240vs.miatavs.FC3svs.FB(firtscar)?

streetkid · 03-11-2004, 03:43 PM

I am finally starting to get my parents to think about my first car, and these are my choices..

240:there are several in my area,only a few are manual and they range from $3K-$5K.

miata: a man who lives less than five minutes from my house(and that's walking 30sec driving)collects these and hes got a few of them for sell.but I'm not sure on the price yet

FC3S:Ok I have like 5 or 6 of these in my area but like 3 of them are messed up.But I'm not really expereinced with rotary so..and
I heard they can be unreliable

FB:not really sure the guy with the miatas has one that he used to race behind his garage beside some other classics.The body is in good condition but I'm not sure about everything else

I know you guys hate these threads,but please answer mine

Misthael · 03-11-2004, 04:05 PM

I own an FB so I am FB biased, but and FC would be better suited for drifting. All should be great cars. I like 240 bodies, but it's just too common for me. Rotaries aren't unreliable. You just have to maintain them. Mine has over 137k miles and the recomended rebuild is at 100k for mine. It all depends on how you drive it and how well you maintain it... right rotary guys???

2¢

streetkid · 03-11-2004, 05:19 PM

ok thanks, hopefully more people reply but is a miata a good drift car? Oh yeah is a turbo engine swap for a FC hard or expensive?

ACDSupra7 · 03-11-2004, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by streetkid
Oh yeah is a turbo engine swap for a FC hard or expensive?

Both.

hachiroku-fc3s · 03-11-2004, 06:18 PM

Two good replies. So take heed. Miatas are good but have a short wheel base so can spin if you get crazy. Great when you know what you are doing though. Ive had 3 mx5s, good cars. Oh also because of the short wheelbase, stepping the rear out isnt as awe-inspiring. You really have to be going sideways to look like you are drifting in such a short wheel-based car. Doesnt mean its not fun, just thats the reason there arent any in D1. If you are scared of the rotary or listen to what ppl tell you then dont get an rx7. For a while I was tired of all of the Sr swapping 240 ppl and being an Rx7 man, recommended that everyone get one. They are fantastic cars btw. But I dont want ppl to have rx7s if they cant appreciate them. So if you have entertained any ideas of swapping in a piston engine, pick another car. Aside from that, you can drift anything, and as drifting is a performance motorsport, you will perform better in something that suites you. So drive each and pick the one you like the best. Good luck!

TP | sil-beer · 03-11-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Misthael
I own an FB so I am FB biased, but and FC would be better suited for drifting. All should be great cars. I like 240 bodies, but it's just too common for me. Rotaries aren't unreliable. You just have to maintain them. Mine has over 137k miles and the recomended rebuild is at 100k for mine. It all depends on how you drive it and how well you maintain it... right rotary guys???

2¢

right

TP | sil-beer · 03-11-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ACDSupra7
Both.

wrong

nissanguy_24 · 03-11-2004, 07:57 PM

How is a turbo engine swap in a NA FC that expensive? cant you purchase turbo 13bs for pretty cheap? then it would be a mater of making sure the fuel system and everything can handle it.. cutting a hole in the hood for a nifty top mount intercooler.

Ghost of Duluth · 03-11-2004, 08:32 PM

You want to swap in a Turbo engine into an Fc for your first car?

You don't want to drift then. Cause a person that wanted to drift would take the car they have and slide it. They wouldn't buy it and take it apart. What good is that? You aren't learning anything with that.

Get you a car that you can use if you don't want to drift as well. You may not like it or you may wreck it. Only takes one slip.

streetkid · 03-12-2004, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
You want to swap in a Turbo engine into an Fc for your first car?

You don't want to drift then. Cause a person that wanted to drift would take the car they have and slide it. They wouldn't buy it and take it apart. What good is that? You aren't learning anything with that.

Get you a car that you can use if you don't want to drift as well. You may not like it or you may wreck it. Only takes one slip.

I was just asking about the turbo engine B/C I was wanting to know about my options in the future if I kept it for a long period of time that's all.

hachiroku-fc3s · 03-12-2004, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TP | sil-beer
wrong

Well it's as easy as swapping an entire drivetrain and cost effective as buying a whole drivetrain as that is what the swap requires. Lets see cost of car=cost of drivetrain. Swapping drivetrain < buying a car with drivetrain. Im with ACD.

edit: stupid html tags

theflatlander · 03-12-2004, 12:55 PM

before my 7 went it had over 150k on it and that was due to my omp cracking so it would've gone prob. over 200k. you just gotta do maintain them

ProjectD · 03-17-2004, 08:04 AM

FC's unreliable?
hahah funny stuff. where'd this come from?

kaneda · 03-17-2004, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theflatlander

greatest avatar ever!

they're all good. it doesn't matter what you pick, they all have great potential. just be weary of old fcs, people don't always take as good as care of them as they should

streetkid · 03-17-2004, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ProjectD
FC's unreliable?
hahah funny stuff. where'd this come from?

