FORMULA D Rule Changes...

blaze1 · 06-30-2008, 08:52 PM

driftroids

OpIvy · 06-30-2008, 11:54 PM

Interesting how Formula DRIFT allows in an entire SCION FF car because it's based on AWD euro-Toyota chassis and turns around to a Nissan and says they can't use OEM parts from another Nissan with the same chassis.

Toyota Avenesis

Scion TC

Nissan Stagea (AKA Skyline Wagon)

Skyline

The Stagea even comes with both suspension setups...same part #'s and everything.

Here you go...same chassis, both Stagea engine bays, the car is available with both suspension setups.

Notice the Stagea is also RB26 powered?

Hmmmm

Did I mention it's the Skyline Wagon?

So same chassis Scion is ok but same chassis Nissan is no good? Seems like Formula D has alot of explaining to do...

fuchu34 · 07-01-2008, 12:28 AM

yeah, why does scion get the ok but nissan gets the boot?

base your rules off either chassis or model but apply that rule to every car

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Originally Posted by tyndago

8.1.1.5 Vehicles that do not meet the above eligibility criteria must petition for Approval from Formula Drift.

8.3.1 The basic OEM suspension design must remain. Any changes to design type suspension must be preaproved by Formula Drift.

8.3.3 Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by Formula Drift.

so even if they have a problem with it being from another model, why did formula d not approve the suspension? i don't understand? not tubeframe cheatertype stuff, if it's all oem and they allow other cars to be approved with crazy suspension design changes and fabwork, why is the skyline the only car that gets picked on? i saw the car in person at round 2 and it is simple and clean compared to the likes of the super fab cars in the series like the sky, gto, solstice, tc, etc.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySlide

Hes their transport and I believe part of their track support.

He also does the same for Juicebox and Harry Shelley

I'm the transporter... ;-) I'm also the key holder.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I'm Brian

Who are you?

I'm Victor. Nobody knows me.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by markshatchi86

remember the day when we all had corollas and 240s and it was fun, cheap, and everyone got along?

It's still fun...maybe not so cheap, and all the true people still get along.

07-01-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by courantcom

It's been said that the modifications done to the Autobacs car is merely a glimpse into the future.

That's what I like to hear.

tyndago · 07-01-2008, 08:30 AM

Scion actually does not even need to explain itself according to the Formula Drift rules.

8.1.1.5 Vehicles that do not meet the above eligibility criteria must petition for Approval from Formula Drift.

If Scion/ RSR petitions to get permission , they can run any car. Formula Drift has the power to approve or not allow any car.

8.3.3 Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by Formula Drift.

Is there is a public list of pre-approved aftermarket suspension parts ?

In SCCA World Challenge, each vehicle had what was called a VTS sheet. Vehicle Technical Sheet. The VTS sheet listed the allowed modifications to each car. For instance, the Cadillac had the engine set back 10 inches and down 4 inches to be "competitive". The rear frame rails were raised, the whole body was lowered over the floor. All in the name of competition.

From what I understand, Formula Drift does not have any kind of pre-approved list. They should.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tyndago

Is there is a public list of pre-approved aftermarket suspension parts ?

Did anyone know that rule 8.3.3 states that Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by FORMULA DRIFT. Unless every single team got a pre-approval, then I guess every single team is in violation of this rule.

Maybe the pre-approval was a "nod and a wink", and I wasn't paying attention. Oh wait, I should ask how much it costs to pay attention.

Brian · 07-01-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by markshatchi86

remember the day when we all had corollas and 240s and it was fun, cheap, and everyone got along?

Those days are still here.
ALL STAR BASH

Brian · 07-01-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by courantcom

I'm the transporter... ;-) I'm also the key holder.

ah ok, well I'm friends with Roo...

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tyndago

8.3.3 Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by Formula Drift.

Is there is a public list of pre-approved aftermarket suspension parts ?

In SCCA World Challenge, each vehicle had what was called a VTS sheet. Vehicle Technical Sheet. The VTS sheet listed the allowed modifications to each car. For instance, the Cadillac had the engine set back 10 inches and down 4 inches to be "competitive". The rear frame rails were raised, the whole body was lowered over the floor. All in the name of competition.

From what I understand, Formula Drift does not have any kind of pre-approved list. They should.

