DTM vs JDM

who do u think makes better performance cars, Germany vs. Japan and why.
what about better drifting cars.


I would say German cars are faster and they probably have better handling.

What do u guys think and why ?

Thanks

[nissanguy_24]

i dont know about "better cars" but im partial to nissans, especialy the S13s, light weight rear wheel drive. 2 liter turbos. and even the us versions the 2.4 liter NAs.

to me thats my idea of a good sports car. light weight quick, handles well. and cheap to me a sports car has to be cheap.

[MrodDrft]

Obviously Japan makes the best cars for drifting

[delasoul909]

well in terms to drifting... i think bang for buck japanese cars are much better... for example... you can get a nice 240 for a couple Grand.... also there's a bigger aftermarket for japanese cars (easier to find parts).. but im not saying there isnt a aftermarket for german cars...

when it comes to pure performance... both countries put out very competitive cars (if money isnt a factor)... so i think its just how u look at it

btw... i'd go for a german car if i wanted luxury...

delasoul909

i agree but german cars aint only luxry they got speed too. Look at a M3, audi S4, AMG, Porsche luxury but fast


i agrree tho

[delasoul909]

nedinic... yeah i know...

when it comes to pure performance... both countries put out very competitive cars (if money isnt a factor)... so i think its just how u look at it

[MrodDrft]

Id go to Japan for luxury... hehe VIP

[xxleasxx]

Originally posted by delasoul909
well in terms to drifting... i think bang for buck japanese cars are much better... for example... you can get a nice 240 for a couple Grand.... also there's a bigger aftermarket for japanese cars (easier to find parts).. but im not saying there isnt a aftermarket for german cars...

when it comes to pure performance... both countries put out very competitive cars (if money isnt a factor)... so i think its just how u look at it

btw... i'd go for a german car if i wanted luxury...

it all depends where youre from, in Europe eurocars are cheaper and in japan and the US jap cars a re cheaper...

[xxleasxx]

these have got to be the baddest english drift cars..

[delasoul909]

good point guys.. sry! i was speaking from the US market... didnt mean from everywhere... sry again..!

whoa! nice cosworth! arent they 4WD though?

[Tsunami]

Cossies rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BeerBringer]

Originally posted by xxleasxx
it all depends where youre from, in Europe eurocars are cheaper and in japan and the US jap cars a re cheaper...

Thats not true. Jap cars are in general cheaper here to...

The Sierra Cosworth (2:nd pic) came both as rwd and 4wd. The Escort Cosworth (1:st pic) came only as 4wd.

[CRASHDRIVE]

Originally posted by nedinic
who do u think makes better performance cars, Germany vs. Japan and why.
what about better drifting cars.


I would say German cars are faster and they probably have better handling.

What do u guys think and why ?

Thanks

This is a GRAY area.
AMG / M3 / NISMO / RALLYART / TRD / MAZDASPEED / RUF, etc.

are all competative manufacturers. This R&D's are neck to neck as far as performance to their individual fields.

The difference between all of them is the DRIVER.

[xxleasxx]

Originally posted by ACDTrueno
whoa! nice cosworth! arent they 4WD though?

you know it!

yea but if you take the best japaneese car and put it beside best german car i think the german car might out run it.
if you take a skyline r 34 and put it to a porsche twin turbo, its about the same price and i would have my money on the porsche. just what i think.


i duno tho.......

[hachiroku-fc3s]

Aftermarket excluded: When I think about Germany, I think powerful porkers. When I think Japan, I think many times under-powered light-weight cars. Not that they dont switch every once in a while. When I was trying to compare them I was trying to think of the best of both markets. I chose R34 (japanese powerful but weighty normally characteristic of DTM) and porsche (light, powerful, great handling characteristic of JDM) making it quite difficult to choose. I think in a performance show-off the porsche would run all over the r34 but then a silvia would prob put it down on many non porsches.

I just decided to pick DTM. Not so much because they are better than JDM cars, but because they consistently put out powerful, RWD, weighty but well handling autos. Heritage is a big part of DTM market. I dont need the luxo so much but they make up for anything that it costs them. JDM manufacturers are making most of their decisions based on dollar amounts right now and we are getting FF, non-rb powered, scions.

hachiroku-fc3s

i think ur right about everything u stated. M3 vs. NSX my opinion m3 would out run it and out handle it.

the thing is that you can make japanese cars faster a lot easier then any german car.

[spinitsidewayz!]

theres a JDM vs DTM video. i think its been posted here b4. 350z was all over the competition!

[nissanguy_24]

Originally posted by hachiroku-fc3s
JDM manufacturers are making most of their decisions based on dollar amounts right now and we are getting FF, non-rb powered, scions.

so true. speaking of scion. does any one think a "youth brand" would do good with a rwd car? you know, for the new drift fans and such out there, something lightweight, 2500 lbs or something rear wheel drive, NA, they could compaign one at the d1 and stuff..

yea 350z is probably my favorite car.
but anyways could you post that video again.


peace

[fc3slideways]

im gunna definetly say japan is better than germany unless you are goin for super swank comfort, but performance wise theres so many like 600+hp supras and skylines and tri-rotor rx7s i havent seen ne vws or bimmers put up that much hp lately and get sideways anywhere, or even look half as good. so yea def jdm over dtm

[Oki Drifter]

The closest comparison i can think of is the BMW M5 vs The Toyota Aristo or one of the JZX bros.( both high powered luxo 4 drs)

Toyota need to bring back the FR AE line of cars, no more FF AE's!!
and more high powered 4dr. luxo drift cars also

well...heres my old econo box pug
hows that for EUDM?
Oh BTW DTM is a racing series...
www.dtm.de so please dont use it as a refrence to Germany cars...

[e30drifter]

well, you can't really compare DTM to JDM because DTM stands for Deustchland Touringwagen Meisterchaft, I know my spelling sucks, but it stands for German Touring Car Championship. It's a racing league like Indy, NASCAR, or IHRA. Okay, now that is done I would have to choose the European cars. Not just because I own two, but because I just like the excellent handling and qaulity. Not that some Japanese cars don't have qaulity because they do. Not all European cars are heavy. You people are thinking about Mercedes or Jaguar. A lot of BMWs are heavy, but there are lighter cars produced by them. While on that subject. M3 is not a tuning company. It's a car. First built in the late 80s. It was built for racing. The only reason there were any built for the road is because it was required for them to be able to use the cars in the racing league. It is also the winningest touring car in it's either BMW history or just history period. i can't remember. The M in M1, M3, M5, or M6 stands for Motorsport. It's a division of BMW that builds faster, better handling cars. It's like Mugen or TRD. Also, in the European car market there are the Ferraris, McLaren F1s(powered by a BMW engine btw), Koenigsegg, and many other incredibly fast supercars. That is also another reason why I choose Euro. over Jap. This post was way too long. Oh, and don't quote me on some of this stuff, cuz I'm not 100% sure if it is correct but I think it is.

Edit: One last thing. There are actually quite a few Bimmers with 600+hp around. They're just a little harder to find. Also, Bimmers are great cars for drifting. Most people don't drift them because most of them are more heavily into road racing, but there are a few guys who drift them.