grip vs. drift, which one is really for speed on the track, or the fastest?

Mackenzie · 12-01-2004, 05:36 PM

on the track which technique will win in a race? or which technique will get the fastest time? basically which one is faster? i think i might change sides from drift to grip. dont know yet.

sdtouge · 12-01-2004, 05:42 PM

it will be different from driver to driver bbbut i beleive tighter smaller radius turns drift is bettrer while larger smoother turns are better for grip.

overall grip will give you better more consistent lap times because drifting even the best mspin out and mess up.
drifting is much more fun though

scirocco · 12-01-2004, 06:45 PM

http://www.drifting.com/forums/showt...&threadid=7820

try using he search button... this has been discussed in depth by malcolm, GridRaceTech, ryan and I.

BooZTT · 12-01-2004, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scirocco
http://www.drifting.com/forums/showt...&threadid=7820

try using he search button... this has been discussed in depth by malcolm, GridRaceTech, ryan and I.

Thanks scirocco we need to stop repeat threads like this..haha!

spock · 12-01-2004, 07:46 PM

It's pretty obvious which is faster. It's not like you see Michael Schummacher sliding all over the place when he's racing.

Buddyworm · 12-02-2004, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spock
It's pretty obvious which is faster. It's not like you see Michael Schummacher sliding all over the place when he's racing.

F1 cars drive like they're on rails though. In some cases it's faster to drift than grip. Take a really tight hairpin for instance.

B-Wurm

SidewaysGts · 12-02-2004, 03:20 PM

I like repeat threads hoenstly.. kinda like the idea got a new life, and you dont have numerous pages of bs to sift through to try and catch whats going on.

To keep this as simple as possible: The fastest way is drift, but now the type your probably thinking of.

Its mor commonly known as a slip angle, talking like up to around 10 degrees max, this depends a lot on the car suspension and most importantly the type of tire your sitting on. Once again to be simple; because of the way a constact patch is strethed, tires can make more lateral force (messure of grip if you like) with a small rotation.

Actual "drifting" though like youd see in d1 or for the most part, initial d is -rarely- the fastest way. Drifting can have some advantages on lowspeed tight (hair pin) corners to some extent, basicly because at this point theres advantages to rotating the car around the corner, instead of using the tires to turn it.

Added: As for you mister Spock, it was a pretty bad idea to bring up Michael Schummacher. Hands down one of if not these fastest cart racer there is, he however DOES indeed slide his cart through the corners. Well into at least, hes pretty straightb y the apex. Malcom can get further into detail (and is more then happy to it seems haha). From what i hear he actualyl confuses the onboard computers because hes going faster then he should be..

Anyways yes, Michael Schummacher does indeed "slide" into the corners a bit of the time just up to the apex it seems.

scirocco · 12-02-2004, 03:37 PM

Just to let you know, I don't mind the repeat threads, but this is a question that has been answered in almost every respect so I think it's about finished... others, however, can really contribute to this forum. Also, I know others sometimes can't appreciate it as much as some of us do.

Parry · 12-02-2004, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scirocco
Just posting more about stuff I have no clue about...

How about you contribute some real pics of your car or go away for another 6 months?

I ain't forgotten. You're a fkn liar.

SidewaysGts · 12-03-2004, 12:25 AM

Did i miss something

Parry · 12-03-2004, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SidewaysGts
Did i miss something

Here:

Quote:

Originally posted by scirocco
I have a scirocco...mine is AWD and weighs 1552 pounds... beat that j/k, im not taht cocky about it, but i am serious, AWD and 1552 pounds

Well his claimed ownership of that car is a lie, the car's specifications are a lie, the fact that it's HYABUSA POWERED is a huge lie, the fact that he's a racecar driver with a car that is only leagal to run with the Supermodifieds...

(here's the quote, just for kicks)

Quote:

Originally posted by scirocco
thats the category my scirocco would run in. I have yet to see an SCCA or NHRA sanctioned event that i can qualify for, too many illegal parts and unregistered safety equipment even though my race car is very safe.

Yea sure. The fool doesn't even know what a supermodified is, I don't think.

Before you start in going "now now Parry you just have it in for the poor kid" let me tell you two things.

FIRST, I and others have been over the impossiblity of his car serveral times and how ignorant and blatantly false his responses were. For example his claimed weight of 1552 pounds...fully gutted front wheel drive mk1 sciroccos (his is a mk2) wiegh in at around that without the driver. Add the extra weight of the all wheel drive system (did I mention he claims to have ATTESA? because he did...) and he would be well over 1552. When this was pointed out to him he claimed the car was made out of crazy wild space-age materials...

here's a few more quotes for you:

Quote:

Originally posted by scirocco
custom built drivetrain, based on RWD (it is 20% front and 80% back) on launch, but if for some reason the fronts lose traction a lot, 100% CAN go to the rear. It is controlled by the same ecu as the skyline v35, but has been modified for track racing and drifting as i said.

