signs of a bad drifter

[s0nny80y]

i think KT said that for the judging criteria, counter-steering while exiting a turn is the sign of a bad drifter. call me an extreme n00b, but Initial D said that you can tell the character of a drifter from the way there tail slides at an exit of a turn. to much fish tailing is an agressive driver or something and all the good stuff.

[Drift For Food]

I don't know most for rules as far as judging, but in my mind, a proper drift should end with your car exiting on the outside of the corner pointing straight down the track with the car steered straight. Any deviation from this means you either too slow or too fast around the corner and your drift started, occured, or ended badly. In theory, everything should occur smoothly. You should initiate the drift using some technique, drift smoothly with very little change in angle or speed after drifting(assuming an even, non-changing corner), and you should come out the the drift smoothly and facing straight down the track. The line taken should be the optimum racing line, basically very closed to the optimum grip line except for any clearance adjustments for your car being sideways. This means you start on the outside of the track at the beginning of the corner, initiate and drift to the inside apex, continue drift back to the outside of the track on the corner's exit, and end the drift pointing straight down the track. You take the widest arc possible within the limits of the track and any obsticles. This is what I see as the perfect drift.

However, it's not necessarily what you'll see. If you're connecting one corner to another, you won't end straight cause you're setting up for the next corner. Also, if it's for show, you'll exagerate the drift and possibly do some stunts for show. I haven't been big in the whole drift competition thing, so I don't know how the judging works and what really goes on. Reguardless of what happens, in essence, a good drift is a drift that occurs exactly the way you want it to. If you were trying to do something and achieved it the way you planned it in your mind, then you did good. It's all control really. If you have total control, it's good. You may just have to get used to corner speed or learn racing lines better if you don't go in or come out well.

[SilverGhost]

this is the way i think about it.....if you are running touge (or something like it) i think a really good drift should be solid, with minimal countersteer and a sideways degree of like 30-40 degrees....just kinda a little slip of the rear tires on tight corners to make it around without breaking as much.

on the other hand, i think a good show drift should start far from the corner, stay sideways the whole way through the corner, and come out completely sideways, tires smoking, the whole nine yards. it should also be carried into choku dori (i love the way it looks and flows) for at least a few fishtails. in my eyes, when showing off, i think there is nothing sexier than travelling sideways on a straight stretch of road!

thats just my opinion, and what i like to see and do......

[grift]

your skill is one thing...but you must also have the equipment to do it. Sure you can drift in a stock or nearly stock car but having the proper suspension and LSD is the key. Big hairy ones help too. I guess what I mean is a good driver with a crappy car can only do so much and vice versa. that is why all the pros have expensive and full adjustable suspension, hard mounts, and race tires there equipment helps them to excel in what they do.

Drifting to me is when the car starts to slide at the corner entry and holding the slide all the way through to the corner exit under FULL control. anything, before, during or after is a little extra to show off your skill--hand out windows, special techniques etc. you can tell a driver by what they do for the whole drift just not part of it. I think silverghost and and Driftforfoood said it pretty well.

[PearlBlueSoul]

Originally posted by grift
your skill is one thing...but you must also have the equipment to do it. Sure you can drift in a stock or nearly stock car but having the proper suspension and LSD is the key. Big hairy ones help too. Drifting to me is when the car starts to slide at the corner entry and holding the slide all the way through to the corner exit under FULL control. anything, before, during or after is a little extra to show off your skill--hand out windows, special techniques etc. you can tell a driver by what they do for the whole drift just not part of it. I think silverghost and and Driftforfoood said it pretty well.

Imo...it's more about being smooth. Someone said it before but erratic angle adjustments or a choppy apex can be signs of someone who is still working on their technique. I know when I go riding I see people trying to lean and sometimes they "angle" a corner, i.e. they'll turn a long radius into almost the 3 straight sections of a parallelogram (kina like the shape of a \_/ ). Constantly readjusting their angle to try and clip the apex properly but they either 1) go too soon, or 2) turn in too sharp and have to compensate. I see this on some drivers too that have to use both lanes to drive canyons and togue while I only use one. They're trying to give themselves more room but unneccessarily.

