Apexi 4A-GTE

driftersil80 · 11-02-2004, 02:00 PM

Has anyone ever turbocharged their 4A-GE engine with an Apex'i turbo? If so, does anyone have any pics of the engine?

Darkstar · 11-02-2004, 02:04 PM

There were some HKS kits (turbo and twincharger setups), but I haven't heard of any A'PEXi kit. Where did you hear about it? Club 4AG?

CRASHDRIVE · 11-02-2004, 02:08 PM

Ha ha ha..

I like the fact that you're using Nissans engine/chassi code scheme (such as: KA24DE-T or RB26DETT)

ha ha...

Just because Nissan uses it for their engine codes, that doesn't mean it's across the board ^_^

Slonie · 11-02-2004, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CRASHDRIVE
Ha ha ha..

I like the fact that you're using Nissans engine/chassi code scheme (such as: KA24DE-T or RB26DETT)

ha ha...

Just because Nissan uses it for their engine codes, that doesn't mean it's across the board ^_^

Actually Toyota uses the T to denote turbo as well...See: 3T-GTE, 3S-GTE, 2JZ-GTE, etc.

4A-GTE is a perfectly valid way to specify a turbo 4A-GE, and would be the factory code were it ever produced. See also: 4A-GZE (the Z means supercharged).

driftersil80 · 11-02-2004, 08:27 PM

Yes, Slonie is correct. I wont get too mad at you Crashdrive. But, lets just put it this way. If I wanted to be a nooby Nissan engine dude then I would say 4A-GET. Because on Nissans you always tack the "T" on the end. Anyways, could you use Apex's IHI RX-6 BB Turbocharger somehow? I'm wondering this all because I simply can. It just intrigues me to figure it out. Oh and BTW I have looked around and researched this topic.

Darkstar · 11-03-2004, 01:55 AM

RX-6 is way too large for a 4A-GE. It would be suitable for a 2 liter engine, but not for a little 1.6...

driftersil80 · 11-03-2004, 08:25 PM

What exactly does "too large" mean?

Darkstar · 11-04-2004, 08:05 AM

"Too large" means that the compressor side blades are too large, making them harder to spin around, and, as a result, causes the turbine side blades to spin slower too. A 1.6 liter engine doesn't create that much exhaust gases, so the energy from their flow is smaller when compared to a 2 liter engine. Do you understand now?

driftersil80 · 11-04-2004, 12:07 PM

Yes, but what exactly does this do in the end? Produce less horsepower then the turbo should or what?

Wayne · 11-04-2004, 12:18 PM

ahha well fds have little 1.3l engines (supposedly i think it is 2.6l) and ive heard of a few people using that turbo and making over 350hp, hell you could prolyl break 400 if you tried

Darkstar · 11-04-2004, 10:35 PM

...but the rotary exhast gases flow with much more energy, making them a good base for turbos. Think twice before you write something.

Nemesis · 11-04-2004, 11:35 PM

darkstar is correct, but you also gotta know what the turbo application will be.

Highway? Drift? Drag?

it'll play a part in tubro choice...a larger turbo might not be the greatest for drag or drift but on the highway a car that needs power and has along time to come up with it...a larger tubro will suit it fine...now for drifting or winding roads or even drag a smaller to midsize turbo does better since it doesn't lag as much and will give u a better boost response rather than...well...more boost...

jus know what ur gonna be doin with the car and chooce the appropiate turbo for the application

Sideways Spanky · 11-05-2004, 06:27 AM

Almost correct, Nemesis.

For drag applications, you want the biggest turbo possible. Many professional drag racers use large turbo's, and then use a blast of nitrous to spool it very fast. Ever seen Roy Narvaez's Eclipse?

Wayne · 11-05-2004, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkstar
...but the rotary exhast gases flow with much more energy, making them a good base for turbos. Think twice before you write something.

very tru, i was just adding my two cents, sorry big dog

NismoSigma · 11-05-2004, 08:11 AM

I really really dont want to sound like an *Censored**Censored**Censored* or a flamer, but why do you need this information if your name says master GT3 drifter, srry please dont flame just an honest question!

driftersil80 · 11-05-2004, 05:23 PM

You forgot to mention the fact that i'm 14

Its because I want to learn. I want to ask questions. So, I did just that.

zagazow · 11-07-2004, 04:40 PM

it's not an apexi tourbow...but this is what my 4a-gte looks like...

LexmarkX73 · 11-07-2004, 06:38 PM

i belive you must first research turbo matching before choosing random turbo models

TougeTora · 11-07-2004, 07:24 PM

Ahem..I really have to say this.The 1.3 litre is TRULY 1.3. It is in fact a VERY small displacement, super high revving High output potential motor. The exhaust gases however in a rotory are at least that of a small 6, as well as its fuel consumption. Power output really is merely a matter of how much boost your willing to push through it. Apex seals really need to be considered as well in the turbo App. As it was pointed out to me by CheckPoint Engineering in Sacramento California, a properly tuned twin turbo set up pushing a MATCHED 27 p.s.i. could feasibley produce in the neighborhood of 800 + b.h.p.. I love the way that people underestimate the rotory!! Their loss.
Tora of Team7

TougeTora · 11-07-2004, 07:29 PM

Yes, one must DEFINITELY do the turbomatching research in choosing a proper turbo for the engine and its application, as intake airflow, ease of air passage and room for the mass airflow dynamic have to be considered along with compression and so forth. otherwise you could blow your head through the hood. Another advantage to the rotory....I have yet to hear of one coming apart under extreme boost.

