HEEL to TOE i NEED help!!!

[silviafreak]

I hear everyone about the heel to toe method and double clutching and all that jazz waht is it and what are the benifits of using those methods?????

[PhoPower]

Use the search button and type heel and toe there a whole thread about it and how to do it and everything else that goes along with it.

[GRiDRaceTech]

http://www.drifting.com/forums/showt...&threadid=5533

Dude, it was on the same page. Did you even look?

[Thai Juku]

Double clutching hasn't been covered well enough in this forum. Basically, while you're driving in a gear, you put it in neutral, rev the engine, and shift to a desired gear. Sounds like a lot of effort and time consuming. It's not used very much in drifting...It's more a grip technique like the heel-toe. And in the Fast and the Furious, Vin Diesel said Paul Walker double-clutched in the 1st drag race(which he probably did). That was the stupidest thing I ever heard... Drag racing is all upshifting...

[GRiDRaceTech]

I've covered it at least once. If one were to search, it's there.

[Thai Juku]

Ok then...

[CrazyBadger]

in F&F vin says "Granny shifting not double clutching like ya should"

Double clutching can be used in either downshifting or upshifting. in upshifting say ur in 2nd gear, u push the clutch in and rev it then shift to 4th. and in downshifting its used to keep the rpms up.

my friend is a semitruck freak and hes double clutched in a semi before and thats how he does it when upshifting, and i read the downshifting thing in a Sport Compact Car.

i think maybe there are two ways of doing it

[Thai Juku]

Well put...I don't can't remember everything from the movie(and don't want to, but maybe the *Censored**Censored**Censored* funny moments hahaha).

[fsr]

Double clutching is basically only required if you are upshifting slowly on a non-synchronised gearbox. On modern cars, it's just bs... However, I had a gearbox in my Levin that had straight cut gears and no synchro rings. On the track, I could just slam it in gear. On the street I had to double clutch and rev it back up to get it in gear if I was just cruising.

To double clutch, you press the clutch pedal, change to neutral, release the clutch, rev the engine back up, press the clutch again, change to the next gear, release the clutch. Wouldn't do Paul Walker much good, now would it? Then again, all the other guys in the film had 9 speed gearboxes and did 25 second quartermiles... Dragracing is not a staring contest

[subaru_drift]

fsr f^ck that post you made was funny man.

[Elfasm7]

Heel toe shifting is used when down shifting while braking in a way to not lock the tranny or jerk the car around.
Basically, its the same principle of double clutching. When u downshift usiong the heel toe technique, here is what u do:

say youre coming up to a hairpin in 4th gear, and u need to get to 3rd. You push in the clutch, and the brake at the same time.
so now, the rpm's have dropped, and you are slowing down. Now, while keeping your right foot on the brake, slide your right heel onto the gas and give it a push. Now release the clutch and the brake and get on with the corner.

This takes practice to get the rpms to match just right. so get out there and practice.

Hope this helps^_^

[SaintDrift]

Heel-toe shifting is not double clutching. You are just matching revs. Double clutching with syncros is pointless. Basically, your just trying not to get the car to jerk forward going into a turn, so you don't accidently start "drifiting" into a corner. Godsend for cars that like to oversteer at high speeds.

I only double clutch when just downshifting as a daily driver. I would just match revs, but I have a bad habit of dropping the clutch while the revs are still climbing, which still jerks the car forward.

[Elfasm7]

i didnt say it was heel toe shifting, i said it was like it. (matching the rpms)

[SidewaysGts]

I wouldnt suggest double-clutch for racing. Heel-toe isnt a "drifting" or "Griping" technique. Neither is doublt clutching. Heel-toe is pretty much the best way to brake and down shift.

For heel-toe

Start to brake

Push in the clutch

Keeping your toes on the brake- tap the gas with your heel while at the same time shifting down to the next gear

Release the clutch

For Double clutch

Press in the clutch

Move into neutral

Release the clutch

Heres the "difficult" part- Ever notice how when you down shift the rpms start to rise? While in neutral raise the rpms as close to you can as though they would have without double clutching it.

Press in the clutch

Move down 1 gear

Release the clutch.