The World Challenge VTS sheets are also available to the general public via their website. Everything is disclosed. Click here to see them. This is how the fairness is applied. EVERYONE and ANYONE can see it. It's available to everyone. Nothing like this is kept a secret, and not only that, but this method helps build spectators.

If you were a spectator in a series, and you're watching a "car" do its thing on the course, you MAY want to build one just like that one. With a VTS sheet, you can do exactly that. You can go and buy whatever "car" that is, follow the VTS, and recreate the thing that brought you to your feet at the event.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

ah ok, well I'm friends with Roo...

Nobody wants to be my friend. Will you be my friend?

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by deadpirate

^^ you and me are one of the few BH

this whole complaint about the skyline is retarded

...says your location is in Ventura. Don't you mean Riverside and/or the IE? ;-)

Hubert Young · 07-01-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by courantcom

I'm Victor. Nobody knows me.

Sure... Trying to be stealthy?

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubert Young

Sure... Trying to be stealthy?

Should I have my rockstar glasses on too then? ;-)

tyndago · 07-01-2008, 09:48 AM

It sucks when you are made an example of. Bad drifter...no cookies for you.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tyndago

It sucks when you are made an example of. Bad drifter...no cookies for you.

That's not true. In the spirit of a particular drifting sanctioning body, I can still have cookies. I just have to take off any chocolate chips that may already be on there already, and pay more money for each of them. There's no price chart or anything, so I have to wait for someone to come up with a figure and tell me how much more.

Hubert Young · 07-01-2008, 09:57 AM

I think the question to ask is that whether Formula D would had approved the skyline in the first place if the SA team had petitioned for it.

FD should also consider the fact that there is the Scion TC with radical changes to the drivetrain from FWD to RWD. Yes, they have petitioned but that modification was a stretch from the get go. Now you have a skyline with minor suspension modification with OEM parts from the C34 and it's deemed illegal? I know FD is simply enforcing a rule, but they are still responsible to maintain fairness.

I am sure something can be worked out. May be some kind penalty for the SA team for not going through the proper petition process. Ruling the car outright illegal is just wrong.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubert Young

I think the question to ask is that whether Formula D would had approved the skyline in the first place if the SA team had petitioned for it.

FD should also consider the fact that there is the Scion TC with radical changes to the drivetrain from FWD to RWD. Yes, they have petitioned but that modification was a stretch from the get go. Now you have a skyline with minor suspension modification with OEM parts from the C34 and it's deemed illegal? I know FD is simply enforcing a rule, but they are still responsible to maintain fairness.

Something can be worked out. May be some kind penalty for the SA team for not going through the proper petition process. Ruling the car outright illegal is wrong.

The car is NOT illegal, it's "ineligible", but can still compete at its current state. The wording is confusing in my opinion, but in the spirit of this discussion about a vaguely worded rule book, it's all fair game.

A penalty has already been assessed. All qualifying points earned to date has been deducted. A deadline to fix everything was set to September 10. No additional qualifying points will be accrued until the suspension is put back to original. $250 fine for each event entered prior to the September 10 deadline, or until the corrections have been made.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubert Young

I know FD is simply enforcing a rule, but they are still responsible to maintain fairness.

The SA team is looking for consistency in Formula D's rulings. If the Scion is given a green light, then so should the Skyline.

After seeing how all this has come about, they SHOULD have petitioned the car prior to even building the car, but in their defense, the rule book wording can easily be misinterpreted. On top of that, they were building a car with a translated rulebook in hand.

So what should be done as of right now? My opinion...I agree to a fine for not following procedures, but at the same time, that fine can NOT be outrageous.

Then, Formula D should just allow the car to compete as is, no additional penalties.

Brian · 07-01-2008, 10:52 AM

Unreal.

2009 here we come

jdmimpreza · 07-01-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubert Young

Sure... Trying to be stealthy?

That's because Victor is a ninja

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Unreal.

2009 here we come

2009 is inevitable. There are still 4 more rounds of 2008 left. The next round requires me to leave for Vegas next week. That means that this is the last weekend for anything to get done to the car if anything really.

courantcom · 07-01-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmimpreza

That's because Victor is a ninja

...who's a ninja?