If you're having to use 2 lanes on a canyon like Angles Crest where it's very long and gradual, versus a canyon like Sand where it's too tight to use one lane and your'e forced to apex, then you've probably got a novice on your hands and you can either pass where appropriate, or back off and let the person have room enough to not feel pressured and therefore make a mistake. I ran into a guy with a FC one night coming down angeles who was with another guy in a S13 and a chick in a civic. He was faster than the other 2 but still was using both lanes....couldn't understand it either when my car wasn't straining even the slightest. was kina like, "uuh".

BTW, there are 2 distinct styles (as I'm sure most of you who have watched "drift bible" know)...race and show. Occasionally I'll use race on togue to help get a little bit of rotation on specific corners I know that require it. But it can get tricky on canyons where there are elevation changes or dust mid-apex. That's really where you get the most out of it is when you know where the clip point is and where you should initiate it.

[SilverGhost]

on my touge run, there are only three driftable corners, all the others are faster if gripped hard. those three that i drift are very sharp hairpins, and they are what make or break a run.

[mranlet]

Initial D is also very dramatized...

-MR

[æ86]

if u base anything on real drifting from initial d especially how to judge a good drifter u really are a n00b and a homosexual at that!

[Tsunami]

Okay even though Initial D is one of the most accurate car show's around it's still not real. They do throw some stuff in there for show (like the STOCK 86 beating the 380hp Skyline*coughcoughbullcrapcoughcough) but it's as close to reality as you're gonna see tv get. Having said that countersteer isn't the sign of a bad drifter, you have to do it or you'll spin! What they mean is that a professional drifter can hold their car at a steady angle in the turn without having to correct. Aka the car stays at the same angle through the turn. Also some professional drifters can slide the car with just the throttle. They basically meant Takumi could do that.

[LoveMyGTS]

but Initial D said that you can tell



LMAO

[J-BloodAE86]

gee wiz guys, initial d just told me that civics are the best drift cars!!

WTB CIVIC HATCH...

[nissanguy_24]

Originally posted by æ86
if u base anything on real drifting from initial d especially how to judge a good drifter u really are a n00b and a homosexual at that!

This of course implies theres something bad with both new guys and homosexuals. i hope it was just a joke.

[s0nny80y]

Originally posted by æ86
if u base anything on real drifting from initial d especially how to judge a good drifter u really are a n00b and a homosexual at that!

then I must burn and shred my entire collection of Initial D DVD's!

(nah, jes kidding, only rented the first 4 episodes |comes in one DVD container|)

[delasoul909]

Originally posted by æ86
if u base anything on real drifting from initial d especially how to judge a good drifter u really are a n00b and a homosexual at that!

omfg! for one thing... dont flame... i looks really bad on your part showing that you have NO maturity at all (what are you? 12?)

second... i might agree that if he bases his drifting criteria on intial d he is a newbie (whis isn't spelled N-ZERO-ZERO-B)... BUT.. does that make him a homosexual? do you know what a homosexual is?!

think about things for yourself before you post... it really annoys me (and i bet other people) when someone flames another person

[baboon's a$$]

too many armchair drifters in here. jeez.....

[SilverGhost]

agreed..... i like intial D as entertainment, but i perfect my technique on the touge......and i get tips from Hyper Rev mag (yup, the JDM parts catalog)


OMFG!!!! today i found the most awsome touge in town....like 3 miles long, 2 lanes wide, and VERY uber tight turns...its insane!!!

[s0nny80y]

Originally posted by s0nny80y
i think KT said that for the judging criteria, counter-steering while exiting a turn is the sign of a bad drifter. call me an extreme n00b, but Initial D said that you can tell the character of a drifter from the way there tail slides at an exit of a turn. to much fish tailing is an agressive driver or something and all the good stuff.

i'm not a poser so i admit i'm a n00b, but to say im *Censored**Censored**Censored* (and with a bad connotation to those who are concered) which i'm not, is not mean, but immature

[nissanguy_24]

Iniital D is entertainment, But none the less its alot more realistic then something like fast and the furious.