Perhaps the fronts loose traction because this is LIES and the car's front wheel drive?

Quote:

Originally posted by scirocco
ya my car is cheating too i guess what with awd, custom abs, million decibel exhaust, AYC, realtime automatically adjustable airbags, would kill me if i crashed... d1 wont let me in but i think they should have AWD and FWD classes

Oops, yea, there you go. I forgot he was running active (air ride) suspension.

Yea, anyway. Pretty good stuff, huh?

SECOND, before you go blabbering on about me having it in for him, here's news.

YES, YES I FKN DO.

This kid is a bullsh!t factory and deserves the ban-hammer. Why it has not fallen I do not know.

SidewaysGTS you got PM by the way...

SidewaysGts · 12-03-2004, 08:10 AM

i know ive seen him bring up that car before and it soudned pretty far fetched if i remember.. a goldish car stick out in my mind but i may be wrong

i never put much thought into it haha

CrazyHawaiian · 12-03-2004, 02:20 PM

If you have nanotechnology then it will be faster than drift and grip combined.

SaintDrift · 12-03-2004, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SidewaysGts
From what i hear he actualyl confuses the onboard computers because hes going faster then he should be..

Yeah I always hear stories about he sort of defies physics. Its the force, son!

scirocco · 12-03-2004, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Parry
I and others have been over the impossiblity of his car serveral times and how ignorant and blatantly false his responses were. For example his claimed weight of 1552 pounds...fully gutted front wheel drive mk1 sciroccos (his is a mk2) wiegh in at around that without the driver. Add the extra weight of the all wheel drive system (did I mention he claims to have ATTESA? because he did...) and he would be well over 1552. When this was pointed out to him he claimed the car was made out of crazy wild space-age materials...

don't be so ignorant... anything is possible on the moon.

NismoSigma · 12-03-2004, 03:25 PM

LOL OMG LOL. OK seriously guys, just stop arguing. I really dont even read scirocco posts but w/e that was hilarious. Seriously anyways, you guys should lighten up. Its not your reputation at stake here parry, oh wait it was.

Mackenzie · 12-03-2004, 07:50 PM

ha haha, whats going on. im bout to read up, he heee. seems funny.

scirocco · 12-03-2004, 10:09 PM

btw, Parry... You have way too much time on your hands... I'll just sit here and nanolaugh all day long.

Parry · 12-03-2004, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NismoSigma
LOL OMG LOL. OK seriously guys, just stop arguing. I really dont even read scirocco posts but w/e that was hilarious. Seriously anyways, you guys should lighten up. Its not your reputation at stake here parry, oh wait it was.

Uhhhhh....? I'm not sure where my reputation comes into the equation. It rather appears that his is the one in question.

kaitokid21 · 12-03-2004, 11:48 PM

ATTESA VW? hmm did nissan and vw have secret meetings? thats a new one......well you know scirocco you can always take a picture of your car and show it i am REALLY wanting to see this car other members are speaking of.

scirocco · 12-04-2004, 01:13 AM

I'm sorry people, but my car is too cool, it won't appear on camera.

HasNoTiresLeft · 12-04-2004, 03:25 AM

wow.... every once in a while... theres a thread that comes up... I start reading it and its legit, then it turns totally ridiculous, but by that time im trapped! i have to finish reading it! Just to see how far it goes. Agghh.. Must break free!

dreamdrivedrift · 12-04-2004, 08:28 AM

I remember that Scirocco sent some dude a picture from his cell-phone camera but no, it was photoshopped

and as others have said before...if you have the money to buy all your "nanotechnology bolts or whatever" then why dont you have a DIGITAL CAMERA?

Parry · 12-04-2004, 10:03 AM

lol that picture was awesome...such a riot.

Someone saved it..maybe yarzan? We need to post that up again.

NismoSigma · 12-04-2004, 11:08 PM

Seriously, people like that are bringing this forum down. WERE THE HELL ARE THE MODERATORS!?

12-01-2004, 05:36 PM	#1
Mackenzie Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	grip vs. drift, which one is really for speed on the track, or the fastest? on the track which technique will win in a race? or which technique will get the fastest time? basically which one is faster? i think i might change sides from drift to grip. dont know yet.

