Braking Drift how-to (and why it works)

Brake drifting is amazing when done right. At hi-speeds is when it should be used but the transfer of weight and how the car get side ways is sweet. You do have to have good steering abillity and good throttle conrtoll but yeah its one of the best techniques to get sideways!

[escii]

Originally Posted by EVL-TE

Being someone who has only heard of drifting in Australia 6 months ago, i found that the Drift Bible helped me with my braking drift in my big heavy falcon.

Works a treat since i have a dodgy dash-mount handbrake and have to lean forward to use it, then it locks on and up a gutter you go.

Nice article. Hope everyone else finds it helpful as he is pretty much spot on with the technique here.

Hey, I've got a 96 VS, stock as a rock, how the hell can you break drift in that ( The EA ) , ive seen my mate do handbreakies in his and the suspension is soo poor??

Exactly how do you do it, a step-by-step breakdown would be helpful, ill try apply it to my doddgey VS and hopefully ill get the peice of *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* sideways.

[NM Drift Group]

I want to initiate a high speed, top of third or low 4th , drift down a straight like the pros did at Atlanta before entering their first turn.

What would you do?
What technique do you use?

[TIREKILLER]

Most of the guys were using their E-brakes on the first turn at Atlanta. I was using throtle lift. But dont take my advice, unles you DONT want to make it past Fri.

[bjjwannabe152]

when u use this breaking technique, are u depressing the clutch when u brake or have u shifted to neutral?

[TIREKILLER]

On corner entry you can leave it in gear with the clutch engaged and it will work.

Mid corner you usually want to leave it in gear or shift up or down if necessary for corner exit. But you should definately have the clutch disengaged. Then you can kind of adjust your angle with the brakes. Be careful too much brake will make you spin really quick.

There are tons of other ways to use the brakes to manipulate the cars atitude. But describing them to you isnt gonna make you any better at implementing them. You just have to go out and experiment and learn which button to push and when.

[Drift For Food]

Yes, you can hold the car at an angle with just braking. This is dependent on some car factors like suspension and brake bias setup. It's good if you can get the rear end to lock up first under hard braking. The car will feel unstable and squirrely under hard braking. It'll want to fish tail a little bit. It may be uneasy for someone not used to it, but it works well to allow you to position the car for a corner. You can modulate steering and braking pressure to rotate the car and adjust speed for the corner. It also allows you to start a drift a good distance before the corner and hold it. It's not the only way to do it.

I think e-brake is much more used as it is very effective at keeping the rear end way out without bleeding a ton of speed. Instead of hard whole car braking, you're only braking say 30% and achieving similar results. (the rear end only does around 30% of the braking as less weight is on the rear tires) It kind of depends on what you want to do and how your car behaves under braking.

An example is my Subaru. On gravel, it can get loosened up and you can get the rear end moving around...provided I disable ABS. I can just brake hard and rotate the car. However, on pavement, the suspension and brake bias will have the front tires lock up first in a corner. It will only understeer. In this case, the e-brake would be needed or some more input prior to my braking, say a moderate feint. I don't play on pavement much as in stock trim, my car doesn't feel too happy being pushed around under those loads. It's a whole lot more fun on loose gravel.


As far as the clutch thing, I guess that depends on what you're doing or should I say plan on doing next. For example, if I'm in the gear I want to be in for the corner, I won't touch the clutch, just feint a little and brake until it rotates, and I lay on the gas. With my old Ranger, it understeered and didn't have power to throttle over, so I used the shift to break the rear end free on entry. I'd come to the corner, turn in, and then I'd just drop it in second at idle and pop out the clutch. It was usually enough to break traction on the rear and get the drift started, worked almost like pulling the e-brake, very similar in effect. Just like the e-brake, it required you to be turning first, so it's a during corner thing. You could be braking at the same time if you wanted, didn't matter much. It all depends on what you want to do. Part of the fun of drifting is playing with the combinations of techniques and finding new ways to manipulate the car. There are tons of ways to do anything. It's just a matter of what works for you, your car, and the corner.

[edi25]

Good Thread, I'd have to agree with u, i found its a similar idea to fwd drifting, but instead of braking, oversteer then get off ur accelerator which will fick the back around, works good on roundabouts.... i mean 'on the track' . keep up the good work

[Driftnoob88]

what is better using the e brake or braking drift... and like exact instructions on how to ( step by step )

[Drift For Food]

Um, braking drift is done by braking...

you mean e-brake? That's a whole other technique.

