tricks to make a feint drift work

944drift · 03-12-2005, 07:26 PM

hey
I have been trying feint drifts lately and i cant get them to work for me. I turn in to the corner then out then let go of the gas and turn in and hit the gas and try to pull it sideways but i just end up spinning or not losing traction soon enough and just doing something more like a powerover which doesnt end up lasting very long. I just want to drift into the corner at a slight angle then turn in to the apex and get it more sideways. If anyone has any little tricks that they have to do this please explain. Any advice will be very appreciated. I dont really want to use the e brake because its on my left side and very hard to get to while still driving.

944drift · 03-12-2005, 08:01 PM

cmon 21 veiws someone has to have some tips.

dreamdrivedrift · 03-12-2005, 08:16 PM

try clutch kicking while you turn back into the turn if you have manual transmission

MeetYouAtTheTop · 03-12-2005, 10:13 PM

now ive never really drifted before, not yet anyway, but the way u put it, it just sounds like u need to practice more and find the right amount of gas to give it.

you say you eaither spin out or just do a powerover, so ur eaither giving it oo much gas or not enough? or sterring too hard or not enough?

sounds to me like you just need to give it a bit more rpactice and find the right point of accel and turn for your car

but what would i know, im just a 16yr old without a car

DoriFuta- · 03-13-2005, 12:03 AM

currect me if i am wrong but isn't faint drifting where you sway the car side to side just before entering a turn just so you can transfer the weight of the car to better suit the angle of the turn?
More or less a greater and faster weight shift to get the rear end of the car around...

Sounds to my like you might be whiping the rear around to much and to fast so that would cause you to spin out...
Also if you don't counter steer the instand the rear starts to enter the drift and gas it you could spin.

Try to throw the wheel into the turn then rite away turn it back to counter steer while giving it some gas but no to much, just enough to keep the rear going in the direction you want it to.
You could also try clutch-kicking in there somewhere too.

D1 DRIFTER · 03-13-2005, 09:53 AM

my methond with no lsd is to enter the turn on the outside line turn in a little before then turn, clutch kick and modulate the throttle to keep the slide.. i have learned to drift all on my own and i see this being the most effective way to intiate a drift with no lsd(i have a redtop sr so power is not a problem)
but be fore warned do not try this if it is extremly wet and u are trying this for the first time a guy i know tried this to keep up with my friend and i understeered and WHAM! up the curb at 60mph totaled his Turbo FC so my best advice is to be careful no matter where u drift illegal or legal! keep it safe but keep it sideways!

hope this helps

Riley

dorifuto · 03-13-2005, 10:42 AM

www.gladmanperformance.com/slava.wmv

Here is my video. I am doing a bit of everything in it, just watch it over and analize.

_PG_ · 03-13-2005, 11:11 AM

Ok. All you need to do is clutch kick. People think its so bad, its no worse than doing a burnout. take the middle line into the corner, before the turn, steer towards the outside of the corner, cut it back in really fast as you KICK the clutch (keep on the gas). I assume you have a 944, and that thing probably has a factory LSD in it, right?

I mean, you might need to practice a little more, but you'll get it down one way or another, whatever feels the most comfortable to you. I must tell you that at most high levels of drifting, depending on the track or corner, the most common initiation is clutchkick. It does not slow you down at all, so don't go TOO FAST!

zerodrifter · 03-13-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dorifuto

www.gladmanperformance.com/slava.wmv

Here is my video. I am doing a bit of everything in it, just watch it over and analize.

holy monkey poo! your camera guy must have balls of steel

_PG_ · 03-13-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zerodrifter

holy monkey poo! your camera guy must have balls of steel

Well they were going so slow, he had time to run out of the way, grab a coffee, eat some crepes and then come back before anyone would hit him!

Hahaha j/k i know it was wet outside. Nice lines, though. But yea... higher speed in the dry!!!!

