My "Secret" Silvia...

FormulaDrifter · 08-10-2005, 05:28 AM

none of my buddies know what i've been doing recently, they all thing i "fell off"... i did... but on purpose...on building this...

NismoSigma · 08-10-2005, 08:03 AM

Haha, friends or car?? Hmmm what a decision. Nice car looks like it was worth it.

Drifterlunchb0x · 08-10-2005, 10:12 AM

ew tein...ew. i still dont get why ppl buy tein, its never as track worthy as other companies...its kinda like the poor mans wanna be suspension? LOL than again i just hate tein!!!

driftersil80 · 08-10-2005, 10:49 AM

Ive said this before. Tein isnt the top selling suspension company in Japan for no reason......

FormulaDrifter · 08-10-2005, 12:17 PM

i got tein cuz i got hooked up with the suspension for 200 dollars so if you can get tein HR's for 200 tell me that its not worth it and i will hit you... lol

requiredoption · 08-10-2005, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifterlunchb0x

ew tein...ew. i still dont get why ppl buy tein, its never as track worthy as other companies...its kinda like the poor mans wanna be suspension? LOL than again i just hate tein!!!

Do you even have the beginnings of the concept that you are failing to comprehend? Or, when did you start to believe that your illiterate *Censored**Censored**Censored* could begin to speak intelligently on the subject. Or, how about this, once you reach the point at which you are out driving tein suspension, you can give a full write up on the flaws of its damping and rebound characteristics.

110octane · 08-10-2005, 12:50 PM

**Sidewayze40 posting from 110octane's username**
That's weird that you say TEIN suspension is not track worthy, considering that most champion cars in Rally, Tarmac, and Drifting in Europe, Japan, and the US are using one line or another of TEIN suspension. Also, they are about the only suspension company making profit right now. WEIRD?!?

P.S they are also the only company you can have the suspension valved and sprung at whatever rates you want if their standard does not meet your needs.

Man they must suck!

hatebbobbarker · 08-10-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormulaDrifter

i got tein cuz i got hooked up with the suspension for 200 dollars so if you can get tein HR's for 200 tell me that its not worth it and i will hit you... lol

not worth it

edit: were all in the same area, thats kinda neat

BenR · 08-10-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 110octane

P.S they are also the only company you can have the suspension valved and sprung at whatever rates you want if their standard does not meet your needs.

That's not true. Many companies will do custom valving and springs.

hatebbobbarker · 08-10-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 110octane

P.S they are also the only company you can have the suspension valved and sprung at whatever rates you want if their standard does not meet your needs.

Man they must suck!

most of us running zeals have custom setups not because theres anything wrong with standard, but they make it so easy to change. they are going to make a rear coilover for me (the 350z doesnt have a rear coilover normally)and revalve me for higher spring rates pretty soon

free motion · 08-10-2005, 03:23 PM

Hey FormulaDrifter, where are the underhood pics? Nice job though.

Drifterlunchb0x · 08-10-2005, 04:41 PM

you can get all that you stated with tein down with any company you must ask for it. now for the "track" worthyness of tein, I am talking about the products that are available to the public...they arnt, they in general do not have the dampening that say jic or cusco have or tanabe. But actual track cars, I dont really know of any that actually use any, most just have the sticker spot reserved for tein...ie sponsorship they pay to have a sticker on the car. Ive ridden on teins , never liked them , ive driven them , never liked them, they rust , and they dont have nearly the dampening off the shelf of a2s or the Zero-2rs...they dont plain and simple. IVe had ppl blow out teins after running them maxed dampening for a few months str8. Ive had my A2s running full dampening for over a year str8, only had to have them rebuilt because i bounced off a mountain...and blew up 2 wheels in the process.

For the money they are good quality i wont deny that, but they arnt as good as some of the other companies that ive listed. Most ppl in the industry I know joke about them and how they are the "comfortable" mans racing coilover...you guys can as angry as you want about what i think about them, I honestly dont care. I worked my butt off saved my cash , did my re-search and i am sorta happy with my A2s... but soon to be Zero-2rs!! I am sorry but i am not on the TEIN band wagon. LOL

Now as to the call on the top selling suspension company in japan, I have yet to see evidence of this anywhere...cusco,jic,tanabe, companies that are well established tend to sell more over there and in china/taiwan. Tein is good for its quality, for the money ,but there is better....there always will be a better company/person ect. ( im sure some of you have heard that line before ) Tein is just cheap , similiar to topspeed...for the quality both companies are good, but there is better for more money.

