FORMULA D Rule Changes...

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by _PG_

As soon as FD allows change of suspension TYPE than it would be legal. And as a designer, believe me I could do some wild *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* to take advantage of that rule. But I won't/don't until the rules allow it.

Why not ask them ? You can ask them for "pre-approval" right. Like taking FWD Scion and making it RWD.

8.3.1 The basic OEM suspension design must remain. Any changes to design type suspension must be preaproved by Formula Drift.

You think that the strut type suspension on a R34 chassis offers an unfair advantage over say a S14 with strut type suspension and an RB26 ?

How about then, do coil overs on a Corvette offer an advantage over leaf springs ? How about S14 rear components on a GTO ?

[_PG_]

Originally Posted by tyndago

Why not ask them ? You can ask them for "pre-approval" right. Like taking FWD Scion and making it RWD.

8.3.1 The basic OEM suspension design must remain. Any changes to design type suspension must be preaproved by Formula Drift.

Then they should have read that setion of the rule book and attempted to get this pre-approved.

You think that the strut type suspension on a R34 chassis offers an unfair advantage over say a S14 with strut type suspension and an RB26 ?

Yeah, cause an S chassis feels like its made out of tin foil, and an R34 is a much more robust chassis.

How about then, does coil overs on a Corvette offer and advantage over leaf springs ? How about S14 rear components on a GTO ?

Springs are springs. Springs and shocks should be packaged however is the most convenient, as long as its not changing the overall integral design of the suspension type. If you want to run torsion bars and a rotary shock for some reason, go ahead, it does the same thing as a more conventional setup, its just in a smaller package.

As for the GTO... Is the hub still GTO? And the subframe? You can string the 2 together with magical boners for all I care, the hub needs to be GTO and the Subframe too.

[facked_yer_mom]

orido is comming!!

[_PG_]

Also, there is another pretty clear cut issue:

Is the front spindle on the SA R34 from an R34 SKYLINE (since that's what the car is)? I doubt it, because the R34's spindle wouldn't have provisions for strut suspension. This will again open up a can of worms cause the spindle is from another car.

[courantcom]

Originally Posted by facked_yer_mom

orido is comming!!

Is his car pre-approved? hahaha

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by _PG_

Is the front spindle on the SA R34 from an R34 SKYLINE (since that's what the car is)? I doubt it, because the R34's spindle wouldn't have provisions for strut suspension. This will again open up a can of worms cause the spindle is from another car.

8.3.2 Uprights/hubs front cross member and rear sub-frame
Major suspension components must remain OEM.

The SA car uses OEM components. They are not after market or fabricated parts. They are OEM Nissan parts.

[courantcom]

Originally Posted by _PG_

Also, there is another pretty clear cut issue:

Is the front spindle on the SA R34 from an R34 SKYLINE (since that's what the car is)? I doubt it, because the R34's spindle wouldn't have provisions for strut suspension. This will again open up a can of worms cause the spindle is from another car.

Yah...I can see how a different spindle can offer an over the top advantage over any other car's spindle. I mean...you know, if it lets the wheel spin differently on them and what not. Maybe the girth of the shaft is all that matters...at least, that's what I've been told.

[_PG_]

Originally Posted by courantcom

Yah...I can see how a different spindle can offer an over the top advantage over any other car's spindle. I mean...you know, if it lets the wheel spin differently on them and what not. Maybe the girth of the shaft is all that matters...at least, that's what I've been told.

You are retarded to think that's all a front spindle is capable of. Forget about the points and manner in which the front suspension bolts to it, since that obviously doesn't effect the car's handling at all.

[courantcom]

Come on everyone, Round 4 is coming up! What do we do to move on? I suggest:

1) FINE the SA Drift car $500 for their inability to follow pre-approval directions.
2) Use that same $500 to pay a knowledgeable worker to create and make VTS sheets. How many hours would it take to do this? Well, they have until next Wednesday to finish. I think that's enough time. You know...make the sheet, send it out, make everyone finish it, send it in, process the information, and MAKE IT PUBLIC on the website.
3) Change the rulebook to provide for VTS sheets.
4) Make ALL CARS IN THE SERIES LEGAL AS THEY SIT right now.

I see no distinct advantage each entry has over one another. I've seen each car win and lose against other cars and drivers in the series. Not a single car/driver is clearly dominating the field. NOW....all cars in the series have to complete VTS sheets that completely disclose EVERYTHING that's been done to their cars, and I mean everything. I'm going to leave this statement as is so that we can discuss this. I'm sure others will have concerns with what I just suggested.

[courantcom]

Originally Posted by _PG_

You are retarded to think that's all a front spindle is capable of. Forget about the points and manner in which the front suspension bolts to it, since that obviously doesn't effect the car's handling at all.

I just wanted to talk about the girth...

[_PG_]

Originally Posted by tyndago

8.3.2 Uprights/hubs front cross member and rear sub-frame
Major suspension components must remain OEM.

The SA car uses OEM components. They are not after market or fabricated parts. They are OEM Nissan parts.

I missed this post. FD should write that more clearly as to what they intend.

I can then take OEM [insert other car] and put it on my car because its OEM from [insert car manufacturer].

Does it mean OEM and specific to that chassis? Or just OEM in general?


And I agree with people... that tC is a piece of work. but it ws "pre approved" so there's nothing you're gonna do about it for now.

[thenewguys]

I think another rule that the R34 violates is:

8.1.1.4 Cars must maintain the original OEM unibody and/or frame structure between the original front and rear suspension mounting points.

