Keep Drifting Fun! Is this Fun???

[YOitzJDM]

Is this fun??????????????

[Shadowhuntr]

Not really in car but more on car.

[YOitzJDM]

Tyler McQ asked for a pace against Dean K, knowing that his car has DOUBLE the horsepower of Dean, and were within .3 mph on their entry speed according to the qualifying speeds (69.4 for T McQ, 69.7 for Dean K). Then, when Dean has a slight lead when initiating, he's penalized.

Petty and Tyler McQ both had problems following Takatori, Petty qualified 1 mph slower than Takatori, and Takatori was 1 mph slower than McQ. But remember, McQ asked for a pace from Dean K, maybe he didn't REALLY need that pace since he came in too hot?!

Eric O'Sullivan and Dai Yoshihara both spun out following Forsberg. Then Eric posts this video on Youtube which clearly shows Forsberg yanking the ebrake and changing his speed by roughly 5-10 mph instantly, forcing Eric to spin.

FD is becoming more and more about tactics, instead of drifting. The front and rear brakelights are a good idea, but if people are pulling the ebrake, it doesn't show up. Also, as the cars exited the bank, the judges couldn't see either front or rear brakelight from the stands.

FD needs to put a stop to this petty crap. Make the drivers drive!!!

[techtrix]

the speeds the judges were recording are end of bank speeds, not entry speeds. I was ebraking at the end of the bank also, it was just to help scrub off some speed so i could make the decreasing radius turn and stay on the proper line. Maybe forsberg was doing the same thing, and not trying to mess up the following driver?

[boxmod]

Originally Posted by YOitzJDM

Then Eric posts this video on Youtube which clearly shows Forsberg yanking the ebrake and changing his speed by roughly 5-10 mph instantly, forcing Eric to spin.

i dont buy that.
i agree with above that he was slowing down a tad to get his line set as he came off bank. his brake usuage might have been overdone but damn, he isnt PEFECT either. If you think he has the time to check mirrors and say "whoa dude is charging in, let me brake check him with a 2 second ebrake tug, so he possibly hits me and brakes my car, or takes me into the wall, or spins so I can win," you're reaching IMO. If it was the middle of a constant sweeping turn, this would be a brake check to me, but he was right at the dive point to come off the bank.

I think its possible that Eric could have worried so much about getting close he didnt notice what part of the course he was on- it was time to slow some. He had a 1/2 second judgement error where he got too close and Chris was also happening to adjust right then. Just bad luck on timing to me.

[hayaimoto]

Honestly it looks like Eric was trying to close the gap and forgot that the infield was soon approaching. Chris had to have slowed down a bit to be able to transition the car.

[Bebop]

4 years ago when FD got english judges and started seriously listening to drivers feedback, FD changed the rules of tandem drifting. The Drivers, The Judges and some of the Fans (myself included) wanted to see a fairer form of competition (aka no passing). So the rules were changed, Lead driver runs his qualifying line while the chase driver mimics it, lead driver becomes a moving clipping point. The problem with that is that qualifying line is not the fastest line, Gangster lines with big angle wall rubbing are very slow.

Here we are 2010 and we are now suffering the side affects of this rule.Seems like half the field is accusing someone of being a slow driver, brake checking, cheating, etc etc. When really its a matter of a driver being used to braking or staying on the throttle through a portion of the course while another driver does not. If Eric did a good scouting report he would know that's where Fors applied the E brake on the course. Shoot ask Tyler, he suffered victim to the same exact thing in 2009 against Fors (his incident was worst imo).

You want keep this from happening? FD needs to go old school (coughD1cough), and make drivers run tight, fast, and defensive/offensive lines in tandem. Yes this will equate to some drivers getting passed. But with the quality judges we have today, its just a matter of the American drifting teams and audience to man up and realize the driver who got passed did not follow the line depicted in the drivers meeting.

As far as Tyler asking for a pace cone, there is something wrong with his car it looks like. Hes not getting any traction coming from the start. 700 HP ain't nothing if you cant get the car moving forward. Its obvious he is not happy with the car right now. I think they should change the rules that the higher qualifying driver gets to choose pace cone or not, this seems fair since the higher qualifying drivers are "faster" then the lower ones. And this message needs to be relayed to the fans so they know whats going on.

it aint much but thats my 2cent

[YOitzJDM]

Originally Posted by blaze1

As far as Tyler asking for a pace cone, there is something wrong with his car it looks like. Hes not getting any traction coming from the start. 700 HP ain't nothing if you cant get the car moving forward. Its obvious he is not happy with the car right now. I think they should change the rules that the higher qualifying driver gets to choose pace cone or not, this seems fair since the higher qualifying drivers are "faster" then the lower ones. And this message needs to be relayed to the fans so they know whats going on.

it aint much but thats my 2cent

Tyler qualified higher. Does that justify the fact that he asked for a pace? In order for a turbo'd 4cyl car to keep up with a 700hp v8 car, he has to build boost quickly off the line and stay in boost the whole time. If the pace cone is halfway down the back stretch, the N/A car can play games and not allow the turbo'd car to build boost until then, effectively cutting the acceleration area in half (if not less). This would be a HUGE advantage for the V8 car, since the V8 cars build 2/3 of their power and torque before 3k RPM's. If I knew that I was driving against a 4cyl turbo car, and I had a v8, I'd ask for a pace every time, blame the "lack of traction off the line", then blow the other driver away from the pace cone on. That's EXACTLY what the pace cone was designed TO PREVENT!!!