200 bux for coilovers is a hella good deal!!

But the bickering aside..Good components on a car do not make a good driver. A good driver makes the components good....

*edit: forgot to add a word *

ma71supraturbo · 08-10-2005, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 110octane

P.S they are also the only company you can have the suspension valved and sprung at whatever rates you want if their standard does not meet your needs.

I'm not aware of them offering custom valving (or at least advertising it). Like most coilovers, you can specify spring rates -- but they'll just throw on the springs and leave the dampers as is. Zeal is the only one I'm aware of that will revalve in the US and give you shock dyno data...

Anyway, nice car

110octane · 08-10-2005, 06:20 PM

That's good that Zeal offers that as well, the info to get revalves and overhauls done by TEIN is right on their website. http://www.tein.com/overhaul.html. The reason you/ people don't think they are track worthy is because you buy the Super Street or Flex line and think that is a track setup. It can be with a revalve but the fact is that they are street suspensions and they are meant to be comfortable but better than stock. The RE and RS are the track line along with the HT and new Super Racing Damper. The valving is stiff and the spring rates are adequate. They are aluminum so they dont rust, the others are steel to keep costs down so people not racing can afford them. Pretty smart I'd say. Maybe that's why they are the only ones making money.

Oh and TEIN does not pay anyone to put a sticker or run the suspension. I can guarantee that. Also, alittle FYI they are a public company so you can verify this yourself but TEIN owns 64% of the aftermarket suspension sales in Japan. Sometimes it's best if you don't know what you are talking about not to say anything at all.

Drifterlunchb0x · 08-10-2005, 06:34 PM

As I said i havent seen any proof that they are the top selling company.
I am happy to hear that they are finally making ( maybe ) some better quality coilovers. No one gets to put a sticker on a proffesional car unless they pay for it. no if and or buts. thats just the way it is. You want to take up space on a car you pay for it. I would like to see where you got the sales numbers though, i dont doubt it though. The price tein goes for , but once again, you must remember quality over quantity. Now your comment on not saying anything, kinda missplaced dont you think ? Yes, I assumed that jic , cusco , tanabe other longer established companies will sell more. I didnt take into account the price...so I made a mistake, but yet how would i know if i didnt say something about what knowledge I have??

I will finish with this...Quality over quantity.

110octane · 08-10-2005, 08:20 PM

let me just say again you shouldn't say something if you don't know what you are talking about. All compnaies that you mention were established the same time or after TEIN except for Tanabe which was a few years earlier. I can tell you that i know of 9 cars off the top of my head being the 9 team falken drift cars that have TEIN suspension and many stickers on the cars none of which cost TEIN any money to have them placed on the cars. I guess there are if ans or buts about it. As I stated before TEIN is a publicly held company and you can look up all records about the company. if you want your info do a little research so you don't put your foot in your mouth anymore.

i forgot to mention that the technology that TEIN has exceeds that of the other companies you state. the twin tube desing that goes into the basic, super street, and Flex along with others is a technology that only other companies like KYB(an oem supplier) would have. it is true that for racing, simpler is better but also easier. meaning that any cracker jack company can produce a monotube damper. and by just changing the shims in the damper will make them stiffer or softer.

alittle info on the background of TEIN the president and vice president are WRC champions that raced on their own suspension (some of the first they ever developed) while racing in a factory backed toyota vehicle. Which means Toyota could have purchased any suspension for the race car.

hatebbobbarker · 08-10-2005, 08:36 PM

jic is crap too, on both sides of the pacific from what ive heard.

zeal for life

kgroth · 08-10-2005, 11:46 PM

Tanabe rocks...

free motion · 08-11-2005, 08:21 AM

My Cuscos are amazing.

Drifterlunchb0x · 08-11-2005, 09:33 AM

Dont know how I have put my foot in my mouth,I said I was incorrect. I moved on. Continuing to bring up the fact I made a mistake with what information I had , kinda a weak point dont you think ? If you want to make your self feel high and might go for something else.

