FORZA MOTORSPORT 4 vs GRAN TURISMO 5

[INFO]

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[Jonny Fonseca]

GT5 all day every day! Tandems in Forza are not exciting!

[B.Young]

Well I'm sad to say I gave up my 350Z, but since I'm saving money for a new build, I've been spending more time on Racing Sims than usual. I've been Sim Racing for 8 years and drifting for 4 years. I am lucky to have the experience of successfully drifting several different types of cars(thanks to trusting friends) so I would say my skills are good enough to determine if a simulation racer is convincingly realistic and natural or not to me. I even built a home-made cabinet out of a broken big-box TV with a modified XBOX steering wheel adding a hand brake, clutch pedal and shifter from the Logitech G25 wheel.

Gran Turismo 5

I played GT5 with the Logitech G25 wheel modded with a handbrake. I was playing Forza 3 before GT5 was finally released so I felt that GT5 should rival what F3 brought to the table. Sadly overall I felt it didn't.
Road racing was excellent in GT5. Using the G25 Wheel sold the feel perfectly with its (up to)900 degrees of rotation, clutch and 6speed shifter
but the drifting was quite unrealistic and did not have a natural feel or response from the behavior of the tires. The wheel had a delay when free spinning from transitions so I had to use an unrealistic alignment setup just to get the FT-86 and the S13 to behave more like a real drift car. The transitions were a gamble most of the time anyways hurting the fun factor. I ended up rallying more than drifting cause it was more fun and natural to drive.
A big plus for me was the night drifting in the city courses. Drifting tandem with friends online is always fun plus really big smoke when you get a good slide going! Graphics and detail was really vibrant. Photo shop was cool. In the end I went back to Forza 3 cause there wasn't much keeping me interested in GT5. Other than setting alignment, there was not much else you could really do to add a diversity to your favorite car. No custom painting or graphics, no engine swaps, or even unique games like Cat and Mouse or Virus Tag.

Forza 4

Well I was more satisfied than disappointed, but when I'm drifting an S13 hatch left hand drive with a screaming RB, its like it doesn't matter cause I'm having so much fun. They were serious when the designers said they were focusing on real tire feel and simulation. The tire feedback was so realistic I felt like I was driving more on natural reflex than compensating for any slight unrealistic physics. I immediately got sucked into the world tour racing, then started exploring other features of the game. Drifting really changed from F3 to F4 for the better.
They finally got it right in my opinion. I worried less of virtual physics and felt a more natural physics simulation to the cars behavior in every style of racing and game play. Every little adjustment to the car was felt immediately in test driving. I can use real world drift alignment tunes with proper tire settings and have awesome control of the cars I build in F4. I'm not big into slow drifting for points. I would rather have tandem battles at high speed or tandem with skilled control through complex turns. Like F3, F4 has engine swaps for almost every car and the custom designs you can make or buy for any car. One addition I found myself playing a lot is Car Soccer! It is very fun when you get a good team together.
The graphics are the best I have ever seen! every car in the game is so deeply detailed its uncanny! The lighting is nothing like I've ever seen. AutoVista is fun with the Kinect to open up the select group of cars and learn all the specs. Even Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear gives his insight on each car.
I could go on with all the cool stuff in the game, but I need to get to the bad as well. There are no night courses! WHY!?! Drifting Fujimi Kaido at night was going to be the most epic part of this game for me! Some of the available engine swaps from F3 are not available in F4. Again WHY!?! Why can't I put a 350Z engine in any S chassis!?! This is also with many other cars I'm sad to see changed. It was my favorite combo chassis and engine in F3. I will admit the addition of the American 240SX hatch was awesome and well balanced with an RB engine swap. Here are some of the cars they added: SC300, Starion, XB Falcon, 65' GTO, 89' MR2, GMC Cyclone, I even made a drift wagon out of an Audi A4! Online is 16 drifters at one time. With so many novice or trolling players, its hard to get a good clean run without someone finishing early, R1 troll the race, or a drifter who just bulldoze everyone he comes near. You can open a public drift(or any other type of game) session where anyone who is playing F4 can look-up and join in. You can start up a car club and share cars too.

I saw a steering wheel for F4 that is pretty epic. http://www.fanatec.com/

I'm sure I'm forgetting something on both games, but that's all I can remember for now. Sorry it got so long, but I hope this was helpful for anyone who is into racing and drifting in Simulation. WRC for XBOX360 coming soon!

XBOX Gamer Tag: BYRacing

[B.Young]

Very home made, but it works well for me. It took a few tricks to get it to work right (clutch engagement, handbrake, and shifter timing). Now its perfect every time with the clutch kicks, heel-toe, and handbrake long slides. I'm designing a new cabinet and shifter next.