A dud in a chat room who said turbo roataries , can mess upoften
then later he said FD's are slow as hell

then I figured he was lying(and he drives a civic)

X-nobody · 03-21-2004, 04:41 PM

I'm think about either getting a 240 (s13 or s14 if I find one cheap enough) or FC3S (non-turbo)

As a first car, you won't be getting to as much trouble if you don't do the engine swap. Personally I'm going to drift in a low powered car to master technique and control/feeling.

The 13b non-turbo actually live a fairly long time compared to the turbo ones. I've heard of guys track racing a whole season with one and not having to rebuild it.

The k24de should live like any other import 4cyl engine.

I guess it comes down to the how well each car is out of the box and with mods.. I don't see as many FC3S drift cars as 240's.. though maybe I'm looking in the wrong places...

Any got any thoughts on chasis differences ?

nissanguy_24 · 03-21-2004, 04:48 PM

FCs are alittle better balanced. But i've heard FC owners say S13s were easier to control. The FC will probably out handle a S13 out of the box though.

X-nobody · 03-21-2004, 05:32 PM

what about an FC3S vs a s14??

isn't the s14 much better balanaced than the s13?..

hachiroku-fc3s · 03-21-2004, 05:38 PM

A s14 is better balanced but not by much and I believe it weighs more than the S13. But I own both a FC and a S14 and Id take FC anyday over the s14. An FC still has better weight distribution and weighs less. Its like comparing an S13 and a soarer.

nissanguy_24 · 03-21-2004, 05:41 PM

Much better balanced?

Nah maybe a percent or two. Though i have to admit the Onevia body style is worse when it coems to distribution, Lightest rear, heaviest front.

But where only talking a 3 point difference or so. the S14 is probably alittle better balanced, its easier, which means more weight all around so the engine is probably only throwing it off less then the lighter S13.

The FC is still better balanced then the S14, and they are lighter then S14s. S14s probably handle better then FCs and S13s stock simply because there so much knewer. suspension bushings everything is alot newer then the S13s and especialy the FCs. modified though i would be surprised to see a S14 with similar mods out handle a FC, or a S13. though these are just my assumptions based on there weight and aproximate balance. no hard facts here.

X-nobody · 03-21-2004, 07:02 PM

hhmmm, you raise a good point nissan...

well if similar mods to any of the s13, s14 or fc would cause some interesting comparison problems...

i guess there's tons of s13 and s14 drift car examples..

anyone got any FC examples ??

I'm guessing it may come down to appearance, availability, and pricing..

hachiroku-fc3s · 03-21-2004, 07:07 PM

Canadians.

What are you guys talking about? FCs helped get this scene where it is. FCs were right alongside 86s back in the day. What do you mean "any good examples of FC drifters"? I come here figuring that maybe if I pick my threads wisely I will avoid hearing BS but I dont guess it can be helped. You guys are killin me.

X-nobody · 03-21-2004, 08:08 PM

BS really ???

I didn't say "good examples".. I just said "examples"..
I wan to see what other people have done.. suspension, brakes, roll cages, turbo's, etc..

no offense but i'm flipping though mags, watching the dvd's but I don't see any serious shots of or pics of FC's..

I take a look at the D1 japanese list.. I don't see an FC!!!
I'm looking at this amateur drift competition list and there's only 2 fc's.. 15 s13 and 5 s14's and its a 41 car entry list..

I totaly respect what an FC has done but I'm interested in how far the chasis can go and how far people have taken it..

is it just unpopular with the current drift crowd? underappreciated by todays top drifters ??

hachiroku-fc3s · 03-22-2004, 07:32 AM

Yes and all D1 cars are perfect examples of what drift cars should be. Soarers, GTOs, and Daihatsus, and I even saw one jump in a 360 modena. So we should all go buy those cars cuz they must be perfect for drifting. Yes, the FC is underappreciated. Ppl are scared of rotaries (I dont mean pros). But I prefer that to everyone getting an FC and not knowing what they are doing to their car, or swapping in a piston engine. The S13s are plentiful, cheap and relatively new. You dont see a lot of hachis compete at the pro level either. What do you see? Cars that these drivers want to drive. 350zs, Soarers, S15s. Are you a pro? Why are we talking about pros? Im not here to argue, but dont dismiss great cars.

