Another FF civic drift video. (not the old one) PRETTY TIGHT

[Norcalidrifter]

http://www.apartment107.com/assets/v...g2/ffdrift.wmv

check that thing go sideways

[Oki Drifter]

nice
a little short tho

[ebolarama]

That isn't drifting. That's called having a Civic, wishing you could drift, so you yank on the e-brake.

[soultron]

I dunno man, that was the Irwindale track and it looked like it was set up for D1.... that was probably drifting. FF or not.

[Oddball 7]

isnt that the EF driver from Hawaii? i heard somewhere he got invited to Irwindale for Formula D or D1...he's won a lot of comps out in the islands...

nice clip by the way

[Norcalidrifter]

you know what....is that a ef or eg? Cant really see well due to the smoke.

[rasrx7]

its an ef....saw it up close widened in the front running watanabe and some really tiny 13x6 in the rear....cant believe they get that thing sideways enough for it to compete. kinda kewl..but im all bout the rear wheel drive

[AuspeX]

Originally posted by ebolarama
That isn't drifting. That's called having a Civic, wishing you could drift, so you yank on the e-brake.

No, thats called a pro from japan doing a demo at Formula D.

He was pretty good, not as fast or as crazy an angle as the silvias you can see in the background, but better than I expected in a civic.

[my 1 88 u]

he initiated he drift late, that is how he developed a tremendous lead, then once his drift was initiated he was passed with the quickness.

Yes, that was a real drift, damn near anything with atleast two wheels can be drifted. Yes, he is a very talented driver to display that level of control. No, fwd cars and trucks will never drift with the efficiency of rwd cars.

[Phoen_x]

hmmm the civic's DRIVER is very skilled and talented, but Irwindale's high speed corners doesn't display where's he's good at. Maybe at some small windy track in Japan yeah, but in that vid he took off, didn't angle the car sharp like he usually does and went to wide therefore the Silvias passed. *Censored**Censored**Censored* dragging that time imo. I can't read japanese fully yet so I can't actually translate the's tuning and parts. Its best he would stay on small sharp hairpin turns.

And alsooOOO!!!!
I don't know bout the rest of you but I really want to see smack talking, contradicting himself nation wide on spo compact car mag, Chris Rado, fly into a wall with his truck when ever he's competing next year.
Lol hell I wonder if he ever got the balls to do gymkhana, I'd count how many time's he spins out.

[110octane]

FF is not my style but this guy was really good. I was told from a friend that this is Hatakeyama (sp?) san from Japan. This is the same guy that does the demo from the FF option video #19. Apparently, one of his sponsors (FALKEN?) brought his car over from Japan to add a little excitement to the Pro Demo.

I like the idea of this, it is a great way to get more people on the grassroots level involved. Also, it will help keep all the people with civics from selling them and buying up all the 240's...Hahahaha. But seriously, I saw the car in the pits and it has a lot of ingenuity and I think it is very purpose built for Drift or as some say @$$ dragging.

Phoen_x is right. The course was not really ideal for a car of this nature, but overall I think he did a great job. And by the way, he only ran demos so I'm sure that he was really trying to hold a perfect drift line. He was prolly showing of to the crowd around the outside of the track.

Lets see more video of this!

[servinmcgervin]

i first started driving at the age of 12. i lived on a huge ranch out here in the boondocks so my driving started out rally inspired. for a while it was in toyota corolla, then i moved into rock crawling so i got a toyota truck. when i turned 16 i had a 95 integra, and a 2K accord. still living on the dirt roads i learned very well how to drift a FF and the next step i thought would be to bring it onto the streets. after a whole winter worths of practice in the rain i got the hang of it. once summer came around i had to learn a whole different style and approach but over-all it wasn't very hard. you just have to fully commit to what youre doing, and can''t be scared of what could happen!!!

[110octane]

servinmcgervin......do you plan on doing any FF drifting in the future or have you stepped into a RWD setup?