[Cavi Mike]

I really wouldn't show off that setup - is that electrical tape holding your shifter in place???. Anyways - I'm trying to figure out how you can say that Forza, or any game, can offer a realistic drifting experience with a setup like that. Right off the bat, a D-shaped wheel? I can't imagine trying to grab a spinning wheel with a flat-spot on it during a transition. Also, I know the only wheel on the market that can spin fast enough to truly recreate a transition is Thrustmaster's T500 and only one pedal setup offers a true progressive brake pedal, that's Fanatec's ClubSport. If you're gonna talk about something being realistic, you're going to at least need a realistic interface or else you might as well be playing with a control-pad.

[B.Young]

You must have missed the part where I said its VERY home made. I spent less than $10 to put this together with crap in my garage. Other drivers really liked it saying the same thing I did. Its more realistic than a controller, and I would rather keep investing in the drift car build than drop hundreds of dollars on another wheel. Its been a huge party favor with friends and girls love playing in it too

[INFO]

[sytfu]

[Cavi Mike]

Originally Posted by INFO

*another lame video-game "video" on YouTube

Seriously? Why did you post that crap? Maybe we can lure a bunch more 13 y/o wannabe drifters here.

[Jonny Fonseca]

Here's my backwards attempt!

[sytfu]

this.... is past full lock entry.

[Lifer]

Originally Posted by Cavi Mike

Seriously? Why did you post that crap? Maybe we can lure a bunch more 13 y/o wannabe drifters here.

Dude...You realize this is an off topic thread right?

So what if kids want to show what they can do on a video game, but to call them "wannabe drifters"? What about RC drifters? Are they wannabe's too? Are fans who can't afford a drift car, don't have a drivers license, or just love to watch drifting appreciating the drivers talents wannabe's as well? You should take a look in the mirror before harassing those who love drifting a little different than you.

DRIFTING.COM -- Correct me if I'm wrong on this but I remember an interview with Chris Forsberg at Willow Springs when he was sponsored by Sears stating he tied video gaming to some of his learning to control a drift car.

[sytfu]

i do it in real life too..... this is teh off season, my car is away at the shop, and GT5 is right here at my fingertips. Word son.

[Lifer]

Fanatec CSR Elite CSr 6speed shifter Logitech g25 pedals with Fanatec's G25 pedal adapter plus handbrake mod and custom racing wheel adapter. Drifting on Tsukuba 3 laps on the first video. Fujimi Kaido Section-A Reverse in the second video. Maple Valley 2 laps crazy run third video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=NrbrTg5vvaI

[Mike Peters]

Forza > GT5

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Virtua...12332405529593

Game over, don't see things like this going on in GT5. Some you lurkerfolk need to come play and smash into each other online!

[TheStownah]

Problems w/ GT5:
-Cars sound like vacuum cleaners
-Drifting with a controller is near, if not impossible
-There isn't an advanced tuning interface, just upgrades
-Only about 200 cars actually have cockpit view and are detailed, the other 800 aren't very detailed and have no cockpit view
-There isn't a strong online drifting community
-Very minimal visual customization, cars don't feel like mine. They feel fairly generic
-No storefront or any form of file sharing
-Not the easiest navigation, somewhat complicated UI
-Not realistic damage at all, I basically bounce off walls like a ping pong ball

Problems w/ Forza
-Only about half the cars of GT5 (All fully detailed and w/ cockpit view though)
-No rally racing
-Jeremy Clarkson is the "narrator" of sorts, and talks way too much. (This is as bad as the other 2 problems combined)

I prefer Forza over GT, and I've played GT since the first game came out on PS1. I've only played Forza since I got Forza 2 with my 360. The entire reason I ever got into drifting was because I wanted to get the Drift Lap achievement in Forza 3 and I instantly fell in love with it. I'm now one of the best in the world at it, I have near top scores on the leaderboards on nearly every track, and I'm getting my license soon and plan on getting into the real thing and moving away from video games, all because of one achievement

[sytfu]

you REALLy have no clue. oh and its over 270 cars and all 800+ standard cars now have some form of crude interior. online community for drifting is huge, 70+ of a random 100 rooms is drift rooms, if you cant get over the fact you cant put stickers on a car.... forza is definitely where you need to be. if you cant navigate the interface that has been the same for many many moons, well sir... i dont know what to tell you. damage, LMAO... you think forza doesnt bounce off walls like pingpong balls?
but whocares..... REAL LIFE > Forza + GT5

[Lifer]

@ sytfu

aaand that's console racing for you, but its cheaper than upgrading my PC for some of the sim-racing programs that you can drift with as well. Maybe someday, but for now my extra money is going into the build. When I'm waiting on parts and I need to get my fix then yes by far either GT5 or Forza 4 is the next best thing. NOTHING can replace real seat time, but any driver can't doubt its great to have a racing game to drift with for fun with a sim wheel setup.

Oh yeah. I can play Richard Burns Rally on my PC. If you want insane realism then that's a challenge for anyone.
Nothing like taking one turn a hair too fast, clipping a tree then being told your race is over cause you broke your wheel, suspension, brakes, etc.:O