delasoul909 · 03-23-2004, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hachiroku-fc3s
Yes and all D1 cars are perfect examples of what drift cars should be. Soarers, GTOs, and Daihatsus, and I even saw one jump in a 360 modena. So we should all go buy those cars cuz they must be perfect for drifting. Yes, the FC is underappreciated. Ppl are scared of rotaries (I dont mean pros). But I prefer that to everyone getting an FC and not knowing what they are doing to their car, or swapping in a piston engine. The S13s are plentiful, cheap and relatively new. You dont see a lot of hachis compete at the pro level either. What do you see? Cars that these drivers want to drive. 350zs, Soarers, S15s. Are you a pro? Why are we talking about pros? Im not here to argue, but dont dismiss great cars.

well said!

03-11-2004, 03:43 PM	#1
streetkid Soon to be slideways Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: N.C. Posts: 62	240vs.miatavs.FC3svs.FB(firtscar)? I am finally starting to get my parents to think about my first car, and these are my choices.. 240:there are several in my area,only a few are manual and they range from $3K-$5K. miata: a man who lives less than five minutes from my house(and that's walking 30sec driving)collects these and hes got a few of them for sell.but I'm not sure on the price yet FC3S:Ok I have like 5 or 6 of these in my area but like 3 of them are messed up.But I'm not really expereinced with rotary so..and I heard they can be unreliable FB:not really sure the guy with the miatas has one that he used to race behind his garage beside some other classics.The body is in good condition but I'm not sure about everything else I know you guys hate these threads,but please answer mine

03-11-2004, 08:32 PM	#9
Ghost of Duluth Sixgun Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 2,280	You want to swap in a Turbo engine into an Fc for your first car? You don't want to drift then. Cause a person that wanted to drift would take the car they have and slide it. They wouldn't buy it and take it apart. What good is that? You aren't learning anything with that. Get you a car that you can use if you don't want to drift as well. You may not like it or you may wreck it. Only takes one slip. __________________ Team SIXGUN, Don't whine about the food chain, be the top of it. Tokyo Pimps, Godzilla is coming. Lorin, oh Lorin, where have you gone?? If you're in the stands warming the bench, don't whine about the guys in the drivers seats.

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03-11-2004, 04:05 PM	#2
Misthael Operation 12A>13B Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Owasso, OK Posts: 357	I own an FB so I am FB biased, but and FC would be better suited for drifting. All should be great cars. I like 240 bodies, but it's just too common for me. Rotaries aren't unreliable. You just have to maintain them. Mine has over 137k miles and the recomended rebuild is at 100k for mine. It all depends on how you drive it and how well you maintain it... right rotary guys??? 2¢

03-11-2004, 05:19 PM	#3
streetkid Soon to be slideways Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: N.C. Posts: 62	ok thanks, hopefully more people reply but is a miata a good drift car? Oh yeah is a turbo engine swap for a FC hard or expensive?

03-11-2004, 06:18 PM	#5
hachiroku-fc3s Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: D/FW TX Posts: 549	Two good replies. So take heed. Miatas are good but have a short wheel base so can spin if you get crazy. Great when you know what you are doing though. Ive had 3 mx5s, good cars. Oh also because of the short wheelbase, stepping the rear out isnt as awe-inspiring. You really have to be going sideways to look like you are drifting in such a short wheel-based car. Doesnt mean its not fun, just thats the reason there arent any in D1. If you are scared of the rotary or listen to what ppl tell you then dont get an rx7. For a while I was tired of all of the Sr swapping 240 ppl and being an Rx7 man, recommended that everyone get one. They are fantastic cars btw. But I dont want ppl to have rx7s if they cant appreciate them. So if you have entertained any ideas of swapping in a piston engine, pick another car. Aside from that, you can drift anything, and as drifting is a performance motorsport, you will perform better in something that suites you. So drive each and pick the one you like the best. Good luck!

03-11-2004, 07:57 PM	#8
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	How is a turbo engine swap in a NA FC that expensive? cant you purchase turbo 13bs for pretty cheap? then it would be a mater of making sure the fuel system and everything can handle it.. cutting a hole in the hood for a nifty top mount intercooler.

03-12-2004, 12:55 PM	#12
theflatlander Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: North Dakota Posts: 393	before my 7 went it had over 150k on it and that was due to my omp cracking so it would've gone prob. over 200k. you just gotta do maintain them

03-17-2004, 08:04 AM	#13
ProjectD ww.SFLDrifter.com Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cooper City, Fl Posts: 84	FC's unreliable? hahah funny stuff. where'd this come from?

