Need an advise

yoga-serega · 07-11-2004, 12:19 PM

Hello everyone!
What video would you advise to learn 4WD drift , Drift bible is based on rear wheel drive cars or technics are similar ?
Thanks

Ghost of Duluth · 07-11-2004, 12:25 PM

You might want to check out some Rally instructional videos for that info. May be the best place to check, since most info here is FR stuff. Also there are a couple AWD guys here and they can tell you what they have learned.

"Mods" Move this one to "New to Drifting" please. Thanks.

nissanguy_24 · 07-11-2004, 12:51 PM

no problem..

Drift For Food · 07-11-2004, 01:24 PM

The techniques used are all very similar, but the effects may vary some due to the engine being connected to all 4 wheels. Things like powerover, shift lock, clutch kick, etc will affect all four wheels instead of just the rear two.

The biggest difference is that you can't work the throttle as well for rear end control. Since you also are connected to the front, throttle changes can't be used well for tweaking drift angle or trying to loosen the rear end. The wieght shift effect from letting off the gas or pushing on the gas still affect drift, just not the ability to spin or regrip the tires to adjust rear traction.

Also, steer changes drastically from rwd to awd. Steer is far more that of a fwd car than a rwd car since you are applying power to it. There is much less countersteer, and in fact, you can pretty much drift with the wheel at about center. You may have to actually turn into the corner a little to even maintain a drift, if the car has understeer.

Off throttle characterists are the same as with any car, fwd, rwd, awd. It's just the on-throttle aspect that requires technique changes. Basically, under throttle, you'd have to worry more about creating understeer from the front tires doing some work to pull the car. Also, since you DO have pull on the front tires, the drifting will be different. Under throttle, you'd actually drive almost straight or even turn slightly into the corner to maintain a drift angle. It makes drifting easier in the aspect of not needing to countersteer so much. It's more of just gas it(after the car starts to slide) and steer where you want to go. One nice thing about the front pulling, you can actually induce a drift just by steering hard into a corner and applying thottle, although you run the risk of understeer too, kind of depends on the situation. Also realize that it won't be quite as showy since you're not angled as much as a rwd would be. The drift angles are far less.

In a nutshell, awd means easier drifting due to less need for throttle control(somewhat) and because steering is a bit easier because of less heavy countersteering(under throttle only of course, also goofy to get used to at first). The awd platform is less front rear independent in control. In a rwd you can work the front and rear more independently by steering and throttle respectively. In an awd, all 4 wheels are affected by throttle, so front/rear control is lost in that manner. Front/rear control falls more towards steering/steering+thottle(for pulling), throttle/braking for weight shifts, and more on the e-brake to replace powerover, clutch kick, etc...

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yoga-serega Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1	Need an advise Hello everyone! What video would you advise to learn 4WD drift , Drift bible is based on rear wheel drive cars or technics are similar ? Thanks

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Ghost of Duluth Sixgun Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 2,280	You might want to check out some Rally instructional videos for that info. May be the best place to check, since most info here is FR stuff. Also there are a couple AWD guys here and they can tell you what they have learned. "Mods" Move this one to "New to Drifting" please. Thanks. __________________ Team SIXGUN, Don't whine about the food chain, be the top of it. Tokyo Pimps, Godzilla is coming. Lorin, oh Lorin, where have you gone?? If you're in the stands warming the bench, don't whine about the guys in the drivers seats.

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07-11-2004, 12:51 PM	#3
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	no problem..

07-11-2004, 01:24 PM	#4
Drift For Food OMG the ground's white! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 676	The techniques used are all very similar, but the effects may vary some due to the engine being connected to all 4 wheels. Things like powerover, shift lock, clutch kick, etc will affect all four wheels instead of just the rear two. The biggest difference is that you can't work the throttle as well for rear end control. Since you also are connected to the front, throttle changes can't be used well for tweaking drift angle or trying to loosen the rear end. The wieght shift effect from letting off the gas or pushing on the gas still affect drift, just not the ability to spin or regrip the tires to adjust rear traction. Also, steer changes drastically from rwd to awd. Steer is far more that of a fwd car than a rwd car since you are applying power to it. There is much less countersteer, and in fact, you can pretty much drift with the wheel at about center. You may have to actually turn into the corner a little to even maintain a drift, if the car has understeer. Off throttle characterists are the same as with any car, fwd, rwd, awd. It's just the on-throttle aspect that requires technique changes. Basically, under throttle, you'd have to worry more about creating understeer from the front tires doing some work to pull the car. Also, since you DO have pull on the front tires, the drifting will be different. Under throttle, you'd actually drive almost straight or even turn slightly into the corner to maintain a drift angle. It makes drifting easier in the aspect of not needing to countersteer so much. It's more of just gas it(after the car starts to slide) and steer where you want to go. One nice thing about the front pulling, you can actually induce a drift just by steering hard into a corner and applying thottle, although you run the risk of understeer too, kind of depends on the situation. Also realize that it won't be quite as showy since you're not angled as much as a rwd would be. The drift angles are far less. In a nutshell, awd means easier drifting due to less need for throttle control(somewhat) and because steering is a bit easier because of less heavy countersteering(under throttle only of course, also goofy to get used to at first). The awd platform is less front rear independent in control. In a rwd you can work the front and rear more independently by steering and throttle respectively. In an awd, all 4 wheels are affected by throttle, so front/rear control is lost in that manner. Front/rear control falls more towards steering/steering+thottle(for pulling), throttle/braking for weight shifts, and more on the e-brake to replace powerover, clutch kick, etc...