[ryaquinn]

i love u mike

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Driftnoob88

what is better using the e brake or braking drift... and like exact instructions on how to ( step by step )

try watchin drift bible.

[Mike Peters]

Originally Posted by Driftnoob88

what is better using the e brake or braking drift... and like exact instructions on how to ( step by step )

1) get a rwd car in good shape
2) find legal events near you
3) pay entry fee for legal event, have someone teach you 1st hadn instead of reading on internet.

[JunpoweR]

This thread makes me cry cause everybody is getting so technical.
I learned brake drifting through experience.Nobody ever told me about it.
First things first dont stomp on your brakes.Second turn before you apply the brakes and do it in a progressive fashion.if you stomp you will understeer by locking up the front tires.Most times I dont even use the front brakes unless I am too hot into a turn but if you got the right speed for it then just let off the gas and use engine braking to start a drift.
Off the gas or braking just causes weight to transfer to the front tires and off the rear.letting weight off the rear will reduce traction and depending on how hard your turning, balance gas and steering vice versa.
BLAH BLAH BLAH..I can sit here typing a long story but all I can say is DO IT!!

Peters has the right idea!! reading about it is way diffrent than doing it.

Also ima let you all in a funny fact.

"grand turismo" GT1-2-3 helped me learn the physics of drifting better.when the game first came out.But doing it in a car is way diffrent.GT4 is even harder to drift with.Use A STEERING WHEEL AND PEDALS..

[grift]

Originally Posted by Mike Peters

1) get a rwd car in good shape
2) find legal events near you
3) pay entry fee for legal event, have someone teach you 1st hadn instead of reading on internet.

gonna have to agree.

[free motion]

Quick tip/add on to junpower's post-
In GT4 use the first person/in car view(not roof view) for a great drift practice tool. (the chase cam makes drifting very wierd and unrealistic feeling.)

actually, get live for speed or enthusia, the physics are more accuate...

[dAndrickPhoto]

Originally Posted by ACDSupra7

Ehhh just learn it in the canyons

Yeah good idea. I'm just looking to kill myself. lol Nahh but keep racing on the tracks. The Falken drift team is trying to emphasize that so everybody can enjoy drifting the way it's supposed to be.

[cfrost]

Originally Posted by grift

gonna have to agree.

serious.... why so much thought into this?

it's really not much more complicated than turning in and hitting the breaks

listen to peters... forget the games, forget being too technical (it'll make you overthink it), forget the internet. go DO it at the track

Actually, in my opinion, it is a good idea to head over to a go-kart track and practice racing there.

In fact, I am currently doing a school(senior) project on automotive racing, and I am going to do this "track day" thing with my friends(to save money by splitting the bill). I am saving up for a 911 SC or 3.2 ('80-'85). I am only 4k short of 18k.

My friend took me out karting, which I thought was a joke, because I had previously thought that karts were merely toys. I was proven very wrong. The karts were fast and responsive, a lot of driver feedback.

[Piner]

Originally Posted by atlantian

Actually, in my opinion, it is a good idea to head over to a go-kart track and practice racing there.

In fact, I am currently doing a school(senior) project on automotive racing, and I am going to do this "track day" thing with my friends(to save money by splitting the bill). I am saving up for a 911 SC or 3.2 ('80-'85). I am only 4k short of 18k.

My friend took me out karting, which I thought was a joke, because I had previously thought that karts were merely toys. I was proven very wrong. The karts were fast and responsive, a lot of driver feedback.

OMG your back!!!


Hell Yes!

yes I am. After a long leave of absence.

And by the way, isn't that kind of off topic from "brakes"?

ive practiced drifting for a while now and the only thing i have trouble with is to keep up with a continous drift i spin out after the third curve and i dont know if its because i use to much brake or because i dont stir on time.

two words scandanavian flick!!!!

[purpleDrifter]

The other cool thing about a braking drift is that your car can enter turns waay faster than everyone else, because you are braking. Contrary to what the D-1 judges say, I would say that the braking drift is the only "correct" way to enter a turn. In virtually all types of racing braking into a turn is the norm. It is the proper way to obtain maximum speed into and out of a turn. It is a myth that your car will be faster if you do not brake into a turn, it will actually be slower. If your braking is timed just right, you will also be able to exit the turn faster too because at just the right time, you can get back on the full throttle, thereby shifting the force to the rear tires and thus pulling your car out of the turn at the maximum speed possible (while also putting on quite a smoke show).