · 01-06-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by drift180sx
i hav extra money to put in2 my car and i was thinking about a sequential shift gearbox. i'm looking for somefaster shifts and i thought this might b a good option. does it effect drifting? making it easier? or harder.

ehh can we say overkill. i dont think a sequential tranny setup will affect your drifting per say, but why would you have that much extra money ? and if you wanan do something with your tranny, get a new clutch and flywheel. maybe get a short shifter for faster shifting. save all that money and put on some rucas or something. get some aero and low offset wheels

these are opinions expressed by yours truly, please dont flame me for my opinions thank you.

LOVMUFN · 01-06-2005, 01:37 PM

sequential tranny for drifting... maybe there is a reason that none of the pros that used to have them for drifting use them anymore... just a thought. Never used one myself, so don't know if I would like it.

I would say invest in a full OS Giken gearset if you want to upgrade the tranny. Not sequential.

PS: fast shifting is not really required for drifting... unless you flub something up.

CrazyHawaiian · 01-06-2005, 04:11 PM

I think a regular shift pattern would be better because you can skip gears. Say you come into a turn at high speed in 4th and initiate early, but the turn is pretty tight and you scrub off speed and take the turn in 2nd. If you had a sequential then you'd need to hit 3rd before you hit 2nd, might mess you up.

drift180sx · 01-06-2005, 04:17 PM

yea i was thinkn about that crazyhawaiian. my cars almost where i want it performance wise so i was tryn 2 think of something different that would work

110octane · 01-06-2005, 04:36 PM

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sequential tranny for drifting... maybe there is a reason that none of the pros that used to have them for drifting use them anymore... just a thought.

Luvmufn: Some Pro drifters do use Seqential trans. Taniguchi is one...in fact not only does the HKS S15 have one so does his newest ride, the HKS Altezza. If I'm not mistaken, Kumakubo's car is also outfitted with the Sequential. And there may be more? l am also pretty sure that you will see at least 3 US cars pushing them as well on the US shores next season.

So my guess is that a sequential tranny is either driver preference or an advantage to that particular driver?

Wayne · 01-06-2005, 05:35 PM

you sure its a sequential tranny, and not a dog box ? i dont really understand sequentail trannys for anythign but drag racing, or high speed runs or something.

Craftsman · 01-06-2005, 09:20 PM

There's noting wrong with a sequential transmission. But be prepared to cough an arm and leg to own one...

From an engineering standpoint, I really don't see a problem with sequential. If they need to drop down two gears, all they need to do is hit the downshift button twice.

Anyways, enough of my bull crap.

Drift For Food · 01-07-2005, 10:20 AM

I see it as good for speed. A couple quick flicks can get you up or down a couple gears lightning fast. I'm sure it's not cheap in any sense of the word, but if you've got the cash and don't like playing with the clutch, it can be a no-nonsense option. WRC drivers use to to great success.

What's the down side? Well, for one, you lose how the engine engages. No clutch means no control. It engages in a predefined manner, although adjustable, hard or soft but the same every time. Is it a problem? I guess that depends on your technique. If you feather the clutch a bit already to manipulate power output and rear tire traction, you may have some getting used to with the new system. If most of your control is by throttle and the clutch is already mostly an on-off event, then you'd quickly adapt to the sequencial platform.

I can only say a tiny bit on what I do like about sequencial gear boxes, and it only comes from PC racing games where most PC wheels either come with a paddle shifter or a knob that works in the sequencial manner. I guess you can take this info lightly if you want. Shift time is predefined by the game and should work similar to a real version. I do like it for one reason, shifting is lightning fast. If you've seen the WRC cars, you realize the time from 6th to 2nd is a matter of how fast you flick the lever, one second, maybe two. You stay in your power band and you're can concentrate on throttle. Even mid-drift, if the system works the right way, you may be able to jump down a gear if you find yourself coming out the torque band or up a gear if you find yourself overreving in nearly an instant with maybe only a quick let off of the throttle to not over rev. (the system may do this automatically too, for the right price maybe)

You'd have to do a good bit of research to see how they truely work and what their limitations are. As well, price may vary a lot and as others have said, could be nearly astronomical. Over kill for a drift car? Maybe, but you might end up liking it very much.