180sxdorift2 · 03-13-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 944drift

If anyone has any little tricks that they have to do this please explain. Any advice will be very appreciated. I dont really want to use the e brake because its on my left side and very hard to get to while still driving.

what kind of car do u have???.....and maybe u just need to hit the gas a little harder and work on your steering.....from what ive read on some of these other posts they explain that u could use clutch kicking but u dont need to....try this.....once u quickly turn away from the turn and let go of the gas, just before u turn back, quickly punch the throttle so once u do turn back, you'll likey lose more traction and the pendulum effect of the car will assist in u kickin that rear end loose.....remember to quickly hit the gas BEFORE u make that quick turn....hope it helps a little.....

sdtouge · 03-13-2005, 12:16 PM

try a mixture of faint and clutch kick.

also, i bet he has a 944

sdtouge · 03-13-2005, 12:20 PM

also, like pg said, clutch kick inst that bad, but if you have your origianl clutch (i think i did) it could end up lookiong like this.

this was after one driftday

lol, good times

Drift For Food · 03-13-2005, 01:42 PM

Lol

That's purdy *sniff*

Anyways...
Feint really has nothing to do with throttle, clutch kick, braking, or any other input than steering. It's all about steering. Other methods get added to it to make it easier and to manipulate the car properly for the corner. However, feint alone is only a steering method.

What it does is rotate the car. It doesn't make you go faster or slower and it doesn't make you take the corner. It just rotates the car.

How you do it is just turn away from the corner to load the weight on the inside of the car, then you just whip the weight to the outside by steering quickly towards the direction of the corner. This will forcefully make your car rotate. The harder you do it, the more it will rotate. Too much, you'll spin out. Too little, you won't rotate much or you may not even break traction. It does take a bit of practice to get used to how hard you have to toss the car.

This method works very well for cars whose parking brakes don't work so well or for underpowered cars or even fwd cars in which on-throttle methods don't work. It's also a method to use when you are at or near the speed of the corner as it's not a technique to slow you down or speed you up like braking and power over, respectively.

First, learn to get your car rotating. Get used to how hard you have to toss the car to make it break traction. Afterwards, learn to grab the car and control the drift. Once you break traction and start to rotate, you'll countersteer to grab the spin and work the throttle to hold the drift.

It can be done as slow as a large sweaping motion or as quick as a fast jerk. The method is both traction dependent and suspension/car dependent. Since it is a steering method, you will need enough front grip to perform the maneuver fast enough. As well, a car that's heavier will be harder to do quickly but easier to keep the weight moving when you begin to throw it around. A softer suspension requires a slower, more sweaping motion to allow for time to load up the suspension. It requires a good amount of feel to know how the weight is moving around and how much front traction you have to work with.

When starting, the technique does fell quite awkward. It will take a little time to get used to as the method is very different than anything else you've done in a car. Practice, practice, practice.

The nice thing about the technique is that it can be combined with other techniques as stated by others to produce an end result. Sometimes feint isn't enough. Sometimes you may not have the traction or the room to perform the needed feint maneuver, or perhaps you're not at the appropriate speed for the corner. In any case, you will actually combine other techniques to provide the desired result. For example, you can brake into a corner and feint at the same time. This allows for you to come into a corner fast, move a good amount of weight forward, and to allow more front traction(if not braking too hard) to allow for some feint to get the car rotating. Sometimes just a let off of the gas will be enough to get some added front wieght/grip. As well, you can help the feint by doing things like clutch kick or power over to help get the rear end loose.

A good way to practice the art of feinting is to try in on a straight road. Start turning side to side moving from one side of the road to the other. As you tighten your turning, you'll start to get close to the traction limit of the tires. At this point, you can try different technqiues to break traction. You can let off the gas or brake slightly while still turning side to side. You can apply some more thottle to see how that feels and if it breaks traction. You can be more abrupt with your steering to begin to overload the tires and break traction. At some point, the car will start sliding. Once this happens, control the slide and straighten out. You should be able to start and end it comfortablely. Do it again and try to connect more than one slide from side to side just by continuing the same thing. Once it starts to slide one way, steer a little more into it and the car will eventually whip the other way. In time this will turn into a continuous whipping back and forth of the car, a constant feinting back and forth. I'm sure you've seen this in videos where the drifters whip back and forth down a straight section of the road. This is feinting.