03-21-2004, 04:41 PM	#16
X-nobody Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA-eh!! Posts: 21	I'm think about either getting a 240 (s13 or s14 if I find one cheap enough) or FC3S (non-turbo) As a first car, you won't be getting to as much trouble if you don't do the engine swap. Personally I'm going to drift in a low powered car to master technique and control/feeling. The 13b non-turbo actually live a fairly long time compared to the turbo ones. I've heard of guys track racing a whole season with one and not having to rebuild it. The k24de should live like any other import 4cyl engine. I guess it comes down to the how well each car is out of the box and with mods.. I don't see as many FC3S drift cars as 240's.. though maybe I'm looking in the wrong places... Any got any thoughts on chasis differences ?

03-21-2004, 04:48 PM	#17
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	FCs are alittle better balanced. But i've heard FC owners say S13s were easier to control. The FC will probably out handle a S13 out of the box though.

03-21-2004, 05:32 PM	#18
X-nobody Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA-eh!! Posts: 21	what about an FC3S vs a s14?? isn't the s14 much better balanaced than the s13?..

03-21-2004, 05:38 PM	#19
hachiroku-fc3s Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: D/FW TX Posts: 549	A s14 is better balanced but not by much and I believe it weighs more than the S13. But I own both a FC and a S14 and Id take FC anyday over the s14. An FC still has better weight distribution and weighs less. Its like comparing an S13 and a soarer.

03-21-2004, 05:41 PM	#20
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	Much better balanced? Nah maybe a percent or two. Though i have to admit the Onevia body style is worse when it coems to distribution, Lightest rear, heaviest front. But where only talking a 3 point difference or so. the S14 is probably alittle better balanced, its easier, which means more weight all around so the engine is probably only throwing it off less then the lighter S13. The FC is still better balanced then the S14, and they are lighter then S14s. S14s probably handle better then FCs and S13s stock simply because there so much knewer. suspension bushings everything is alot newer then the S13s and especialy the FCs. modified though i would be surprised to see a S14 with similar mods out handle a FC, or a S13. though these are just my assumptions based on there weight and aproximate balance. no hard facts here.

03-21-2004, 07:02 PM	#21
X-nobody Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA-eh!! Posts: 21	hhmmm, you raise a good point nissan... well if similar mods to any of the s13, s14 or fc would cause some interesting comparison problems... i guess there's tons of s13 and s14 drift car examples.. anyone got any FC examples ?? I'm guessing it may come down to appearance, availability, and pricing..

03-21-2004, 07:07 PM	#22
hachiroku-fc3s Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: D/FW TX Posts: 549	Canadians. What are you guys talking about? FCs helped get this scene where it is. FCs were right alongside 86s back in the day. What do you mean "any good examples of FC drifters"? I come here figuring that maybe if I pick my threads wisely I will avoid hearing BS but I dont guess it can be helped. You guys are killin me.

03-21-2004, 08:08 PM	#23
X-nobody Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA-eh!! Posts: 21	BS really ??? I didn't say "good examples".. I just said "examples".. I wan to see what other people have done.. suspension, brakes, roll cages, turbo's, etc.. no offense but i'm flipping though mags, watching the dvd's but I don't see any serious shots of or pics of FC's.. I take a look at the D1 japanese list.. I don't see an FC!!! I'm looking at this amateur drift competition list and there's only 2 fc's.. 15 s13 and 5 s14's and its a 41 car entry list.. I totaly respect what an FC has done but I'm interested in how far the chasis can go and how far people have taken it.. is it just unpopular with the current drift crowd? underappreciated by todays top drifters ??

03-22-2004, 07:32 AM	#24
hachiroku-fc3s Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: D/FW TX Posts: 549	Yes and all D1 cars are perfect examples of what drift cars should be. Soarers, GTOs, and Daihatsus, and I even saw one jump in a 360 modena. So we should all go buy those cars cuz they must be perfect for drifting. Yes, the FC is underappreciated. Ppl are scared of rotaries (I dont mean pros). But I prefer that to everyone getting an FC and not knowing what they are doing to their car, or swapping in a piston engine. The S13s are plentiful, cheap and relatively new. You dont see a lot of hachis compete at the pro level either. What do you see? Cars that these drivers want to drive. 350zs, Soarers, S15s. Are you a pro? Why are we talking about pros? Im not here to argue, but dont dismiss great cars.