Divius Drifter · 01-07-2005, 03:28 PM

one thing to note is what if you are also using it as street machine is always having to remember to but in nutral, lol, sounds stupid but there have been cases where ppl have forgoten to do this and seem to stall the car at the lights (here in australia anyways). here in australia law states (not that we find it politically correct) is that the owner of the car must have the gear pattern or indecator on the gear knob, this was fixed by using a digital number pad (digital clock face) and wiring it up so that it told you what gear you were in not to mention looks cool.

as using it for drifting i second the opinion that it all depends on your level of skill.

drift180sx · 01-20-2005, 12:02 PM

yea i dont think theres a law here about having the shift nob or something indicating what gear your in even tho it does always help... done some reasearch and fond some good info and i'm seeing if i can get it cheaper than 2grand. but i was also wondering at a stop light or something i hav to leave it in first and there are alot of hills here and it mite hav a tendency to stall out...

btw post 100!!!

Wayne · 01-20-2005, 01:12 PM

so your just going to ignore all that we say and waste 2gs on a sequential tranny, wow good job.

the only reason to get a seq. tranny is if you drive an s15 with 6 spd tranny since they cant handle much power. as long as your trannys decent, just beef it up or get a dogbox. damn man

SidewaysGts · 01-20-2005, 08:22 PM

Over kill imo, justb ecasue you can pick up the unit for under 2k doesnt mean much- keep in mind you have to isntall it as well, and i dont know whats involved with that.

Whats a list of mods on your car? im sure me and many others would be happy to point you down a path that would benefit you a bit better

raging panda · 01-20-2005, 09:30 PM

the sequential shifter that all the D1 guys and jgtc car use still have a clutch, you just dont need to use it on the upshit, all you do is lift off the throttle and shift, but you still need it on the downshift, so engine feel won't be a problem.

personally, I think there are a ton of things that you could use that money on. But if it makes you more comfortable as a driver, that is what is important. I just have a problem spending 2/3 the amount of the cost of my car on a shifter.

phantasm · 01-21-2005, 01:18 AM

Here you go guys:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33736

Divius Drifter · 01-24-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by raging panda

personally, I think there are a ton of things that you could use that money on. But if it makes you more comfortable as a driver, that is what is important. I just have a problem spending 2/3 the amount of the cost of my car on a shifter.

i'm with raging panda. i am currently spending 3k on my running gear.
thats including a lsd centre, new tail shafts, new drive shaft, exedy hyper single plate clutch, billit aluminium flywheel (light weight) and maybe a short shifter.
the good this about the light weight fly wheel as we all know is that cause it is lighter it meas there is lees mass that the gears/clutch has to move which means more power to the wheels. any ways thats beside the point.
one thing to think about before you buy it, is how much will it cost to repair when they gears give???
spend the money on the oem g/box and have some money left over or what i like to call "drift bank" meaning if anything decides to go you can get the car back on the road sooner. just my opinion.

UberSpeed · 02-01-2005, 02:45 PM

This "sequential transmission" you posted is merely a shift lever that eliminates the H pattern. The only kind of sequential transmission worth using, in my mind, is one attached to a dog box transmission. This replaces the syncros with dog gears. The dog gears have lash that allows the gears to match speeds almost instantly. This allows for clutchless shifting. The device you speak of will still use the stock syncros, so you will still need to clutch every up and down shift and everytime you come to a stop, like a regular manual, only now you will have to pound through all the gears you were just in to get back to one (or 2).

In my personal, unprofessional opinion, this device is the biggest waste of 2 grand you could spend on your car (not including tasteless bodykits). So either drop the 10-20 Gs on a real sequential dogbox transmission or just get a short shifter, lightweight flywheel, and aftermarket clutch assembly.

Also, you stated that you have already upgraded pretty much everything on the car. Could you list those upgrades so we could help you with your desicion?

PS-Im sure I sound like the biggest poop head in the world right now, and i apologize for my harsh manner, but please, read my post and listen to the facts.

phantasm · 02-01-2005, 03:29 PM

The ebay picture I posted went for less than a grand. That is over $9000 LESS than what you are describing. Ideally the transmission would be as you described, but are things always ideal?

UberSpeed · 02-03-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by phantasm

The ebay picture I posted went for less than a grand. That is over $9000 LESS than what you are describing. Ideally the transmission would be as you described, but are things always ideal?