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Hope that helps some.

944drift · 03-13-2005, 04:56 PM

thanks for all the help. I do have a 944 and an lsd. Clutch kicking is not something that i want to do because of the wear it takes on your clutch. I went drifitng today and got it on camera. I dont really get sideways until im just past the apex. my tires are squeling and smoke is coming off them but im not sideways then i get sideways and begin my counterstear and try to keep it going as long as possibl. ive got this part down pretty well. After reading your posts and watching my tape i realized what im doing wrong. I am not creating enough weight transition with my steering and am instead compensating with my brake which causes me to slow down too much to really get a long drift. Im also not countering soon enough. Im going out tomorow and im going to just feint without the brake and see what i can do with it. According to drift for foods post you dont need throttle to induce the drift when you steer back into the turn. I guess you begin to counter than apply throttle once your sideways? I will try this and give you some feedback. Im going to try to post my video soon so you guys can give them your opinion. once again thank you for the help.

944drift · 03-13-2005, 05:05 PM

doruftu i watched your video and the drifting is really nice. I like the skyline and the dancing. I ve seen this video before i think maybe on tremek.com. It looks like you are doing a lot of feints in that vid which look pretty on point. How fast were you going on most those entering the corner.

dorifuto · 03-13-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 944drift

doruftu i watched your video and the drifting is really nice. I like the skyline and the dancing. I ve seen this video before i think maybe on tremek.com. It looks like you are doing a lot of feints in that vid which look pretty on point. How fast were you going on most those entering the corner.

THe enterance was top of 2nd gear, so i am guessing it is about 80km/h.

Somebody said that it is too slow for this corner, well you can't judge it like that. You have to drive it, and then you realize that you have to slow down a bit in the corner.

944drift · 03-13-2005, 07:43 PM

i just tried fienting without giving it gas or brake. Just using my steering and it was very hard. I got it to break traction a little bit but not enough due to my lack of speed. I was only in a small parking lot neerby my house. It wasnt enough to require counterstear but i was skidding. Should a just keep working on this and add more speed when i get to a bigger area or try adding gas or brake on the turn into the apex. When i apply gas it seems to understeer. How do you guys do it.

dorifuto · 03-14-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 944drift

i just tried fienting without giving it gas or brake. Just using my steering and it was very hard. I got it to break traction a little bit but not enough due to my lack of speed. I was only in a small parking lot neerby my house. It wasnt enough to require counterstear but i was skidding. Should a just keep working on this and add more speed when i get to a bigger area or try adding gas or brake on the turn into the apex. When i apply gas it seems to understeer. How do you guys do it.

Alright let me do a little write up on this, because everybody seems to give you different advices which don't work so far.

Feint- you cannot faint without giving it gas or brake. Feint means that you are transfering all of your weight on one side of the car (right, left) depending on the corner. When you feint from high speed, use your brakes like ABS would use them. For example you are going mid 3rd gear 4400 revs, you brake before the corner, steer to opposite direction, left off the brake, steer the other way and heel/toe down shift with a little mismatch, which will create a very slight "shift lock"

In order to do that, make sure that you brake balance is good, otherwise nothing will happen.

Braking is difficult, because you need to have a feel for your car, even my exlanation can be a little off because most of it is built in practice but not theory for me.

Clutch kick is easy way to learn the weight transfer, which I should recommend. For braking you need higher speed..