[slipclub]

Yeah, that was Hatakayama's car. Falken had it in their booth at NOPI. I was talking to the team manager about that car, and he was very vauge. He said that it took Falken half the season to dial in the suspension ON THE 240's, let alone understand the FF Hatch. He said even thought they have been competing with the FF car at D1, they really have nothing to compare to, so he really had no advice.

He did however mention what was stated above. The Irwindale track was difficult for F-Dori because he was FF, which meant he has to control his drift with inertia rather than shoving his car up and around the embankment with some RWD action. Being on a sloped oval speedway is not a happy home for FWD skills. But wait-this isn't Nascar, so why race in banked racetracks for drifting? (I know it was because of the accomodating facilities and that lack of real drift course designs in the US) Get F-Dori on a drift course and you'll see some skills.

Actually, the setup made complete sense. The rear was as gutted as you can get. There were no rear strut bars, pillar bars, sways or ties. That way you have some slop in the rear to control where you break it free as opposed to being so stiff that it takes off with the slightest twist and never comes back for you.

Just a lightweight rear with 13" Volk Te-37's and some hard tires he said I could never get in the states.
The front had offset 14" RS Watanabes and 195-14 Falken Azenis. The car sits on EDFC Teins, and has the MAD drift/jdm thang going on. [Cause thats what is does...duh]

It actually has an article this month in Import Racer if you want to check out more on it. Kinda makes you think.

Also, if you were at the SEMA show, they had it there with the new paint job and the Azenis-D's on it. I hate the new Drift Alliance Paint Job, but its still cool he's involved. Sponsorship from Falken should be just what this world needs to understand if there is a potential in the FF Drift market future.

On a side note, if FF does become a thing, then this can be good. Think about it...
Every time you see some 16 yr old with a civic that says he's a drifter, you make fun of him because you feel more intelligent.
Then you tell him to get a real RWD drifter.
Now these kids are buying up all the 240's and hachi's and really not knowing what to do! [Except Gushi] At least if they keep their civics they can leave the RWD's to the people that need them, ya know.

[KYLE ARAI]

Originally posted by Oddball 7
isnt that the EF driver from Hawaii? i heard somewhere he got invited to Irwindale for Formula D or D1...he's won a lot of comps out in the islands...

nice clip by the way

I wish but my drifting looks like an fr that was to much of a messed up line and to much e brake

[240drftr]

that guy is mad good very nice, i think its kinda cool to see FF enter drifting. i have no problem with it. i think more people should try it just as long as they dont turn it all ricer and F&F style. that would be so *Censored**Censored**Censored*. anyways..nice vid

[_PG_]

You guys thought that was good? I'm wiht Kyle on this... the line was so off. Yuck, it looked really sh!tty to me.

While the driver has mad skill, and the rear tires on an FF car can be made to slide, drifting in an FF car will always be like driving a car backwards in reverse to go forward: It CAN be done, but it wasn’t meant to be driven that way.

[malcolm]

RWD drifting is like sex. FWD drifting is just masturbating.

[Nemesis]

he drifting was nice, and yes, his line was obviously off...it was terrible infact, but the course he was on and jus being FF, the situation he was in was bad...but he did what he could with it.

the banks and stuff will no doubtly have some sort of negative effect on the EF as it's meant to be on actual drift courses...or at leats road courses...

i bet if u took him to Tsukuba or any other road course, his line would be much better...i mean look at the other video of him, that's back in the day, and his line was pretty good and the angle as well...especially for a FF car...

i jus wanna see anybody who says anythign deragortory againest the guy to take him on in a full fledge drift battle...then we'll see who's better...

[110octane]

Hatakeyama is a very skilled driver and has the ability to hold good lines at Irwindale. In fact he did it all day long there. You are only seeing a small portion of his run in that clip. Also, keep in mind he is putting on a Demo for the fans around the outside k rail and obviously line is not considered.