Things to know:

Heel-toe is pretty much the best way to brake while racing- Its is for the most part the smoothest and fastest way to downshift/brake. Ever downshift and pop the clutch? CLUNK. Even when braking and downshifting at the same time you still have to ease up on the clutch a bit. Heel-toe Lets you brake- downshift- and match the speeds tranyn related all in one move.

Double clutching: Yes this is like heel-toe because of the fact you use it to rev match. Its just not as fast or as "hard" as heel-toe is. you DONT double clutch to upshift UNLESS your car was made from the 50's or older, your synchros/dogteeth have gone out, or your drivign a semi truck. You dont even have to do it while downshifting- however it will be much nicer on your tranny if you do double clutch while downshifting, and it will be much smoother. True- thats the job of your synchros- but doing that puts friction and stress on them- wear and tear. By double clutching you make their job that much easier- and let them live that much longer.

[new_to_drift]

double clutching is not needed much in cars now because the timing of the gears is already configured into the ECU, i think.please correct me if im wrong,i just dont really know the words how to say it.but i do know that its not needed.

[new_to_drift]

double clutching is not needed much in cars now because the timing of the gears is already configured into the ECU, i think.please correct me if im wrong,i just dont really know the words how to say it.but i do know that its not needed.

[Thai Juku]

Originally posted by fsr
On modern cars, it's just bs... However, I had a gearbox in my Levin that had straight cut gears and no synchro rings. On the track, I could just slam it in gear. On the street I had to double clutch and rev it back up to get it in gear if I was just cruising.

Read this...

[jasonaries]

From my perspective of just learning/practicing heel-toe, it seems like there is a lot of good descriptions of what it is and how to do it, but not as many descriptions of WHEN to do it. This opinion is colored by my own experience: I had to go out and practice for a while and then think about it and then read some more about it before I really felt that I was gaining an understanding of why it's so important and when to choose it as a tool to help get through a corner.

For everyday driving, I absolutely do not feel the need to implement heel & toe to get around faster. I only recently began practicing it on regular road corners after having practiced in a safe, deserted, private area. The timing was a bit tricky for me at first and I did embarrass myself by jerking the car around a bit at first. Now, the timing and rev matching isn't perfect, but I'm not going to be royally screwing it up on my daily commute, either.
Driving the line and accelerating at the apex are currently provide the most benefit & time savings in my daily commute.

However, on a track, where tenths of a second matter, then things like heel & toe, dual-phase braking, and accelerating earlier than the apex will come in handy. That's why I'm practicing heel & toe - to prep for track time.

But, not all corners seem to be right for heel & toe. This is where my inexperience comes into play. I suspect heel & toe is best utilized only on 2nd gear turns following high speed straights. There are some corners on the local track that just don't seem like they'd need it. So, I'm hoping to see some more talk about "when" to do this....

Cheers, eveyone.

[GRiDRaceTech]

I heel-toe EVERYWHERE. I heel-toe brake for any stop sign. I heel-toe for every turn which needs it, be it from 5th-to-4th, 4th-to-3rd or 3rd-to-2nd. I heel-toe when I'm slowing to pull into a parking space. I heel-toe in traffic. I heel-toe whenever I slow down. It's the only way to get it down pat... you have to do it so often it comes automatically.

[jasonaries]

Well, having another weekend of thought and practice behind me, I'm starting to see where there are many permutations of heel & toe. That is: there's a different application of throttle in that blip for downshifting in traffic than there is for the setup and execution of a 90 degree turn from higher speeds where I'm skipping more than one gear down.

It feels like I'm learning to drive all over again. I learned how to rev match a long time ago and thought, in my naivite, that "that was it." Yeah, right. It's like there's a least two "flavors" of heel and toe application and each has it's own sub-technique. It's aggravating on one hand, but keeps me occupied and gives me something to do on the other hand. I just get a bit impatient at times and wish I had it down pat yesterday. I'll chill and keep practicing, though.

[Parry]

Originally posted by GRiDRaceTech
I heel-toe EVERYWHERE. I heel-toe brake for any stop sign. I heel-toe for every turn which needs it, be it from 5th-to-4th, 4th-to-3rd or 3rd-to-2nd. I heel-toe when I'm slowing to pull into a parking space. I heel-toe in traffic. I heel-toe whenever I slow down. It's the only way to get it down pat... you have to do it so often it comes automatically.

Words from a wise man. This is how I have done it for a few years now. After a while you don't think about it and just do it because it's smoother.