944drift · 03-14-2005, 09:16 AM

thanks for the help doriftu. I was watching the drift bible last night where he uses the ae86. He says in an underpowered car you need to heel toe than steer into the corner and brake let off the gas and hit the throttle hard. Doing this quickly seemed to get the car to go sideways pretty well for keichi. Its basically what you said except you dont slow the rear wheels with the kinda shift lock. He does use that technique with his braking drift in his s14. Im going to try both ways and see how it works for me. I understand now tht a feint is just something you do in addition to anouther technique.

_PG_ · 03-14-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 944drift

I understand now tht a feint is just something you do in addition to anouther technique.

Like... clutch kick.

I *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* you not, you will not blow up your clutch unless it is ready to die right now. Especially in cars like RX7s and in your case a 944, you need more violent techniqes to get sideways because of how the chassis are designed o grip in situations like that. They actually take into account oversteer when designing a sports car and then design a suspension to hopefully correct the oversteer and "save" the driver from a crash. That's what a Sports Car is for. GRIP. Not that 240s or hachis were made fore "drift", that obviously not the case, its just that these good" sports car suspensions are not on them, making oversteer/drift/sliding easier on these chassis.

In conclusion, kick the damn clutch! Shift-lock is WAY worse for your tranny, diff, clutch, and pressure plate. And "braking drift" is a good way to enter too fast, understeer into a mountain and total your car!

2501 · 03-14-2005, 07:56 PM

From your video, you seem to be doing everything fine. I have had some seattime in a pickup lately, and as usual I cant drive it like it was meant to..... had is sideways in a Home Depot parking lot. I feel 1/2 armchair theory and 1/2 experience says that you should practice moving the car's weight more, just even moving it side to side. I learned alot driving a pickup truck. True it is no car, but fundamentally its the same, just with a poor weight distribution and massive body roll. I thought that video was great, except the dancing... I WANT YOUR CAR!!!

944drift · 03-15-2005, 04:23 PM

i tried a clutch kick today and omg it kicked the tail out real easy. I just turned and kicked the clutch and i was sideways. So much easier then braking and feinting and lift off.

brainfood · 03-15-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sdtouge

also, like pg said, clutch kick inst that bad, but if you have your origianl clutch (i think i did) it could end up lookiong like this.

this was after one driftday

lol, good times

Damn you are pretty rough on that clutch I have been to 3-4 events on the stock clutch and it works just as good as the day I put it in. I dont kick that hard either, and I find that most corners if you clutch kick dont need very much feint but I do must of my drifts at high speeds. Like come in almost on the rev limiter in 2nd and just turn in early from the outside kick and stay full throttle and control with steering angle. But I have a low powered stock ka so its easier for me to stay wot. In a low powered car once you are used to it you can stay full throttle almost the whole time just use more steering to correct your angle. Also if I fient I usually do it on the brakes or off throttle where the front end has a little more traction you will get used to it and once you are it will be second nature just takes practice. Another thing that is fun on the street is ebrake early and stay on it for a while but that also takes practice but it helps getting used to quick countersteer. When I drift at the track as soon as I initiate and the rear comes out I let go of the steering wheel to counter some corners I can hold it longer without countering but you can always add more angle by turning back in towards the apex so practice countering quicker if you are spinning a lot. My friend likes to go crazy fient and then kick and he spins soooo much either that or he understeers you just need to learn how your car reacts and drive to match that.

Drift For Food · 03-16-2005, 12:34 AM

You mentioned not really getting sideways till the apex or half way through the turn. At this point, you don't have the option of feinting. From that point, it's all about upsetting the rear tires. Feint actually comes before the corner and starts the slide before you even get there. If you're trying to do something mid corner, it won't work. Maybe I'm just not clear on when you're trying these techniques.

Feint can be done reguardless of throttle/braking. It's actually fun to vary it working while on the gas, then off the gas, then light and medium braking. You find the car wants to slide much differently in each circumstance. Yes, you do apply other techniques with it to achieve a set goal. I usually feint with some braking for most corners. When I had a rwd, I would feint and at the end of the feint, I'd mash the gas to help get the rear end out. With my awd, that's not so much an option as it actually gains some understeer with heavy throttle, even when feinting.