Speaking on behalf of the Falken Staff, I assure you SLIPCLUB that no one with Falken said they have been competing in D1 with the FF. It has only been used for the Formula D event here in the states and will be used on the same basis over the next year. Also, the suspension was tuned by Sugano-san with Tein and took roughly 4 runs to dial it in with the EDFC controller at Irwindale Speedway. Also, the paint job that is now placed on all the drift cars is not the "Drift Alliance paint job". The blue and green scallops are Global Falken Tire Motorsports colors and they will be applied to all Team Falken Sponsored vehicles. The new Azenis sport that was debuted at SEMA is not a Drift only tire (Azenis-D???). The real name is Azenis Sport RT-615. The tire is a direct replacement for the current Azenis sport and replaces it in confidence that it is an all around sports driving tire. The tire will be released in Japan at Tokyo Auto Salon in January. For once we get something before they do!

If you are a lover or hater of F Dori and live in the So Cal area, feel free to check out the Falken Tire Drift Show off on November 21. There will be plenty of RWD action and Hatakeyama will be there putting on some demo sessions with Team Falken. He will also be around to field any comments or questions you may have.

Kyle, why don't you come out and show us all how good you are!?

[CrazyHawaiian]

Haha how about you pay for him to ship his car to the mainland and back? Believe me, he is more than willing to battle anybody over there in the states. No funds ...

[110octane]

Why should I or anyone else have to pay for him? Everybody else that is here drifting is paying there own way?

I love F Dori and would love to see him come here to battle everyone, not just Hatakeyama. But if he is every bit as good as you guys say he is (and I agree) he needs to get his @$$ over hear and find a way to get to the track, just like everyone else! It's not like there aren't any civics here he couldn't set up and drive.

All that I am saying is, right now, to prove something to everyone here he needs to come over to the states and get it done! Quit talking about it and do it. And quit criticizing the only FF guy that has made the sacrifices (Family, work, money) and commitments to come over from Japan to showcase his incredible skill. And believe me he is very talented. I was the only one fortunate enough to ride along with him at Irwindale and needless to say........he impressed the $@#& out of me and I've riden with some of the best RWD drivers Japan and the States have to offer.

As you and I both know, it (F Dori) is very different but the amount of work he does in that cockpit is insane just to keep the car sliding and mimicking the lines of the faster more powerful RWD cars.

Less hostility, more action!

[slipclub]

110Octane:
Sorry to give out such misinformation. I stand corrected at everything I was trying to say. I do believe I was told that it was difficult at Irwindale because of the bank, although I wasn't there.

Maybe I was just misinformed or something about the suspension, because the older gentleman that spoke to me at Nopi was just avoiding giving me any details on the car.

And I really only had some SEMA pics to compare the paint job...sorry. I still don't like it on that car.

Once again my info on the Azenis was from Sema pics, and since it was debuted on all the drift cars, I assumed...

To Hatekayama, keep up the good work for diversity in FF Drift. You look great doing what you do.

If anyone knows of any posters ever made with the Black and Red F-dori Car I'd love to get my hands on one!

[CrazyHawaiian]

Well if you're gonna call him out like that then there's the answer. I think he should be allowed to give his own opinion without being called out. Unless someone else pays for it, its not gonna happen. Its not exactly easy to "show you instead of telling you" when you have to ship your car by boat 3000 miles. Out of all the local drifters we have over here, very very few are sponsored. None drive their own cars at mainland events. People have told Kyle he could use their car, but they didnt come through. Can you provide him with a car? Its really easy for people to say stuff, harder for stuff to actually happen. Thats just life. So until something happens, you'll just have to read about our events or watch videos of our events if you want to "see it". Just like how we have to read about your guys events and watch vids since we cant see them in person. Last time Drift Showoff came down to Hawaii, both Kazama and Kumakubo gave respect to Kyle. I dont think he has to prove anything to anybody.