I understand how much it sold for. I was saying that what you are looking for is one that will cost 10 gs. Anyways to answer your second question, no, things aren't always ideal, but why blow 1k on something that is less than ideal and carries about the same levels of idealology* as the shifting mechanism you already have?

*not correctly used, not a real term. but it makes sense if you bend it with your mind, kinda like a spoon.

DoriFuta- · 02-23-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by drift180sx

i hav extra money to put in2 my car and i was thinking about a sequential shift gearbox. i'm looking for somefaster shifts and i thought this might b a good option. does it effect drifting? making it easier? or harder.

I don't know how much you know about Sequenctial shifters but if you have ever whatch the Drifting videos on spike\speed (i think it's speed) channel (the ones where they are in europe and drift on dirt roads and such) then you will have seen that most (if not all) of the drift cars have sequenctial shifter that are rite next to the steering wheel (where say a heat vent would be).

As for making you a better drifter...
It would depend on how good you are now and how fast you can adapt.
With a sequenctial (keep in mind you aren't actually shifting gears, it's all done electrinicly) you get much faster shifting time then say throwing your normal car's shift rod from 3rd to 4th, you still have to hit the clutch when shifting but if you have anough money you can get a system that alows you to shift but not hit the clutch while shifting, i have also seen systems that do all 3 (Manual,No Clutch-Manual & automatic).

hope this has answered some of your questions and i am sorry if this was already covered in anyone elses post since i just skimmed the thread.

01-06-2005, 12:03 PM	#1
drift180sx underground drifter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the outer reigns of the universe Posts: 128	Sequential Shift Gearbox for Drifting? i hav extra money to put in2 my car and i was thinking about a sequential shift gearbox. i'm looking for somefaster shifts and i thought this might b a good option. does it effect drifting? making it easier? or harder.

01-20-2005, 12:02 PM	#11
drift180sx underground drifter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the outer reigns of the universe Posts: 128	yea i dont think theres a law here about having the shift nob or something indicating what gear your in even tho it does always help... done some reasearch and fond some good info and i'm seeing if i can get it cheaper than 2grand. but i was also wondering at a stop light or something i hav to leave it in first and there are alot of hills here and it mite hav a tendency to stall out... btw post 100!!!

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01-06-2005, 01:37 PM	#3
LOVMUFN Drift Assoc. - Lead Tech Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 257	sequential tranny for drifting... maybe there is a reason that none of the pros that used to have them for drifting use them anymore... just a thought. Never used one myself, so don't know if I would like it. I would say invest in a full OS Giken gearset if you want to upgrade the tranny. Not sequential. PS: fast shifting is not really required for drifting... unless you flub something up.

01-06-2005, 04:11 PM	#4
CrazyHawaiian Sample One Time!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 1,276	I think a regular shift pattern would be better because you can skip gears. Say you come into a turn at high speed in 4th and initiate early, but the turn is pretty tight and you scrub off speed and take the turn in 2nd. If you had a sequential then you'd need to hit 3rd before you hit 2nd, might mess you up.

01-06-2005, 04:17 PM	#5
drift180sx underground drifter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the outer reigns of the universe Posts: 128	yea i was thinkn about that crazyhawaiian. my cars almost where i want it performance wise so i was tryn 2 think of something different that would work

01-06-2005, 05:35 PM	#7
Wayne Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 932	you sure its a sequential tranny, and not a dog box ? i dont really understand sequentail trannys for anythign but drag racing, or high speed runs or something.

01-06-2005, 09:20 PM	#8
Craftsman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 737	There's noting wrong with a sequential transmission. But be prepared to cough an arm and leg to own one... From an engineering standpoint, I really don't see a problem with sequential. If they need to drop down two gears, all they need to do is hit the downshift button twice. Anyways, enough of my bull crap.