I think you can judge a driver's skill by the angle the wheels are at when he comes out of a turn, Because its one of the hardest things to control perfectly the front wheels ending the slide. There location and direction will show how the car will behave, Forexample to far to one side and the car will swing around, beginners cause spins this way on accident, but a good driver could probably use it to initiate another drift. The smoothest drifts happen because the driver is on top of his wheel position and he moves his front wheels back in perfect sync with the rear wheels regainning grip, causing a beautiful smooth slide.

I dont know if thats what KT ment in the manga, but thats how i would judge it.

[MAJESTIC-12]

Originally posted by s0nny80y
i think KT said that for the judging criteria, counter-steering while exiting a turn is the sign of a bad drifter. call me an extreme n00b, but Initial D said that you can tell the character of a drifter from the way there tail slides at an exit of a turn. to much fish tailing is an agressive driver or something and all the good stuff.

ok first of all,
dont believe everything u c / here on INITIAL D - theres a reason why they are animated and not real

from what ive heard / experienced the main thing they focus on is control. if u can control a drift is good, if u can follow the drift through out the corner and onto the straight then that is good. the faster u enter / leave the better.... of course skill is required

[sobe]

DO IT!

[V8bosozoku]

Ahhhhhhhh Pearl, I see you play in my neck of the woods.......


Aside from the "Crest" and Sand canyon, you should try Spunky Canyon (connects Bouquet and San Francisquito). For pure, ball shriveling action......check out Westlake Village road (connects Westlake to PCH).

Or we can meet and drift West Bel Air

[PearlBlueSoul]

Originally posted by V8bosozoku
Ahhhhhhhh Pearl, I see you play in my neck of the woods.......


Aside from the "Crest" and Sand canyon, you should try Spunky Canyon (connects Bouquet and San Francisquito). For pure, ball shriveling action......check out Westlake Village road (connects Westlake to PCH).

Or we can meet and drift West Bel Air

heheh....we'll see. my motorcycle, which would've been my alternative ride to work once I sold the MR2, got stolen last weekend. So, my mustang project car is now on hold/hiatus till I can get enough saved up for a decent ride and parts enough to fix its initial problems.

I'll see you up at angeles sometime. hit me up over PM if you're gonna go up or e-mail me. I'd drive with ya.

[CrazyHawaiian]

Hmmmm, when I think of a bad drifter, I think of someone that continually exhibits no control in the same situations. Someone that you would feel unsafe riding with while they are drifting. To me, it dosnt really have much to do with how the drifts look from outside the car, but more to do with how much control the person has while drifting. Cuz even if the person's drifts didnt look too great, if they can prevent themselves from crashing when things dont go how they planned, then they have some ammount of control. I think the only time my theory does not apply is when people are experimenting with new tunes, techniques, or styles (unknown stuff is bound to happen). Other than that, if someone drifts the same track (or road) over and over and they continue to loose control over and over as in they are not learning from their mistakes, I would consider them a bad drifter. I've been in both situations where I'm the driver and I'm having a problem keeping control of the car, or I'm riding shotgun and I feel like I'm about to die. I think it just comes down to knowing the limits and staying within the limits. I remember once Matto took a ride with me in my Camaro and I was having a real hard time keeping control of my car. Just by looking at him, I could tell he was very unsure of my abilities and he thought he was going to die. After the event had ended and I had time to reflect, I realized that I was being a bad drifter, and I should not have done that to him. Instead of going crazy and trying crazy stuff, I should have just stayed within my limits and done what I knew would work (hell I even tried to do a 360 on the track). Bad CH bad!!!!

[Drift For Food]

Lol a 360

Can I ride next time? It's like 6 Flags but free! lol

[Tsunami]

CH ya got a pretty good point. Everybody want's to push it that much harder when you're friends in the passenger's seat, then you screw up and wind up feeling like a total *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*.