Grip vs Drift

[my 1 88 u]

I keep hearing on this forum that drifting is for show and fun but has little practicle application in racing. It is a given that due to rapid tire wear it is not practicle in circut racing but what about a simple a to b corner entrance to exit time and recovery. This is a subject that i am not an expert on but feel it needs to be discussed and settled with scientific a physical evidence that people apart of this forum may be able to provide.

not the right question for this forum.
-reason being? ...a lot of speculations, and not real world experience.

[Ghost of Duluth]

Alot of people have mixed feelings on this. Mey personal take on it is that Drifting is rarely faster than grip during cornering. But there are times that it is better. If you did it in say a road race at Road Atlanta, you'd be blackflagged so fast or wrecked that it wouldn"t be funny. Grip is an entirely different monster than Drift. But I do believe that Grip need's be learned before you even think about Drifting. Grip teaches you an inordinate amount kn knowledge that you will use and modify for Drifting. It will also teach you car control and ease with your vehicle.

Because that first time you hang that rear end out, it is scary. I still feel a little kooky whenever I do.

[my 1 88 u]

not the right question for this forum.
-reason being? ...a lot of speculations, and not real world experience.


exactly, so if noone here is skilled enough to compare, someone must know who is and ask them.

[my 1 88 u]

why are people so affraid of this subject

[S13_Steve]

i would have to say drifting is only best on short tight swervy corners where u can slide around it faster then gripping would going from outside to inside

[1.3ltre]

i would say drifting tactically is best for nothing over a good line. i would say it does increase your driving skills tremendously through learning car control. You have to face it, drifting isnt racing, d1 isnt f1.

i would have to say drifting is only best on short tight swervy corners where u can slide around it faster then gripping would going from outside to inside

yea that could possibly be true

[jsigone]

I think that all drifters need to grip first. A newb can't just strap teh seat belt on and go sideways in the corner, he/she wouldn't know the line, apex, ect ect. Anyone that can grip with confidence can drift with just as much if not more. Gripping, in my opinion, better the driver skills and most importantly car control. When grip driving, when u push it, u slide the rear, and know the limits of the car as well. I don't have a RWD car, I went from FWD grip driving (getting the rear out was common for me) to AWD grip/drift driving. In AWD, the difference of grip and drift is almost enough to scare the *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* outta u. I learned and got use to getting sideways after it rains.

[ACDSupra7]

Drifting can be a good way to not get passed =\

[panda_3ight_6]

Drifting is a good way to lose a race, Inital D is a cartoon...In a real race...the only time a drift is going to help out... is maybe a slight slip of the rear wheels during a high speed S-curve... big giant drifts are almost pointless in a real race, because your pointlessly spinning your tires making no headway.. and your sidling sideways slowing your self down...

[my 1 88 u]

so you are saying that the hairpin tsuchiya was demonstrating different methods of drifting on would have been taken faster if he were to grip through the turn. (in the same car)

[ACDSupra7]

Yep.

[my 1 88 u]

you sure he wouldnt of understeered with that entry speed

[Chas]

No one knows what there talking about. Drifting is faster in SOME cases, rarely, but sometimes. Lets not let this go any further.

[ACDSupra7]

Originally posted by my 1 88 u
you sure he wouldnt of understeered with that entry speed

Dude wtf. If you think drifting is faster, take your car to the track and give it a shot. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Who knows, who cares.

[my 1 88 u]

Dude wtf. If you think drifting is faster, take your car to the track and give it a shot. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Who knows, who cares.




obviously i care, and someone knows, not you

[S13_Steve]

its all about the force..... no not star wars force...if u know what im talking about then ull get a good understanding... dont forget about gravity too...lolz

[Chas]

Thats what im saying, some cases. Think of like a u turn, and theres surrounding walls. Drifting will be faster, because you would have to slow down way to much with grip. You guys always fight over the stupid topic. Use whatever is best for the conditions. Ok take it to a track, you may have slower lap times, but using drift to block other opponeints could aloow you to win the race. Its been used sucessfully many times in professional racing series'.

[Phoen_x]

ok first of forget the Initial D anime when a question is asked about Drifting. Just like we try to put of the F&F crap out of our heads when people asks us why do we do the things with our cars.

I agree, some level of understand is needed of grip racing before trying to drift. Corner entry speed, angles, turning at the correct apex, etc relates to drifting. ALOT. Drifting isn't just putting a heavy foot on the gas, over steering into a corner, and then counter steer. Proper technique and understand is needed in my opinon. Look at Best Motoring, most of the pro drivers are in the JGTC, GT300, GT500, Super Takiyu, etc series. Which are grip racing. But if you look at some option dvd's or vids, most of them are also in the D1.

And there is a difference in EXHIBITION DRIFTING and BATTLE/RACE DRIFTING. Don't confuse the two because of Initial D. At Nopi Nationals 2003, that was Exhibition Drifting. The fastest they were drifting was maybe 50 mph. But if you look at the D1 battles, their going constantly on a track from 30-80mphs. I don't think a noob would be able to just drift like the best and not crash. And also, not being close minded helps too.

[my 1 88 u]

I am sick of people accusing others of just stating opinions, then state their own opinions as if it were fact.

[Phoen_x]

guess he wasn't paying attention when I said take the Initial D anime and EXHIBITON Drifting out when replying on this post. tsk tsk tsk

[my 1 88 u]

jan 1st 2004 i watched hours of wrc on the speed channel to see one stage that interisted me, the tarmacs of germany. they were not griping through all those turns

[1.3ltre]

stop watching tv and start driving.

[Dilandu]

But Takumi Drifts on every corner
and he always wins

[my 1 88 u]

he does not