01-07-2005, 10:20 AM	#9
Drift For Food OMG the ground's white! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 676	I see it as good for speed. A couple quick flicks can get you up or down a couple gears lightning fast. I'm sure it's not cheap in any sense of the word, but if you've got the cash and don't like playing with the clutch, it can be a no-nonsense option. WRC drivers use to to great success. What's the down side? Well, for one, you lose how the engine engages. No clutch means no control. It engages in a predefined manner, although adjustable, hard or soft but the same every time. Is it a problem? I guess that depends on your technique. If you feather the clutch a bit already to manipulate power output and rear tire traction, you may have some getting used to with the new system. If most of your control is by throttle and the clutch is already mostly an on-off event, then you'd quickly adapt to the sequencial platform. I can only say a tiny bit on what I do like about sequencial gear boxes, and it only comes from PC racing games where most PC wheels either come with a paddle shifter or a knob that works in the sequencial manner. I guess you can take this info lightly if you want. Shift time is predefined by the game and should work similar to a real version. I do like it for one reason, shifting is lightning fast. If you've seen the WRC cars, you realize the time from 6th to 2nd is a matter of how fast you flick the lever, one second, maybe two. You stay in your power band and you're can concentrate on throttle. Even mid-drift, if the system works the right way, you may be able to jump down a gear if you find yourself coming out the torque band or up a gear if you find yourself overreving in nearly an instant with maybe only a quick let off of the throttle to not over rev. (the system may do this automatically too, for the right price maybe) You'd have to do a good bit of research to see how they truely work and what their limitations are. As well, price may vary a lot and as others have said, could be nearly astronomical. Over kill for a drift car? Maybe, but you might end up liking it very much.

01-07-2005, 03:28 PM	#10
Divius Drifter Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7	one thing to note is what if you are also using it as street machine is always having to remember to but in nutral, lol, sounds stupid but there have been cases where ppl have forgoten to do this and seem to stall the car at the lights (here in australia anyways). here in australia law states (not that we find it politically correct) is that the owner of the car must have the gear pattern or indecator on the gear knob, this was fixed by using a digital number pad (digital clock face) and wiring it up so that it told you what gear you were in not to mention looks cool. as using it for drifting i second the opinion that it all depends on your level of skill.

01-20-2005, 01:12 PM	#12
Wayne Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 932	so your just going to ignore all that we say and waste 2gs on a sequential tranny, wow good job. the only reason to get a seq. tranny is if you drive an s15 with 6 spd tranny since they cant handle much power. as long as your trannys decent, just beef it up or get a dogbox. damn man

01-20-2005, 08:22 PM	#13
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	Over kill imo, justb ecasue you can pick up the unit for under 2k doesnt mean much- keep in mind you have to isntall it as well, and i dont know whats involved with that. Whats a list of mods on your car? im sure me and many others would be happy to point you down a path that would benefit you a bit better

01-20-2005, 09:30 PM	#14
raging panda Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Renton. Posts: 379	the sequential shifter that all the D1 guys and jgtc car use still have a clutch, you just dont need to use it on the upshit, all you do is lift off the throttle and shift, but you still need it on the downshift, so engine feel won't be a problem. personally, I think there are a ton of things that you could use that money on. But if it makes you more comfortable as a driver, that is what is important. I just have a problem spending 2/3 the amount of the cost of my car on a shifter.

01-21-2005, 01:18 AM	#15
phantasm Guest Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 56	Here you go guys: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33736

02-01-2005, 02:45 PM	#17
UberSpeed Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 211	This "sequential transmission" you posted is merely a shift lever that eliminates the H pattern. The only kind of sequential transmission worth using, in my mind, is one attached to a dog box transmission. This replaces the syncros with dog gears. The dog gears have lash that allows the gears to match speeds almost instantly. This allows for clutchless shifting. The device you speak of will still use the stock syncros, so you will still need to clutch every up and down shift and everytime you come to a stop, like a regular manual, only now you will have to pound through all the gears you were just in to get back to one (or 2). In my personal, unprofessional opinion, this device is the biggest waste of 2 grand you could spend on your car (not including tasteless bodykits). So either drop the 10-20 Gs on a real sequential dogbox transmission or just get a short shifter, lightweight flywheel, and aftermarket clutch assembly. Also, you stated that you have already upgraded pretty much everything on the car. Could you list those upgrades so we could help you with your desicion? PS-Im sure I sound like the biggest poop head in the world right now, and i apologize for my harsh manner, but please, read my post and listen to the facts.

02-01-2005, 03:29 PM	#18
phantasm Guest Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 56	The ebay picture I posted went for less than a grand. That is over $9000 LESS than what you are describing. Ideally the transmission would be as you described, but are things always ideal?