The lower HP car is the one who should be allowed to request the pace. Everyone knows that ALL SR20 cars have less power than ALL of the V8 cars, and especially when it comes to leaving the line. If the V8 cars are spinning their tires off the line, it's their own damn fault for the setup they are running. Falken could easily build a 450 - 500 hp motor for the Z and still be competitive, but instead, they went for the huge HP numbers so that Tyler has power on demand (aka can play silly games like this).

ugh.

If this continues, the sport will be ruined.

[Bebop]

Dean had a gap on tylers on his lead lap?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by YOitzJDM

If this continues, the sport will be ruined.

hahah

sitting here with some LOL.

[Checowa]

Originally Posted by techtrix

the speeds the judges were recording are end of bank speeds, not entry speeds. I was ebraking at the end of the bank also, it was just to help scrub off some speed so i could make the decreasing radius turn and stay on the proper line. Maybe forsberg was doing the same thing, and not trying to mess up the following driver?

I think I'm going to listen to someone who actually drove the course on the same day.

[Slapshotnerd]

Originally Posted by blaze1

Dean had a gap on tylers on his lead lap?

Yes.

Tyler asked Dean to give him a pace cone on his lead. Dean said that he didn't think he needed a pace cone since they had almost the exact same speed at the exit of the bank in qualifying. Dean and Tyler were pretty even up to the cone, dean was clearly going full throttle. Tyler dropped 5-7 car lengths back before initiation, and J-rod mentioned that they wanted to see the cars closer together on initiation, and since Tyler had requested a pace cone beforehand, Dean would be punished for it.

Beyond that, Dean and Tyler had a very close and contentious first run, so Dean "not giving a pace to Tyler" was likely the only reason he lost.

[Bebop]

So was Dean full throttle after the pace cone or before? If it was before thats kinda Dean fault for not making a attempted to show he was willing to give pace.

I all I know is there is a def a issue with the setup of Tylers car.

[YOitzJDM]

Originally Posted by blaze1

So was Dean full throttle after the pace cone or before? If it was before thats kinda Dean fault for not making a attempted to show he was willing to give pace.

Originally Posted by Slapshotnerd

Yes.

Tyler asked Dean to give him a pace cone on his lead. Dean said that he didn't think he needed a pace cone since they had almost the exact same speed at the exit of the bank in qualifying. Dean and Tyler were pretty even up to the cone, dean was clearly going full throttle. Tyler dropped 5-7 car lengths back before initiation, and J-rod mentioned that they wanted to see the cars closer together on initiation, and since Tyler had requested a pace cone beforehand, Dean would be punished for it.

Beyond that, Dean and Tyler had a very close and contentious first run, so Dean "not giving a pace to Tyler" was likely the only reason he lost.

So if a car has setup problems, should the lead driver be forced to change the way he drives? I thought the lead driver was the moving clipping point, and is supposed to run the same qualifying line? If a turbo'd car isn't allowed to accelerate full throttle until halfway thru the back stretch, he'll be down 5-10 mph (if not more) from his qualifying score, and the other driver will have the advantage of following closer thru the run. That seems like the opposite of the way it should be. I know everyone wants side-by-side runs, but the judges also want the drivers to run their qualifying line, which isn't always possible at a slower speed.

I remember hearing that at the drivers meeting in Atlanta, the judges said that someone can REQUEST a pace cone, but it is up to the DRIVERS to agree to it. JR was very adamant, asking "why would we give ANYONE the pace cone if you say it isn't required?" and Andy said "because it makes for a better show".

Sounds like the pace cone is ruining the show because of these tactics being played.... Dean is even to the pace cone, but because Tyler had a formal request for a pace cone, he sandbags and leaves a 3-4 car length difference on initiation, his spotter complains, and he's given the win (i don't know if that is what ACTUALLY happened, but from the description I heard and what I saw on the live stream, it doesn't sound much different)

[Bebop]

"why would we give ANYONE the pace cone if you say it isn't required?"

VGJ is the effing man!

Sounds like the pace cone wasn't used properly in this case, I would love to see the video.