I still think tein is not the best for the money. No matter how much you boast about the company , no matter how much information you produce. I simple put do not like tein. I dont even like JIC anymore, honestly they have dropped in quality over the years. Cusco is still my fav suspension, yes its more than tein , or JIC, but it is much better quality and much longer lasting.

You listed pro-drift cars that run tein, yet you said wrc and other sanctioned racing events, that there where people that run them with out any stickering...like to see those as well. Show me the drift cars that run tein that dont have a single tein sticker on them. You will find a sticker on the car somewhere that says tein.

So far, you have stated that, the design is different than companies like KYB , that its the most popular company in Japan,and its publicly traded. All of wich , my previous post I said i didnt doubt. That means I agree with you , shocking isnt it?

You have yet to bring up the problems with rust ppl have had, the weaker arms that they have made for suspension components either. Or how stock suspension parts work better than some of teins components.

There are several shops in the NW that refuse to carry tein due to its lack of quality production, I even know of shops in Hong Kong that wont sell it due to its poor quality. So granted I may not know the stocks and bonds of the company, but I do have personaly experience with the company. From my experience I do not want to deal with the company, or its products simple as that. Just because an item sells alot does not mean it is good quality,quality over quantity.

You can continue to come back with " putting my foot in my mouth" or how the owners where WRC champions...or anything else you can think of. Its not going to change the fact that tein is a trendy company and in my mind ...well basically...crap. No matter what you say or do will change that , you should accept that and move on.

Everyone has thier own preferance to a part for thier cars, my preferance is not let anything tein ever go on my car, its as simple as that. Now drop it and move on, I am as stubborn as they come. I have made my mind I dont like tein, so I dont, and no matter what you spout at me my mind will not change.

Cheers!!

zdss14 · 08-11-2005, 12:00 PM

uhhh... what happened to talking about the dudes pimp car?

FormulaDrifter · 08-11-2005, 01:37 PM

hahah i know got hi-jacked lol

hatebbobbarker · 08-11-2005, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zdss14

uhhh... what happened to talking about the dudes pimp car?

hes local so i figure ill see it around anyway

gonna be at DD27 formula?

NismoSigma · 08-11-2005, 04:16 PM

This thread was made to support a fellow drifter, not to flame on his suspension set up which I see no problem in. If you got money go buy something expensive that does the same job as the "poor" one. Nice job on your car again and stick to what your doing.

sdtouge · 08-11-2005, 05:08 PM

the car is nice, but the bumper i would say is kinda aggressive. walking by i might cross the street for fear it might jump at me lol.

but ya cars looking good now some action shots.

08-10-2005, 05:28 AM	#1
FormulaDrifter Corolla needs a swap! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: redlands, ca. Posts: 607	My "Secret" Silvia... none of my buddies know what i've been doing recently, they all thing i "fell off"... i did... but on purpose...on building this...

08-10-2005, 04:41 PM	#12
Drifterlunchb0x Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great fantastically wonderfully wet Northwest!!! Posts: 375	you can get all that you stated with tein down with any company you must ask for it. now for the "track" worthyness of tein, I am talking about the products that are available to the public...they arnt, they in general do not have the dampening that say jic or cusco have or tanabe. But actual track cars, I dont really know of any that actually use any, most just have the sticker spot reserved for tein...ie sponsorship they pay to have a sticker on the car. Ive ridden on teins , never liked them , ive driven them , never liked them, they rust , and they dont have nearly the dampening off the shelf of a2s or the Zero-2rs...they dont plain and simple. IVe had ppl blow out teins after running them maxed dampening for a few months str8. Ive had my A2s running full dampening for over a year str8, only had to have them rebuilt because i bounced off a mountain...and blew up 2 wheels in the process. For the money they are good quality i wont deny that, but they arnt as good as some of the other companies that ive listed. Most ppl in the industry I know joke about them and how they are the "comfortable" mans racing coilover...you guys can as angry as you want about what i think about them, I honestly dont care. I worked my butt off saved my cash , did my re-search and i am sorta happy with my A2s... but soon to be Zero-2rs!! I am sorry but i am not on the TEIN band wagon. LOL Now as to the call on the top selling suspension company in japan, I have yet to see evidence of this anywhere...cusco,jic,tanabe, companies that are well established tend to sell more over there and in china/taiwan. Tein is good for its quality, for the money ,but there is better....there always will be a better company/person ect. ( im sure some of you have heard that line before ) Tein is just cheap , similiar to topspeed...for the quality both companies are good, but there is better for more money. 200 bux for coilovers is a hella good deal!! But the bickering aside..Good components on a car do not make a good driver. A good driver makes the components good.... edit: forgot to add a word Last edited by Drifterlunchb0x; 08-10-2005 at 04:48 PM.