It seems like the front unibody has been changed to a C34?

The GTO would be guilty of a shock violation but there isn't a rule that specifys what shocks you can or can't use. The Corvette would be guilty of a spring violation but there are no rules on what spring you can or can't use.

Just my 2 cents.

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by thenewguys

The GTO would be guilty of a shock violation but there isn't a rule that specifys what shocks you can or can't use. The Corvette would be guilty of a spring violation but there are no rules on what spring you can or can't use.
Just my 2 cents.

No rules on what spring you can use ? Whats this ?

8.3.3 Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by Formula Drift.

Suspension parts. Coil overs. Camber plates. Tension rods. Adjustable lower control arms. Stiffer bushings. Should I go on ?

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by _PG_

I missed this post. FD should write that more clearly as to what they intend.

I can then take OEM [insert other car] and put it on my car because its OEM from [insert car manufacturer].

Does it mean OEM and specific to that chassis? Or just OEM in general?

Now translate these same sections to Japanese and back, and see if you see any mis-interpretation.

Do people truly believe that they put this suspension on the car to skirt the rules, or do people think that there is a chance that they read the rules and actually thought they were ok by using OEM Nissan parts ?

Consistency.

[_PG_]

Originally Posted by thenewguys

I think another rule that the R34 violates is:

8.1.1.4 Cars must maintain the original OEM unibody and/or frame structure between the original front and rear suspension mounting points.

It seems like the front unibody has been changed to a C34?

The GTO would be guilty of a shock violation but there isn't a rule that specifys what shocks you can or can't use. The Corvette would be guilty of a spring violation but there are no rules on what spring you can or can't use.

Just my 2 cents.

The intent of the rules is that its OEM from the same car. They'll argue that its OEM from a different car that fits the R34 close to perfectly so they are in no violation of the rules. But just because it happens to fit correctly doesn't mean it should be allowed. I'll take some OEM parts from one car and "fit" them on another if that's the case.

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by _PG_

I'll take some OEM parts from one car and "fit" them on another if that's the case.

Like S14 rear shocks on a GTO ?

[_PG_]

Originally Posted by tyndago

Like S14 rear shocks on a GTO ?

Who the *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* cares? about what shock you use in the rear? It has nothing to do with changing the SUSPENSION TYPE/GEOMETRY.

You know... coilover companies only have a certain number of shock sizes and lengths. So they use the same rear shocks on a lot of stuff. WHO CARES. Shocks/springs are just that. If they are integrated into the suspension and thus change the manner or type of suspension, then there is a problem. IE what SA did to the front of their car.

[courantcom]

My suggestion will solve all....and then we won't have to care about what suspension anyone has...or anything for that matter. Everything will be just the way it was, and everyone can just concentrate on making sure that they put on a good show.

[BELLE-1COMM]

Originally Posted by courantcom

Everything will be just the way it was, and everyone can just concentrate on making sure that they put on a good show.

And dammit! Thats what were prepping for now! A DAMN GOOD EVENT FOR THE HARD CORE FANS. I'm sure most of you are looking forward to it! I know I am!

Peace!

[carboy]

PG...you are getting owned left and right but tyndago...i think your time has passed and you should just ignore this thread...you are just looking more and more like a moron

[deadpirate]

Originally Posted by carboy

PG...you are getting owned left and right but tyndago...i think your time has passed and you should just ignore this thread...you are just looking more and more like a moron

PG knows his *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*. dont knock him on that. however, i dont think PG has actually gone over the car like some people have.

i have no hate for PG, or anyone else in the series. i just want to know, if SA had contacted formula D during the building process, would formula D have gone and sent someone to japan to approve the build

[drift52390]

You all should go check out the drift zone's new video #21...

Apparently SA violated some suspension rule regarding to the front suspension setup on their R34. They said that the R34 Skyline comes from the factory with a double wish-bone setup in the front. But SA changed it to accomadate struts. By doing that they violate some rule where all FD cars has to maintain the original configuration. My wording my be kinda off a tad but they sort of explain everything in the video on the the drift zone. My only question is, what took FD and Ryan Sage so long to notice this. Last time i checked, are there "some" sort of inspection of all cars running prior to the event before they are allowed to hit the track or something? This situation reminds me of what happend to Rhys Millen last year in New Jersey. They waited after the whole event was over on a monday to tell Rhys he's gonna lose points and money because of his tailights.

[Brian]

^^^^^
oh, no kidding?
there is something wrong with the r34?

what happened?

[Slapshotnerd]

Originally Posted by drift52390

You all should go check out the drift zone's new video #21...

Apparently SA violated some suspension rule regarding to the front suspension setup on their R34. They said that the R34 Skyline comes from the factory with a double wish-bone setup in the front. But SA changed it to accomadate struts. By doing that they violate some rule where all FD cars has to maintain the original configuration. My wording my be kinda off a tad but they sort of explain everything in the video on the the drift zone. My only question is, what took FD and Ryan Sage so long to notice this. Last time i checked, are there "some" sort of inspection of all cars running prior to the event before they are allowed to hit the track or something? This situation reminds me of what happend to Rhys Millen last year in New Jersey. They waited after the whole event was over on a monday to tell Rhys he's gonna lose points and money because of his tailights.

You didn't read the thread, did you? Your explanation is in this thread.

[drift52390]

Originally Posted by Slapshotnerd

You didn't read the thread, did you? Your explanation is in this thread.

Yes I did actully. I just love restating the obvious lol jk