Drift a Low-Powered Vehicle?

[forceFED_s14]

is there any way to do a decent drift w/ a low powered vehicle? i have a 93 240 w/ just intake and cat back and i can get the back to come out but only w/ the clutch kick technique and when i exit the drift my car always seems to snap back to place and i cant stop it from doing that. is it because im letting off the gas to early? or just reganing traction to early? any sugestions will help

[sidebyslide]

yeah of course you can drift with a stock motor setup. the key is suspension and a decent LSD. upgrade your springs and shocks or better yet save up for a decent coilover setup. you snapping back is just the amount of counter steer you need but i strongly recommend a good suspension setup and either a 1.5 or 2way diff.

[Hyde]

yea man i got a 93 240sx fastback and everythings stock from the open diff to suspension and i can still do choku dori and get the rear end out on dry road. mine kicksback also but when it does i just countersteer and use the car kickin back to keep drifting and also using throttle control. but im gona be gettin 2 way carbon deftforce lsd and kei office xr coilovers so should be alot easier and better. ^_^

[Drift For Food]

It sounds like you're mostly trying to just upset the rear tires to start a drift. I'm not a fan of clutch kicks as I see it being hard on the clutch, especially a stock one. It works but so does the e-brake, quick modulation of the throttle(stab on and off), and even dropping to a lower gear without rev matching. They all do the same type of thing, upset the rear tires, just different methods.

As well, I'd suggest getting into weight shifting. Research info on feint and braking techniques. Feint is the side to side action through steering that is used to help rotate the car. Braking is used to shift the weight forward and increase front grip/decrease rear grip, and get the car to oversteer. These are two ways to get the car sliding without upsetting the rear tires. It can be smoother this way too.


An underpowered car does have its disadvantages. Still, you can do things to counter the ill-effects to some extent. First off, don't be afraid to stay hard on the throttle. I know you want to let off at times, but sometimes doing so will guaranty the end of your drift. You just don't have that extra power to kick it back out again without the above upset techniques. Stay heavy on the gas and only let up if you need to.

To control the car, instead focus more on steering. If you find the rear end resticking even when you've got the pedal to the floor, try not countersteering quite so much. Steer into the corner just a hair more(still countersteering of course). If you feel like the rear end is going to regrip, steer in a little. If the rear end is coming around too much, counter a hair. When exiting a drift, again use the steering as the control. You should be able to stay heavy on the gas and just steer the car straight again. If needed, a quick second off the gas should get the rear end planted again.

Suspension tuning is another area to look at. Any car can drift if tuned right, reguardless of the power. There's tons of things to do: springs, swaybars, shocks, wheels/tires, etc.... To get a car to drift easily and to behave in a manner that you prefer, this is where you should look. This is how you make a car do things you can't currently make it do.

[CrazyHawaiian]

Could be the tires. Your contact patch should match up with your power output. If they are too big for the ammount of power you have then it re-grips faster. It could also be a lack of momentum, just drifting the turn at too low of a speed. End up scrubbing it all off on the exit and it re-grips. Cant tell over the internet though, depends on the turn. hehehe

[twfds]

In regards to your car "snapping" back into place:

You could be letting off the gas too quickly / suddenly. When straightening out, try smoothly letting off the gas so your car doesn't snap quickly.

It could also be that you're losing wheel rpm in your drift. Your tires slow down to the point that they suddenly regain traction and grip again, snapping your car into line. You should be able to tell how fast your wheels are spinning by engine noise / rpm. Just kick the clutch again if you're not sure you have enough spin to get you through your drift. Be carefull with constantly banging your clutch though, unless you can change clutches quickly and easily.

Drifitng in a low powered vehicle is a little difficult, but still very possible. I think all of the corolla people can feel your frustration. Just remember that what you lack in horsepower needs to be made up for with momentum; either on entry speed, weight transfer (read Drift for Food's suggestions on that).

If anything, just go back to practicing donuts. I can't stress enough the importance of learning how to do good, controlled donuts / figure 8's first.

[GRiDRaceTech]

I have a '92 240SX with NO engine mods and I have no problem getting it to slide for quite some time. I ran 195/60R15s out back and they spun easily.

I would blame your problems on the driver (yourself) and the open diff.

[LOVMUFN]

What the heck is with you people thinking you are going to be using up clutches like some Barbie wannabe skank on diet pills if you use clutch kick... If you sit there and just bounce on the clutch pedal all day, of corse it is going to get all f%$#ed up, but using it as a technique on shorter runs and not letting it get WAY too hot it is not going to instantly dissappear. Wheel slippage is already bad on a clutch. If you are worried about any kind of excessive car wear... don't drift. And dude that can't figure it out... go find someone that really does this in real life and ask him/her to help you in the real world. This online opinion fest is not going to help you much.

[J-BloodAE86]

Originally posted by twfds
In regards to your car "snapping" back into place:

You could be letting off the gas too quickly / suddenly. When straightening out, try smoothly letting off the gas so your car doesn't snap quickly.

i learned that one the hard way, and left chunks of my BRE lip spoiler on the hill.