08-10-2005, 08:20 PM	#16
110octane Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 370	let me just say again you shouldn't say something if you don't know what you are talking about. All compnaies that you mention were established the same time or after TEIN except for Tanabe which was a few years earlier. I can tell you that i know of 9 cars off the top of my head being the 9 team falken drift cars that have TEIN suspension and many stickers on the cars none of which cost TEIN any money to have them placed on the cars. I guess there are if ans or buts about it. As I stated before TEIN is a publicly held company and you can look up all records about the company. if you want your info do a little research so you don't put your foot in your mouth anymore. i forgot to mention that the technology that TEIN has exceeds that of the other companies you state. the twin tube desing that goes into the basic, super street, and Flex along with others is a technology that only other companies like KYB(an oem supplier) would have. it is true that for racing, simpler is better but also easier. meaning that any cracker jack company can produce a monotube damper. and by just changing the shims in the damper will make them stiffer or softer. alittle info on the background of TEIN the president and vice president are WRC champions that raced on their own suspension (some of the first they ever developed) while racing in a factory backed toyota vehicle. Which means Toyota could have purchased any suspension for the race car. Last edited by 110octane; 08-10-2005 at 08:37 PM.

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08-10-2005, 08:03 AM	#2
NismoSigma Driftin' to the MOON! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 675	Haha, friends or car?? Hmmm what a decision. Nice car looks like it was worth it.

08-10-2005, 10:12 AM	#3
Drifterlunchb0x Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great fantastically wonderfully wet Northwest!!! Posts: 375	ew tein...ew. i still dont get why ppl buy tein, its never as track worthy as other companies...its kinda like the poor mans wanna be suspension? LOL than again i just hate tein!!!

08-10-2005, 10:49 AM	#4
driftersil80 GT3/KB2 Drift Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 836	Ive said this before. Tein isnt the top selling suspension company in Japan for no reason......

08-10-2005, 12:17 PM	#5
FormulaDrifter Corolla needs a swap! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: redlands, ca. Posts: 607	i got tein cuz i got hooked up with the suspension for 200 dollars so if you can get tein HR's for 200 tell me that its not worth it and i will hit you... lol

08-10-2005, 12:50 PM	#7
110octane Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 370	Sidewayze40 posting from 110octane's username That's weird that you say TEIN suspension is not track worthy, considering that most champion cars in Rally, Tarmac, and Drifting in Europe, Japan, and the US are using one line or another of TEIN suspension. Also, they are about the only suspension company making profit right now. WEIRD?!? P.S they are also the only company you can have the suspension valved and sprung at whatever rates you want if their standard does not meet your needs. Man they must suck!

08-10-2005, 03:23 PM	#11
free motion SW VA Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 86	Hey FormulaDrifter, where are the underhood pics? Nice job though.

08-10-2005, 06:20 PM	#14
110octane Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 370	That's good that Zeal offers that as well, the info to get revalves and overhauls done by TEIN is right on their website. http://www.tein.com/overhaul.html. The reason you/ people don't think they are track worthy is because you buy the Super Street or Flex line and think that is a track setup. It can be with a revalve but the fact is that they are street suspensions and they are meant to be comfortable but better than stock. The RE and RS are the track line along with the HT and new Super Racing Damper. The valving is stiff and the spring rates are adequate. They are aluminum so they dont rust, the others are steel to keep costs down so people not racing can afford them. Pretty smart I'd say. Maybe that's why they are the only ones making money. Oh and TEIN does not pay anyone to put a sticker or run the suspension. I can guarantee that. Also, alittle FYI they are a public company so you can verify this yourself but TEIN owns 64% of the aftermarket suspension sales in Japan. Sometimes it's best if you don't know what you are talking about not to say anything at all.

