(V8 PREDICTION) What Percentage of the 2011 Builds Will Have a V8?

[ztkrevolution]

yeah when xdc came to my town, about 60-75% had v8s. i hate this whole inv8sion lol but you cant help but having to give in to be competetive

[theSidesweep]

Originally Posted by ztkrevolution

yeah when xdc came to my town, about 60-75% had v8s. i hate this whole inv8sion lol but you cant help but having to give in to be competetive

eh, i enjoyed the assortment of engines, it's what made the sport somewhat unique. SR's, RB's, JZ's, VQ's, etc. sound like a "harmony" (i guess) to me, rather than a combined drone of LSX's/Coyote's and the occasional VK. by no means am i a "purist", i just enjoy variety.

[ztkrevolution]

i know exactly what you mean. i love the sound of a boosted straight six personally

[Bebop]

I just wish you didn't NEED a V8 to be competitive

[Justin Banner]

Originally Posted by Bebop

I just wish you didn't NEED a V8 to be competitive

Well, really you don't. It's the budget vs. performance vs. reliability equation. You want a four cylinder that will keep up with the V8s and be reliable, you better have a really good budget. You want to perform but not soak up the budget, good bye reliability. If you want it reliable and budget friendly, yeah, say no to performance. In terms of staying as budget friendly as possible and still being competitive, yes, you need a V8.

[theSidesweep]

Originally Posted by Justin Banner

Well, really you don't. It's the budget vs. performance vs. reliability equation. You want a four cylinder that will keep up with the V8s and be reliable, you better have a really good budget. You want to perform but not soak up the budget, good bye reliability. If you want it reliable and budget friendly, yeah, say no to performance. In terms of staying as budget friendly as possible and still being competitive, yes, you need a V8.

I don't know if it's necessarily the budget, as I'm sure huge teams like Falken, etc. or whoever else have plenty of cash to build their cars however they'd like. Fact of the matter is that V8's have more low end response and instant torque anywhere you need it, which is all teams care about. It's perfectly possible to build a competitive 4 or 6 cylinder, but they're practically an endangered species in Formula D right now.

[Bebop]

I'm sorry but the way the sport is judged and presented its virtually impossible for a V8 to win a event let alone win a championship. Justin your acting like the most of the field is running out of the box LS1s. The top V8 teams are spending just as much if not more money then the top non V8 teams on motor prep and maintenance.

[Justin Banner]

Originally Posted by Bebop

Justin your acting like the most of the field is running out of the box LS1s. The top V8 teams are spending just as much if not more money then the top non V8 teams on motor prep and maintenance.

Yeah, the TOP teams. Trust me, I've been told how much engines cost for the top performing teams in FD, and they are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, even a mid tier FD team will probably run a LS6 or LS7 (and if what I'm hearing is true, one of those mid tier guys is going to no longer be running just a mid tier LS)

However, the lower tier, grassroots, and lower to mid tier XDC guys run the less expensive LS1s out of the box because it is cheaper. I half expect one of them to run an old iron-block 350ci at some point. I just wish someone would go ahead and do a Ford 351 or a Mopar 340 at some point for a little more variety (though I am glad to hear that there will be a Mopar V8 under a 350Z in XDC ).

[Bebop]

I thought this was about FD?

But yeah, if drivers are going from V8 to more powerful V8 that just proves my point a bit more, you NEED V8 to competitive in FD.

[Justin Banner]

I thought it was about all of American drifting... Oops. Oh well.

I agree, in FD you need a MAJOR budget to make a 4 or even 6 cylinder competitive.

[YOitzJDM]

Originally Posted by Justin Banner

I thought it was about all of American drifting... Oops. Oh well.

I agree, in FD you need a MAJOR budget to make a 4 or even 6 cylinder competitive.

Budget doesn't matter, you can't be competitive in FD without a V8, that's the point. Name a 4 or 6 cylinder car that is 'competitive' in FD right now. I can't think of one. MAYBE if Tuerck was in the solstice and still had the ecotec motor, but that's the only car that I feel is competitive.