[J-BloodAE86]

Originally posted by LOVMUFN
What the heck is with you people thinking you are going to be using up clutches like some Barbie wannabe skank on diet pills if you use clutch kick... If you sit there and just bounce on the clutch pedal all day, of corse it is going to get all f%$#ed up, but using it as a technique on shorter runs and not letting it get WAY too hot it is not going to instantly dissappear. Wheel slippage is already bad on a clutch. If you are worried about any kind of excessive car wear... don't drift. And dude that can't figure it out... go find someone that really does this in real life and ask him/her to help you in the real world. This online opinion fest is not going to help you much.

uh no, wheel slippage doesnt hurt the clutch at all. when the wheels dont slip and the engine is spinning fast, thats when the clutch gets abuse. for example dropping the clutch at raised rpms on a slick suface hurts the clutch much less than a normal slow speed start from zero.

[LOVMUFN]

Constant changes in traction and other jolts to the driveline (i.e. drifting) are hard on a clutch for those of you too anal to figure out that not everyone needs to know every little detail to survive (Of corse, for those of you you that are that anal I will also aparantly have to say that if you have an automatic transmission this does not aply as they do not have a clutch and if you purchase a clutch that way out does your tires' ability to stick to the ground and your engines power output then it will not wear the clutch at all), and to those of you that are that anal I say, get a life and stop trying to argue for the sake of it.

[J-BloodAE86]

cool your jets kid. its not that i'm anal, i'm about as layed back as they come, but this:

Originally posted by LOVMUFN
Wheel slippage is already bad on a clutch.

is completely incorrect. infact its the opposite, wheel slippage is the easiest thing on a clutch, save it being fully engaged at crusing speed, because the clutch is engaged and not slipping, so no friction. yes driveline shock affects the clutch, but tires can lose traction very smoothly, the two dont go hand in hand. i'm not arguing, truthfully i dont even care about talking to you, i'm simply saying that that is inncorrect and i'm pointing it out so people who are trying to understand this dont get confused. deal?

[Drift For Food]

Mmm.....muffins


You both are partially right. It's dependent...on many factors. Hopefully, you both realize you're both right so we can stay on topic, lol. Feel free to PM each other though, if you want to iron out any details.

[4doorpimpn]

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[J-BloodAE86]

Originally posted by 4doorpimpn
forget the topic a 72 2 door 510, damn you scuba steve why cant i find somn like that

well i think you just did, its for sale. call me if you're serious, (818) 949 4408, leave a message if we arnt home.

[new_to_drift]

i have a completely bone stock setup myself,89 240 coupe,SOHC.with 195/60/15 and i can slide very easily.

[Ghost of Duluth]

Well, I rode with JR today and he worked MAGIC with a stock ride, open diff and all. Magic I tell you. It's all skill. It can be done. Don't let anyone tell you different.

[grift]

clutch kick. i had a totally stock 240 with like 160, 000 miles on it and I clutch kicked alot and the clutch never messed up once. i had the car for over a year. Also tire pressure has alot of effect. I other techniques like ebrake and weight tranfer were hard to do. The ebrake was hard to use cause i am so big I cannot reach it that good. Clutch kick.

[santi]

i have a 91 with suspension and lsd . completly stock engine.. i run 205 falkens ziex;s in front and 215 crap in back.. just go fast the *Censored**Censored**Censored* goes out on its own.. so far my clutch has held up on a competition daily driven and a practice event..i cluch kick alot too so with a stock engine it might hold up for you.. after feb 5th i'll post a lvideo link .it's very possible to drift with little power..theres a few guys in south florida with stock ka's that do pretty well

[brainfood]

forget the topic a 72 2 door 510, damn you scuba steve why cant i find somn like that

I sold my '68 with built L16 dual webbers and tons of other stuff about a year and a half ago. I miss that little bastard

Back on topic I drift a stock ka with intake and I have no problems with long drifts. I do have vlsd and kei office xr's also but I would drift it on stock suspension when I still had the auto trans its all about corner entry and keeping good corner speed/line. I also have a friend with suspension work and a stock ka that spins out quite a bit but when he gets it has no problem with nice smooth long controlled drifts but he has suspension and a kaaz 2way. I really think that it snaping back has to do with your diff. I can feel when my lsd unlocks off throttle and it snaps back it is because you are dragging that tire and it wants to straighten out.



btw these pics are on sticky dunlop 225/50/16's so that gives you an idea that the ka has enough torque to spin them you just need more speed on entry.

[forceFED_s14]

well i got the drift bible yesterday and i watched it like 3 times and it was amazing......that guy is soo smooth w/ all his transissions and the timeing of breaking/throttle control......just crazy stuff......and he does it w/ 4 diffrent cars......s14, s13, MR2, and AE86 and all three have diffrent power and handeling and he just makes it look soo damn clean the whole time.....great video....answered all my questions....thanks tho.....

[tonesdef]

its very simple. IF you can get it to go out and it snaps back when you end it your exit is sloppy and it will get better with time and pratice. Other than that yes you can but you need to clutch kick a lot and can't let off the gas to much

[[Temps]UpNorth]

Hey guys new to the forums. Was reading through all the posts in this thread and decided it was gonna be my first thread i posted in. Well back to the topic my dad has a 92 subaru impreza wagon and being that i live up north in wisconsin it snows alot. I was out yesterday playing in the snow in the subaru when i took about a 120 degree corner and drifted the whole way. I know you guys talking about dry weather drifting but since yer trying to find out how to drift underpowerd cars... Use wet or snowy roads!

[santi]

stock ka never even runs right.. just go fast and clutch kick. 205 in front 215 in back