FORMULA D Rule Changes...

akuma S14 · 06-30-2008, 12:04 AM

Has anyone here seen the suspension set up on millen's pontiac? It is so far from OEM..... And how can the TC be anywhere near oem? This is like the chewbacca theory. Chewbacca is a wookie from the planet Kyshaak....OJ is not guilty!

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blaze1

They pushed the power rack back 6 inches and they welded the knuckles

niggaz at peak performance are pissEDD!!!!!!

All jokes aside, Formula D just isn't strong enough for a driver like takatori to dominate in there series.

Why: hes a non english speaking driver from japan, his main sponsor is based in japan. His victory will only raise questions about the credibility of the sport in states. He will not represent formula d in a good way.

Journalist - So who is your series champion this year"
FD - "M.Takatori"
Journalist - "Who is he?"
FD - "A driver from japan sponsored by super autobacs"
Journalist - " What is a autobacs" lol

Now a response to a champion like Sam, Tanner, Rhys, or even Fors

Is this takatoris/sa driftings fault? Nope, hes a great driver and deserves way better then this. I think the team came to the states in hopes of getting away from the biased drama in formula D. Just to get stuck in this debacle... maybe they should try driving in europe or ausfailia.

So all tied up, FD isn't ready for a unknown driver with unknown sponsors to succeed in they're series.

Just my opinion though

I'll do this in order...

8.3.4 Steering
Modifications of steering components are free.

That's right out of the Formula D rulebook...so whatever they wanna do to the steering is absolutely fine. Agreed? Okay...

According to Autobac's website, they have 600 stores. Including 88 Strauss Auto stores in NY, NJ, and PA, and the two Super Autobacs in Southern California. I'm sure they have an interest in having a car compete in the USA with their name on it.

If there is such an automotive journalist that doesn't know what Autobacs is, maybe that person should honestly just find something else to do for a job instead.

On top of that, Formula D went and held a special event in Singapore in April of 2008. Just for giggles, there is also an Autobacs in Singapore as well.

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by akuma S14

Has anyone here seen the suspension set up on millen's pontiac? It is so far from OEM..... And how can the TC be anywhere near oem? This is like the chewbacca theory. Chewbacca is a wookie from the planet Kyshaak....OJ is not guilty!

I think since there are no present "experts" in the realm of Pontiacs, Porsches, Vipers, etc, nobody at these events will really know what is OEM and what is not OEM. Highlighted information regarding the Super Autobacs drift car was brought to the attention of Formula D officials. Since Skylines are relatively popular these days, there are a lot of "experts".

blaze1 · 06-30-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by akuma S14

Has anyone here seen the suspension set up on millen's pontiac? It is so far from OEM..... And how can the TC be anywhere near oem? This is like the chewbacca theory. Chewbacca is a wookie from the planet Kyshaak....OJ is not guilty!

When your factory backed... everything is OEM.

Right???

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blaze1

When your factory backed... everything is OEM.

Right???

...couldn't have been said any better.

akuma S14 · 06-30-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blaze1

When your factory backed... everything is OEM.

Right???

zing! blaze is the winner!
I guess so but it still seems really funny to me... It's like a black widow complaining that a scorpion is too poisonous.

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 12:40 AM

Okay...so back to the topic.

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tyndago

So what you are saying is...that its ok for them to limit one car over another based solely on popularity and sponsors ?

Serious ?

Only the popular drivers "can" win ?

Only the big sponsors cars "can" win ?

How ridiculous of an argument is that in a supposed "professional" series ?

Lets just call it Formula - "bring us the most sponsor money to pad our pockets".

Fantastic! You can still call it "Formula-D" ...."Formula-D(ollars)"

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tyndago

I know that many of a certain type of Nissan have some pickup point modifications on a rear aluminum subframe.

Hmm...how which particular Nissan would use an aluminum subframe? I can't really think of it right now, but maybe at 3:50am, it'll just hit me. *sigh* I just need some Zzzz's. ;-)

tyndago · 06-30-2008, 07:39 AM

So I think I understand what actually happened now. Not "rule changes" but rather enforcement.

You have someone that reads the rules and sees OEM suspension. They use an OEM suspension off a different car. Missing a couple key points on it.

When they are questioned about it , rather than getting approval for it, they say that is OEM.

Now they are are going to get a slap on the knuckles for it.

Slapshotnerd · 06-30-2008, 08:33 AM

So the question that comes to my mind is...

How hard would it be for Autobacs to make the car legal??