[Justin Banner]

Aasbo's car can be. He was fast at Atlanta, according to Mike Kojima and if he hadn't dirt dropped, Dai might not be in the position for the championship he is in right now. Walker did really well at NJ, but broke a differential. Graven did well, too, and I think he will be a force to be reckoned with at Evergreen.

[Bebop]

Originally Posted by YOitzJDM

Budget doesn't matter, you can't be competitive in FD without a V8, that's the point. Name a 4 or 6 cylinder car that is 'competitive' in FD right now. I can't think of one. MAYBE if Tuerck was in the solstice and still had the ecotec motor, but that's the only car that I feel is competitive.

And maybe Rhys's 08 solstice as well.


Aasbo situation is a if, but the sad thing is there's probably 2 other V8 cars with the same or smaller budget that are ranked above him (Powers and Dai). I really don't see why teams like Bergenholtz and Papadakis even put forth such a huge effort knowing they will probably come up well short of first. Oh yeah round of applause for Mohan, putting the hurt on with a 2 rotor.

If I had to rank the cars by classes today the leaders would be:

Open Class: - Yoshihara
Domestic Muscle Class - Pawlak
Turbo Class - Mohan
Short Wheelbase Class - Russakoff

[ztkrevolution]

if rhys wasnt so focussed on rally i think i would say his stroked 6 is competetive. that things fast as fuh!

[Bebop]

Rhys's car breaks every other event

And to top it off when he first debut it they had to run a VQ... I sometimes question if the Hyundai V6 is actually really in there.

[theSidesweep]

Just from hearing Millen's car, doesn't sound like he's running the VQ anymore. As far as Aasbo goes, I feel like he could be SO much more competitive in his Supra, seems like he's much more acclimated to the feel of a 2JZ rather than the boosted 2AR.

[ztkrevolution]

yeah the supra fit him well and thaat thing kept up all over the place

[Bebop]

Remember Aasbo showed up to FD 2 times before his breakout at long beach 2010

Red Bull World Championship he looked....okay

Irwindale 09 he qualified like 32nd and was easily eliminated out the competition.

Things take time....but one thing is for sure, he wont ever win a championship in that car if the sport stays the same.

[YOitzJDM]

Originally Posted by YOitzJDM

12/12 podiums are now V8's
15/16 top 4's are V8's (GO RUSKAKOFF!)

Aasbo made a break-thru!

14/15 podiums are V8 (Aasbo being the lone ranger)
17/20 top 4's were V8 (Aasbo, Ruskakoff, and Millen)

9 of the top 9 in FD results are V8, 11 of the top 16.

it's a V8 series whether you like it or not.

[HolleyPerf]

There will most likely always be those involved in the sport that are purists. What I mean by that is that they will always want to keep the stock engines in the car and leave it to modifying it for competition.

But with the rest of those involved in the motorsport, it's becoming more and more obvious, what with the writings of Mike Kojima and the experience of drivers on track that stressing a v8 engine out is a lot less stressful than doing so with a smaller displace engine, be it of a 4 or 6 cylinder variant.

The LS engine will continue to grow in popularity within the next few seasons!

[Bebop]

Originally Posted by HolleyPerf

There will most likely always be those involved in the sport that are purists. What I mean by that is that they will always want to keep the stock engines in the car and leave it to modifying it for competition.

I dot think there are very many purists on here. I for one just want to see broader competitiveness across the field.

[INFO]

Rhys Millen Racing

-"Only non-V8 to win an event in the 2011 series." (NOTE: One more event left)

[ztkrevolution]

Originally Posted by INFO

Rhys Millen Racing

-"Only non-V8 to win an event in the 2011 series." (NOTE: One more event left)

time to throw up my RMR gang sign

[YOitzJDM]

Season is over.

18/21 podiums were V8 (Aasbo / Millen 2x)
23/28 top 4's were V8 (Aasbo, Ruskakoff, and Millen x3)

All of the top 8 were V8's, 12 of top 16 were V8 (Gushi, Aasbo, Millen, and Mohan were the exceptions).

Breaking it down to top 25, only 9 of 25 were smaller than a V8