Since you seem to be playing with this in a parking lot, you'll have a good amount of room to play around on, albeit, speed won't be high(feint is harder at slower speeds-needs heavier, quicker steering(more violent) to work) If you can get your car starting to slide with the feint, try a few techniques to learn to control the slide with the feint. First off, you will use no other inputs than steering. Try to rotate the car an X number of degrees with just the feint. How hard you toss the car determines how much the car will rotate before the rear end regains traction and you go back to rolling. Start out lightly and see if you can get the car to slide only a few degrees first, no counter steering either, just feint and hold wheel straight. Let the car slide and regain traction naturally. Then feint harder. See if you can work your way up to 90 degrees or more. The car should break traction, quickly rotate, and slowly regrip, and roll in the exit direction. It should naturally follow an arcing path, although less so as you feint harder up to say a 180 spin(probably impossible without heavy braking and/or some e-brake work...except at high speed maybe).

This is something I did with my old Lesabre, the first car I started to drift with. Being fwd, with a foot e-brake, I had little for options. It came down to feinting and braking techniques alone. It's interesting how versitle those two techniques are both on their own and especially when combined. All the roads around my house are gravel back roads with a lot of sharp 90s. For most of the turns, I could come in at near the cornering speed, feint hard and begin to rotate the car towards the exit direction, 90 degrees left or right, before I get to the turn. As you enter the turn, your car is rotating from the feint. Somewhere around the apex, the tires will begin to regain traction and want to roll forward. This is where the car changes direction and moves towards the exit direction.

This is more than you would do with a rwd though. Since I couldn't power out of the corner, all my rotation for the corner was done by the feint AND before I even entered the corner. It's a ballsy maneuver as you're done drifting before the corner starts...as in you already created the end result before you entered the corner. With a rwd, you only partially do this(although you can do just the same but wait for the throttle until the exit, not during the corner). You basically feint to the starting angle for the corner. Basically, it's a flick, countersteer and lay on the throttle. You may rotate the car intially 30 degrees or something through the feint, just enough to get the correct angle of attack. Then it's drift as usual and finish rotating the car around the corner and to the exit.

Ok, I think I'm just babbling now. It's late, bed time for me. If the above is only somewhat coherent, that's because I'm only half awake and probably only half of it makes sense. lol That and I am kind of babbling off the top of my head.

03-12-2005, 07:26 PM	#1
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	tricks to make a feint drift work hey I have been trying feint drifts lately and i cant get them to work for me. I turn in to the corner then out then let go of the gas and turn in and hit the gas and try to pull it sideways but i just end up spinning or not losing traction soon enough and just doing something more like a powerover which doesnt end up lasting very long. I just want to drift into the corner at a slight angle then turn in to the apex and get it more sideways. If anyone has any little tricks that they have to do this please explain. Any advice will be very appreciated. I dont really want to use the e brake because its on my left side and very hard to get to while still driving.

03-13-2005, 04:56 PM	#15
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	thanks for all the help thanks for all the help. I do have a 944 and an lsd. Clutch kicking is not something that i want to do because of the wear it takes on your clutch. I went drifitng today and got it on camera. I dont really get sideways until im just past the apex. my tires are squeling and smoke is coming off them but im not sideways then i get sideways and begin my counterstear and try to keep it going as long as possibl. ive got this part down pretty well. After reading your posts and watching my tape i realized what im doing wrong. I am not creating enough weight transition with my steering and am instead compensating with my brake which causes me to slow down too much to really get a long drift. Im also not countering soon enough. Im going out tomorow and im going to just feint without the brake and see what i can do with it. According to drift for foods post you dont need throttle to induce the drift when you steer back into the turn. I guess you begin to counter than apply throttle once your sideways? I will try this and give you some feedback. Im going to try to post my video soon so you guys can give them your opinion. once again thank you for the help.