Everything I've heard about the car has been heresay, but I know a few competitors weren't happy about it after the Atlanta event. From what I had heard, they modified the lower suspension pickup points and converted it to cefiro spec to use cefiro suspension since that's what they were familiar with. If that's the case, unless they did some major cutting and re-welding, it shouldn't be too hard to convert it back to skyline pickup points. Even if they did do cutting / re-welding, wouldn't they think to keep the pieces they cut off "just in case" they have to convert back to skyline spec??

brainfood · 06-30-2008, 08:58 AM

Does this thread have any basis in reality? From what I have heard from the horses mouth is that the car has been inspected and re-inspected because people keep bitching about it. Everytime it has been under the knife by FD officials its passed. Its not an s-chassis front suspension swap it is changed from dual a-arm to mcpherson front but the mcpherson strut comes from a different model skyline so it still comes from the same chassis so its technically legal. Just curious if this is real information in this thread or you just think you know whats going on?

tyndago · 06-30-2008, 09:32 AM

This is very much based in reality.

Heres the problem. No Skyline had Struts in the front. C34 had them , no R34's. They used OEM parts , but OEM parts from C34 not R34.

That is where there is an issue. Formula D can "pre approve" suspension changes. They could have said that the struts in the front are fine. SA could have said they are OEM parts , from a different Nissan.

olddrifter · 06-30-2008, 11:07 AM

Always been there now just making it to the surface......................

Brian · 06-30-2008, 02:14 PM

haha, maybe I am one of the few people who knows EXACTLY what the situation is on that car.

All this complaining about something so simple is the reason why a lot of people are starting to HATE the pro drift stuff in this country.

Oh well, thats what happens when you take a fun hobby and let people rip it apart and try to make a buck.

deadpirate · 06-30-2008, 02:35 PM

^^ you and me are one of the few BH

this whole complaint about the skyline is retarded

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Slapshotnerd

So the question that comes to my mind is...

How hard would it be for Autobacs to make the car legal??

Everything I've heard about the car has been heresay, but I know a few competitors weren't happy about it after the Atlanta event. From what I had heard, they modified the lower suspension pickup points and converted it to cefiro spec to use cefiro suspension since that's what they were familiar with. If that's the case, unless they did some major cutting and re-welding, it shouldn't be too hard to convert it back to skyline pickup points. Even if they did do cutting / re-welding, wouldn't they think to keep the pieces they cut off "just in case" they have to convert back to skyline spec??

How hard would it be? ...I'd say about 4 days, including paint and body work to make it all pretty again? Without paint and body work, and enough talented people, I think it can be knocked out in a day's worth of work. BUT, doing all this isn't really the "point" of it all...

I know a few competitors that weren't happy with the car after seeing it come out of the truck in Long Beach.

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brainfood

Does this thread have any basis in reality? From what I have heard from the horses mouth is that the car has been inspected and re-inspected because people keep bitching about it. Everytime it has been under the knife by FD officials its passed. Its not an s-chassis front suspension swap it is changed from dual a-arm to mcpherson front but the mcpherson strut comes from a different model skyline so it still comes from the same chassis so its technically legal. Just curious if this is real information in this thread or you just think you know whats going on?

It's very real. It has been inspected, and re-inspected. Everyone is "learning" on this car. It's real.

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

haha, maybe I am one of the few people who knows EXACTLY what the situation is on that car.

All this complaining about something so simple is the reason why a lot of people are starting to HATE the pro drift stuff in this country.

Oh well, thats what happens when you take a fun hobby and let people rip it apart and try to make a buck.

You know EXACTLY what the situation is on this car? I don't know who you are, so please introduce! =)

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deadpirate

^^ you and me are one of the few BH

this whole complaint about the skyline is retarded

The complaint about this Skyline is retarded...especially when the people making the complaints have questionable rule legitamacy themselves. It's like playing with fire.

courantcom · 06-30-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tyndago

This is very much based in reality.

Heres the problem. No Skyline had Struts in the front. C34 had them , no R34's. They used OEM parts , but OEM parts from C34 not R34.

That is where there is an issue. Formula D can "pre approve" suspension changes. They could have said that the struts in the front are fine. SA could have said they are OEM parts , from a different Nissan.

Formula D should just reconsider their decision, approve the SA entry and acknowledge that this situation could quickly escalate into something that may unravel more and more things. A sanctioning body can also stand behind their competitors and acknowledge a good thing when it comes...even if it comes from the land of the rising sun.

Brian · 06-30-2008, 03:28 PM

I'm Brian

Who are you?

eomund240 · 06-30-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by courantcom

So...with the mere idea of Autobacs not being able to come out to play, does anyone think that this will negatively impact the growth of drifting in the USA?

Growth in the USA, no. FD's popularity, yes. Politics are a dangerous field and they could end up burning themselves if they push it.

MonkeySlide · 06-30-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I'm Brian

Who are you?

Hes their transport and I believe part of their track support.

He also does the same for Juicebox and Harry Shelley

markshatchi86 · 06-30-2008, 08:47 PM

remember the day when we all had corollas and 240s and it was fun, cheap, and everyone got along?