The only reason why I keep saying Tyler's car has a problem is because it seems like your saying he had no good right to ask for the pace cone. Well yeah, if my car couldn't accelerate I would ask for it as well no matter what kind of engine I have. The question is, why did intec agree to it?

[YOitzJDM]

Originally Posted by blaze1

VGJ is the effing man!

Sounds like the pace cone wasn't used properly in this case, I would love to see the video.

The only reason why I keep saying Tyler's car has a problem is because it seems like your saying he had no good right to ask for the pace cone. Well yeah, if my car couldn't accelerate I would ask for it as well no matter what kind of engine I have. The question is, why did intec agree to it?

they didn't agree.

But it was on record that it was requested, and it seems as though the judges took that request as accepted.

[Bebop]

did they petition post race?

I would have been up at the judges tower going ape sh!t Bill Sherman style

[Piner]

^ lmao @ Bill comment

[Tyler McQuarrie]

Originally Posted by YOitzJDM

Tyler McQ asked for a pace against Dean K, knowing that his car has DOUBLE the horsepower of Dean, and were within .3 mph on their entry speed according to the qualifying speeds (69.4 for T McQ, 69.7 for Dean K). Then, when Dean has a slight lead when initiating, he's penalized.

Petty and Tyler McQ both had problems following Takatori, Petty qualified 1 mph slower than Takatori, and Takatori was 1 mph slower than McQ. But remember, McQ asked for a pace from Dean K, maybe he didn't REALLY need that pace since he came in too hot?!

Eric O'Sullivan and Dai Yoshihara both spun out following Forsberg. Then Eric posts this video on Youtube which clearly shows Forsberg yanking the ebrake and changing his speed by roughly 5-10 mph instantly, forcing Eric to spin.

FD is becoming more and more about tactics, instead of drifting. The front and rear brakelights are a good idea, but if people are pulling the ebrake, it doesn't show up. Also, as the cars exited the bank, the judges couldn't see either front or rear brakelight from the stands.

FD needs to put a stop to this petty crap. Make the drivers drive!!!

YoitzJDM- I respect your opinon and see how you could come to this conclusion, but let me clear up a few things. I have never and will NEVER play games to get a win. You can ask any FD driver and I think they will tell you that I'm a pretty straight up dude. My car has had straight line issues dating back to last year. It has tons of side bite but lacks straight line grip. The more side bite you put into a car the more straight line speed you give up and since my car is lacking it, it shows even more.

We didn't even have a pace cone in NJ and I asked my team mate JR to pace me in at least first gear... and he still gapped me into the bank. The judges were very clear that they wanted to see the 2 cars together going into the bank, which is why they put the pace cone there. I went to Dean before and asked him for the pace. My mistake was thinking we would roll off together and I don't think he knew how slow my car was. The combination of the 2 made a very big gap. We were not side by side at the pace and I NEVER lifted to create a bigger gap... trust me, I was in full attack mode to catch up! If you read my blog at www.tylermcquarrie.com you will see that I thought it was going to be a OMT and even I was a little surprized that they gave me the win. I never want to win like that but the judges were very clear. I also asked Takatori for the pace and if you watch my video on Vimeo you will see that we stayed together until the pace. In fact watch any of my video's on there and you'll see that I struggle to get the power down.

I hate when drivers play games and I never want to see them in drifting. I never was a fan of the pace cone until I drove this car. Having 2 cars enter together does make for a better show and if the pace cane does that... well awesome.

Again, I respect your opinon but there were no games being played on my side!

[Bebop]

and it was said

[driftduck]

Oh mad Mike.... your wheels are too baller for drift....

[Bebop]

Word on the street is those wheels are actually pretty light!

[ontrack]

IMO there simply needs to be a decision made, either have the pace-cone for every Every Run of Every Round OR DON'T. FD just needs to make the decision one way or the other and everyone just deal with it. They seem to stick to other nonsense decisions without wavering so why is this any different?
Mike, thank you for giving professional clarification.
Tyler, you're an excellent driver with a good reputation.
Personally I can't figure FD out. They seem to change what they want to see for each round. Lead driver supposed to follow the line, hit the clipping points and zones and the chase driver is supposed to mirror the lead. But that's not how they seem to judge most of the time. It's as though their criteria changes for each pairing of drivers.
I love drifting and want to see it grow and evolve in the best way but without consistency from the Professional Organization that is unlikely to be any time soon.

[Bebop]

Personally I can't figure FD out. They seem to change what they want to see for each round. Lead driver supposed to follow the line, hit the clipping points and zones and the chase driver is supposed to mirror the lead. But that's not how they seem to judge most of the time. It's as though their criteria changes for each pairing of drivers.

Quoted for truff.

[driftduck]

Originally Posted by blaze1

Word on the street is those wheels are actually pretty light!

I believe it, they're just way too baller. Too much ballin going on inside those wheels.


I was curious though how such a low offset effects the handling of that car.