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03-12-2005, 08:01 PM	#2
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	cmon 21 veiws someone has to have some tips.

03-12-2005, 08:16 PM	#3
dreamdrivedrift Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MD Posts: 310	try clutch kicking while you turn back into the turn if you have manual transmission

03-12-2005, 10:13 PM	#4
MeetYouAtTheTop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: sylmar Posts: 88	now ive never really drifted before, not yet anyway, but the way u put it, it just sounds like u need to practice more and find the right amount of gas to give it. you say you eaither spin out or just do a powerover, so ur eaither giving it oo much gas or not enough? or sterring too hard or not enough? sounds to me like you just need to give it a bit more rpactice and find the right point of accel and turn for your car but what would i know, im just a 16yr old without a car

03-13-2005, 12:03 AM	#5
DoriFuta- Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lancaster PA Posts: 172	currect me if i am wrong but isn't faint drifting where you sway the car side to side just before entering a turn just so you can transfer the weight of the car to better suit the angle of the turn? More or less a greater and faster weight shift to get the rear end of the car around... Sounds to my like you might be whiping the rear around to much and to fast so that would cause you to spin out... Also if you don't counter steer the instand the rear starts to enter the drift and gas it you could spin. Try to throw the wheel into the turn then rite away turn it back to counter steer while giving it some gas but no to much, just enough to keep the rear going in the direction you want it to. You could also try clutch-kicking in there somewhere too.

03-13-2005, 09:53 AM	#6
D1 DRIFTER Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 754	my methond with no lsd is to enter the turn on the outside line turn in a little before then turn, clutch kick and modulate the throttle to keep the slide.. i have learned to drift all on my own and i see this being the most effective way to intiate a drift with no lsd(i have a redtop sr so power is not a problem) but be fore warned do not try this if it is extremly wet and u are trying this for the first time a guy i know tried this to keep up with my friend and i understeered and WHAM! up the curb at 60mph totaled his Turbo FC so my best advice is to be careful no matter where u drift illegal or legal! keep it safe but keep it sideways! hope this helps Riley

03-13-2005, 10:42 AM	#7
dorifuto Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 74	www.gladmanperformance.com/slava.wmv Here is my video. I am doing a bit of everything in it, just watch it over and analize.

03-13-2005, 11:11 AM	#8
_PG_ Got a date with Lady Luck Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The sucky CA Posts: 427	Ok. All you need to do is clutch kick. People think its so bad, its no worse than doing a burnout. take the middle line into the corner, before the turn, steer towards the outside of the corner, cut it back in really fast as you KICK the clutch (keep on the gas). I assume you have a 944, and that thing probably has a factory LSD in it, right? I mean, you might need to practice a little more, but you'll get it down one way or another, whatever feels the most comfortable to you. I must tell you that at most high levels of drifting, depending on the track or corner, the most common initiation is clutchkick. It does not slow you down at all, so don't go TOO FAST!

03-13-2005, 12:16 PM	#12
sdtouge Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 868	try a mixture of faint and clutch kick. also, i bet he has a 944

03-13-2005, 12:20 PM	#13
sdtouge Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 868	also, like pg said, clutch kick inst that bad, but if you have your origianl clutch (i think i did) it could end up lookiong like this. this was after one driftday lol, good times