12-02-2004, 03:20 PM	#7
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	I like repeat threads hoenstly.. kinda like the idea got a new life, and you dont have numerous pages of bs to sift through to try and catch whats going on. To keep this as simple as possible: The fastest way is drift, but now the type your probably thinking of. Its mor commonly known as a slip angle, talking like up to around 10 degrees max, this depends a lot on the car suspension and most importantly the type of tire your sitting on. Once again to be simple; because of the way a constact patch is strethed, tires can make more lateral force (messure of grip if you like) with a small rotation. Actual "drifting" though like youd see in d1 or for the most part, initial d is -rarely- the fastest way. Drifting can have some advantages on lowspeed tight (hair pin) corners to some extent, basicly because at this point theres advantages to rotating the car around the corner, instead of using the tires to turn it. Added: As for you mister Spock, it was a pretty bad idea to bring up Michael Schummacher. Hands down one of if not these fastest cart racer there is, he however DOES indeed slide his cart through the corners. Well into at least, hes pretty straightb y the apex. Malcom can get further into detail (and is more then happy to it seems haha). From what i hear he actualyl confuses the onboard computers because hes going faster then he should be.. Anyways yes, Michael Schummacher does indeed "slide" into the corners a bit of the time just up to the apex it seems. Last edited by SidewaysGts; 12-02-2004 at 03:24 PM.

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12-01-2004, 05:42 PM	#2
sdtouge Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 868	it will be different from driver to driver bbbut i beleive tighter smaller radius turns drift is bettrer while larger smoother turns are better for grip. overall grip will give you better more consistent lap times because drifting even the best mspin out and mess up. drifting is much more fun though

12-01-2004, 06:45 PM	#3
scirocco Large Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Moon Posts: 354	http://www.drifting.com/forums/showt...&threadid=7820 try using he search button... this has been discussed in depth by malcolm, GridRaceTech, ryan and I.

12-01-2004, 07:46 PM	#5
spock _\\// Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: DFW Posts: 574	It's pretty obvious which is faster. It's not like you see Michael Schummacher sliding all over the place when he's racing.

12-02-2004, 03:37 PM	#8
scirocco Large Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Moon Posts: 354	Just to let you know, I don't mind the repeat threads, but this is a question that has been answered in almost every respect so I think it's about finished... others, however, can really contribute to this forum. Also, I know others sometimes can't appreciate it as much as some of us do.

12-03-2004, 12:25 AM	#10
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	Did i miss something

12-03-2004, 08:10 AM	#12
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	i know ive seen him bring up that car before and it soudned pretty far fetched if i remember.. a goldish car stick out in my mind but i may be wrong i never put much thought into it haha

12-03-2004, 02:20 PM	#13
CrazyHawaiian Sample One Time!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 1,276	If you have nanotechnology then it will be faster than drift and grip combined.

12-03-2004, 03:25 PM	#16
NismoSigma Driftin' to the MOON! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 675	LOL OMG LOL. OK seriously guys, just stop arguing. I really dont even read scirocco posts but w/e that was hilarious. Seriously anyways, you guys should lighten up. Its not your reputation at stake here parry, oh wait it was.

12-03-2004, 07:50 PM	#17
Mackenzie Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	ha haha, whats going on. im bout to read up, he heee. seems funny.

12-03-2004, 10:09 PM	#18
scirocco Large Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Moon Posts: 354	btw, Parry... You have way too much time on your hands... I'll just sit here and nanolaugh all day long.

12-03-2004, 11:48 PM	#20
kaitokid21 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: sagamihara, japan Posts: 56	ATTESA VW? hmm did nissan and vw have secret meetings? thats a new one......well you know scirocco you can always take a picture of your car and show it i am REALLY wanting to see this car other members are speaking of.

12-04-2004, 01:13 AM	#21
scirocco Large Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Moon Posts: 354	I'm sorry people, but my car is too cool, it won't appear on camera.

12-04-2004, 03:25 AM	#22
HasNoTiresLeft DeployedDrifter! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 315	wow.... every once in a while... theres a thread that comes up... I start reading it and its legit, then it turns totally ridiculous, but by that time im trapped! i have to finish reading it! Just to see how far it goes. Agghh.. Must break free!

12-04-2004, 08:28 AM	#23
dreamdrivedrift Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MD Posts: 310	I remember that Scirocco sent some dude a picture from his cell-phone camera but no, it was photoshopped and as others have said before...if you have the money to buy all your "nanotechnology bolts or whatever" then why dont you have a DIGITAL CAMERA?

12-04-2004, 10:03 AM	#24
Parry Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 894	lol that picture was awesome...such a riot. Someone saved it..maybe yarzan? We need to post that up again.

12-04-2004, 11:08 PM	#25
NismoSigma Driftin' to the MOON! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 675	Seriously, people like that are bringing this forum down. WERE THE HELL ARE THE MODERATORS!?