08-10-2005, 06:34 PM	#15
Drifterlunchb0x Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great fantastically wonderfully wet Northwest!!! Posts: 375	As I said i havent seen any proof that they are the top selling company. I am happy to hear that they are finally making ( maybe ) some better quality coilovers. No one gets to put a sticker on a proffesional car unless they pay for it. no if and or buts. thats just the way it is. You want to take up space on a car you pay for it. I would like to see where you got the sales numbers though, i dont doubt it though. The price tein goes for , but once again, you must remember quality over quantity. Now your comment on not saying anything, kinda missplaced dont you think ? Yes, I assumed that jic , cusco , tanabe other longer established companies will sell more. I didnt take into account the price...so I made a mistake, but yet how would i know if i didnt say something about what knowledge I have?? I will finish with this...Quality over quantity.

08-10-2005, 08:36 PM	#17
hatebbobbarker Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 693	jic is crap too, on both sides of the pacific from what ive heard. zeal for life

08-10-2005, 11:46 PM	#18
kgroth Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19	Tanabe rocks...

08-11-2005, 08:21 AM	#19
free motion SW VA Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 86	My Cuscos are amazing.

08-11-2005, 09:33 AM	#20
Drifterlunchb0x Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Great fantastically wonderfully wet Northwest!!! Posts: 375	Dont know how I have put my foot in my mouth,I said I was incorrect. I moved on. Continuing to bring up the fact I made a mistake with what information I had , kinda a weak point dont you think ? If you want to make your self feel high and might go for something else. I still think tein is not the best for the money. No matter how much you boast about the company , no matter how much information you produce. I simple put do not like tein. I dont even like JIC anymore, honestly they have dropped in quality over the years. Cusco is still my fav suspension, yes its more than tein , or JIC, but it is much better quality and much longer lasting. You listed pro-drift cars that run tein, yet you said wrc and other sanctioned racing events, that there where people that run them with out any stickering...like to see those as well. Show me the drift cars that run tein that dont have a single tein sticker on them. You will find a sticker on the car somewhere that says tein. So far, you have stated that, the design is different than companies like KYB , that its the most popular company in Japan,and its publicly traded. All of wich , my previous post I said i didnt doubt. That means I agree with you , shocking isnt it? You have yet to bring up the problems with rust ppl have had, the weaker arms that they have made for suspension components either. Or how stock suspension parts work better than some of teins components. There are several shops in the NW that refuse to carry tein due to its lack of quality production, I even know of shops in Hong Kong that wont sell it due to its poor quality. So granted I may not know the stocks and bonds of the company, but I do have personaly experience with the company. From my experience I do not want to deal with the company, or its products simple as that. Just because an item sells alot does not mean it is good quality,quality over quantity. You can continue to come back with " putting my foot in my mouth" or how the owners where WRC champions...or anything else you can think of. Its not going to change the fact that tein is a trendy company and in my mind ...well basically...crap. No matter what you say or do will change that , you should accept that and move on. Everyone has thier own preferance to a part for thier cars, my preferance is not let anything tein ever go on my car, its as simple as that. Now drop it and move on, I am as stubborn as they come. I have made my mind I dont like tein, so I dont, and no matter what you spout at me my mind will not change. Cheers!!

08-11-2005, 12:00 PM	#21
zdss14 speed strife d Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fredericksburg VA Posts: 401	uhhh... what happened to talking about the dudes pimp car?

08-11-2005, 01:37 PM	#22
FormulaDrifter Corolla needs a swap! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: redlands, ca. Posts: 607	hahah i know got hi-jacked lol

08-11-2005, 04:16 PM	#24
NismoSigma Driftin' to the MOON! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 675	This thread was made to support a fellow drifter, not to flame on his suspension set up which I see no problem in. If you got money go buy something expensive that does the same job as the "poor" one. Nice job on your car again and stick to what your doing.

08-11-2005, 05:08 PM	#25
sdtouge Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: san diego Posts: 868	the car is nice, but the bumper i would say is kinda aggressive. walking by i might cross the street for fear it might jump at me lol. but ya cars looking good now some action shots.