03-13-2005, 01:42 PM	#14
Drift For Food OMG the ground's white! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 676	Lol That's purdy sniff Anyways... Feint really has nothing to do with throttle, clutch kick, braking, or any other input than steering. It's all about steering. Other methods get added to it to make it easier and to manipulate the car properly for the corner. However, feint alone is only a steering method. What it does is rotate the car. It doesn't make you go faster or slower and it doesn't make you take the corner. It just rotates the car. How you do it is just turn away from the corner to load the weight on the inside of the car, then you just whip the weight to the outside by steering quickly towards the direction of the corner. This will forcefully make your car rotate. The harder you do it, the more it will rotate. Too much, you'll spin out. Too little, you won't rotate much or you may not even break traction. It does take a bit of practice to get used to how hard you have to toss the car. This method works very well for cars whose parking brakes don't work so well or for underpowered cars or even fwd cars in which on-throttle methods don't work. It's also a method to use when you are at or near the speed of the corner as it's not a technique to slow you down or speed you up like braking and power over, respectively. First, learn to get your car rotating. Get used to how hard you have to toss the car to make it break traction. Afterwards, learn to grab the car and control the drift. Once you break traction and start to rotate, you'll countersteer to grab the spin and work the throttle to hold the drift. It can be done as slow as a large sweaping motion or as quick as a fast jerk. The method is both traction dependent and suspension/car dependent. Since it is a steering method, you will need enough front grip to perform the maneuver fast enough. As well, a car that's heavier will be harder to do quickly but easier to keep the weight moving when you begin to throw it around. A softer suspension requires a slower, more sweaping motion to allow for time to load up the suspension. It requires a good amount of feel to know how the weight is moving around and how much front traction you have to work with. When starting, the technique does fell quite awkward. It will take a little time to get used to as the method is very different than anything else you've done in a car. Practice, practice, practice. The nice thing about the technique is that it can be combined with other techniques as stated by others to produce an end result. Sometimes feint isn't enough. Sometimes you may not have the traction or the room to perform the needed feint maneuver, or perhaps you're not at the appropriate speed for the corner. In any case, you will actually combine other techniques to provide the desired result. For example, you can brake into a corner and feint at the same time. This allows for you to come into a corner fast, move a good amount of weight forward, and to allow more front traction(if not braking too hard) to allow for some feint to get the car rotating. Sometimes just a let off of the gas will be enough to get some added front wieght/grip. As well, you can help the feint by doing things like clutch kick or power over to help get the rear end loose. A good way to practice the art of feinting is to try in on a straight road. Start turning side to side moving from one side of the road to the other. As you tighten your turning, you'll start to get close to the traction limit of the tires. At this point, you can try different technqiues to break traction. You can let off the gas or brake slightly while still turning side to side. You can apply some more thottle to see how that feels and if it breaks traction. You can be more abrupt with your steering to begin to overload the tires and break traction. At some point, the car will start sliding. Once this happens, control the slide and straighten out. You should be able to start and end it comfortablely. Do it again and try to connect more than one slide from side to side just by continuing the same thing. Once it starts to slide one way, steer a little more into it and the car will eventually whip the other way. In time this will turn into a continuous whipping back and forth of the car, a constant feinting back and forth. I'm sure you've seen this in videos where the drifters whip back and forth down a straight section of the road. This is feinting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- did I type enough? Hope that helps some.

03-13-2005, 05:05 PM	#16
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	doruftu i watched your video and the drifting is really nice. I like the skyline and the dancing. I ve seen this video before i think maybe on tremek.com. It looks like you are doing a lot of feints in that vid which look pretty on point. How fast were you going on most those entering the corner.

03-13-2005, 07:43 PM	#18
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	i just tried fienting without giving it gas or brake. Just using my steering and it was very hard. I got it to break traction a little bit but not enough due to my lack of speed. I was only in a small parking lot neerby my house. It wasnt enough to require counterstear but i was skidding. Should a just keep working on this and add more speed when i get to a bigger area or try adding gas or brake on the turn into the apex. When i apply gas it seems to understeer. How do you guys do it.

03-14-2005, 09:16 AM	#20
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	thanks for the help doriftu. I was watching the drift bible last night where he uses the ae86. He says in an underpowered car you need to heel toe than steer into the corner and brake let off the gas and hit the throttle hard. Doing this quickly seemed to get the car to go sideways pretty well for keichi. Its basically what you said except you dont slow the rear wheels with the kinda shift lock. He does use that technique with his braking drift in his s14. Im going to try both ways and see how it works for me. I understand now tht a feint is just something you do in addition to anouther technique.

03-14-2005, 07:56 PM	#22
2501 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio, US Posts: 104	From your video, you seem to be doing everything fine. I have had some seattime in a pickup lately, and as usual I cant drive it like it was meant to..... had is sideways in a Home Depot parking lot. I feel 1/2 armchair theory and 1/2 experience says that you should practice moving the car's weight more, just even moving it side to side. I learned alot driving a pickup truck. True it is no car, but fundamentally its the same, just with a poor weight distribution and massive body roll. I thought that video was great, except the dancing... I WANT YOUR CAR!!!

03-15-2005, 04:23 PM	#23
944drift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37	i tried a clutch kick today and omg it kicked the tail out real easy. I just turned and kicked the clutch and i was sideways. So much easier then braking and feinting and lift off.

03-16-2005, 12:34 AM	#25
Drift For Food OMG the ground's white! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 676	You mentioned not really getting sideways till the apex or half way through the turn. At this point, you don't have the option of feinting. From that point, it's all about upsetting the rear tires. Feint actually comes before the corner and starts the slide before you even get there. If you're trying to do something mid corner, it won't work. Maybe I'm just not clear on when you're trying these techniques. Feint can be done reguardless of throttle/braking. It's actually fun to vary it working while on the gas, then off the gas, then light and medium braking. You find the car wants to slide much differently in each circumstance. Yes, you do apply other techniques with it to achieve a set goal. I usually feint with some braking for most corners. When I had a rwd, I would feint and at the end of the feint, I'd mash the gas to help get the rear end out. With my awd, that's not so much an option as it actually gains some understeer with heavy throttle, even when feinting. Since you seem to be playing with this in a parking lot, you'll have a good amount of room to play around on, albeit, speed won't be high(feint is harder at slower speeds-needs heavier, quicker steering(more violent) to work) If you can get your car starting to slide with the feint, try a few techniques to learn to control the slide with the feint. First off, you will use no other inputs than steering. Try to rotate the car an X number of degrees with just the feint. How hard you toss the car determines how much the car will rotate before the rear end regains traction and you go back to rolling. Start out lightly and see if you can get the car to slide only a few degrees first, no counter steering either, just feint and hold wheel straight. Let the car slide and regain traction naturally. Then feint harder. See if you can work your way up to 90 degrees or more. The car should break traction, quickly rotate, and slowly regrip, and roll in the exit direction. It should naturally follow an arcing path, although less so as you feint harder up to say a 180 spin(probably impossible without heavy braking and/or some e-brake work...except at high speed maybe). This is something I did with my old Lesabre, the first car I started to drift with. Being fwd, with a foot e-brake, I had little for options. It came down to feinting and braking techniques alone. It's interesting how versitle those two techniques are both on their own and especially when combined. All the roads around my house are gravel back roads with a lot of sharp 90s. For most of the turns, I could come in at near the cornering speed, feint hard and begin to rotate the car towards the exit direction, 90 degrees left or right, before I get to the turn. As you enter the turn, your car is rotating from the feint. Somewhere around the apex, the tires will begin to regain traction and want to roll forward. This is where the car changes direction and moves towards the exit direction. This is more than you would do with a rwd though. Since I couldn't power out of the corner, all my rotation for the corner was done by the feint AND before I even entered the corner. It's a ballsy maneuver as you're done drifting before the corner starts...as in you already created the end result before you entered the corner. With a rwd, you only partially do this(although you can do just the same but wait for the throttle until the exit, not during the corner). You basically feint to the starting angle for the corner. Basically, it's a flick, countersteer and lay on the throttle. You may rotate the car intially 30 degrees or something through the feint, just enough to get the correct angle of attack. Then it's drift as usual and finish rotating the car around the corner and to the exit. Ok, I think I'm just babbling now. It's late, bed time for me. If the above is only somewhat coherent, that's because I'm only half awake and probably only half of it makes sense. lol That and I am kind of babbling off the top of my head.