Zach300zx · 11-07-2004, 07:44 PM

You could always rebuild the turbo and put a compressor wheel with smaller fins could you not? therefore making it easier to spin and would make it easier to create boost. Just a thought, correct me if im wrong please.
-Zach

zagazow · 11-07-2004, 07:50 PM

yep, trim and ar ratios are more important than brand names. a lot of people think HKS turbo, apex, blitz...t60-this, GT-that...most of the time their mostly garret built with a name brand stamped on it. do a lot of matching research, learn stuff and save money...

TougeTora · 11-07-2004, 08:04 PM

For Real Peeps!!

11-02-2004, 02:00 PM	#1
driftersil80 GT3/KB2 Drift Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 836	Apexi 4A-GTE Has anyone ever turbocharged their 4A-GE engine with an Apex'i turbo? If so, does anyone have any pics of the engine?

11-07-2004, 04:40 PM	#17
zagazow Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	not apexi it's not an apexi tourbow...but this is what my 4a-gte looks like...

11-07-2004, 07:24 PM	#19
TougeTora Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 43	ahha well fds have little 1.3l engines (supposedly i think it is 2.6l) and ive heard Ahem..I really have to say this.The 1.3 litre is TRULY 1.3. It is in fact a VERY small displacement, super high revving High output potential motor. The exhaust gases however in a rotory are at least that of a small 6, as well as its fuel consumption. Power output really is merely a matter of how much boost your willing to push through it. Apex seals really need to be considered as well in the turbo App. As it was pointed out to me by CheckPoint Engineering in Sacramento California, a properly tuned twin turbo set up pushing a MATCHED 27 p.s.i. could feasibley produce in the neighborhood of 800 + b.h.p.. I love the way that people underestimate the rotory!! Their loss. Tora of Team7

11-07-2004, 07:29 PM	#20
TougeTora Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 43	turbomatching Yes, one must DEFINITELY do the turbomatching research in choosing a proper turbo for the engine and its application, as intake airflow, ease of air passage and room for the mass airflow dynamic have to be considered along with compression and so forth. otherwise you could blow your head through the hood. Another advantage to the rotory....I have yet to hear of one coming apart under extreme boost.

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11-02-2004, 02:04 PM	#2
Darkstar Post idiot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 260	There were some HKS kits (turbo and twincharger setups), but I haven't heard of any A'PEXi kit. Where did you hear about it? Club 4AG?

11-02-2004, 02:08 PM	#3
CRASHDRIVE Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 937	Ha ha ha.. I like the fact that you're using Nissans engine/chassi code scheme (such as: KA24DE-T or RB26DETT) ha ha... Just because Nissan uses it for their engine codes, that doesn't mean it's across the board ^_^

11-02-2004, 08:27 PM	#5
driftersil80 GT3/KB2 Drift Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 836	Yes, Slonie is correct. I wont get too mad at you Crashdrive. But, lets just put it this way. If I wanted to be a nooby Nissan engine dude then I would say 4A-GET. Because on Nissans you always tack the "T" on the end. Anyways, could you use Apex's IHI RX-6 BB Turbocharger somehow? I'm wondering this all because I simply can. It just intrigues me to figure it out. Oh and BTW I have looked around and researched this topic.

11-03-2004, 01:55 AM	#6
Darkstar Post idiot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 260	RX-6 is way too large for a 4A-GE. It would be suitable for a 2 liter engine, but not for a little 1.6...

11-03-2004, 08:25 PM	#7
driftersil80 GT3/KB2 Drift Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 836	What exactly does "too large" mean?

11-04-2004, 08:05 AM	#8
Darkstar Post idiot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 260	"Too large" means that the compressor side blades are too large, making them harder to spin around, and, as a result, causes the turbine side blades to spin slower too. A 1.6 liter engine doesn't create that much exhaust gases, so the energy from their flow is smaller when compared to a 2 liter engine. Do you understand now?

11-04-2004, 12:07 PM	#9
driftersil80 GT3/KB2 Drift Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 836	Yes, but what exactly does this do in the end? Produce less horsepower then the turbo should or what?

11-04-2004, 12:18 PM	#10
Wayne Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 932	ahha well fds have little 1.3l engines (supposedly i think it is 2.6l) and ive heard of a few people using that turbo and making over 350hp, hell you could prolyl break 400 if you tried

11-04-2004, 10:35 PM	#11
Darkstar Post idiot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 260	...but the rotary exhast gases flow with much more energy, making them a good base for turbos. Think twice before you write something.

11-04-2004, 11:35 PM	#12
Nemesis Boro Miata Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 722	darkstar is correct, but you also gotta know what the turbo application will be. Highway? Drift? Drag? it'll play a part in tubro choice...a larger turbo might not be the greatest for drag or drift but on the highway a car that needs power and has along time to come up with it...a larger tubro will suit it fine...now for drifting or winding roads or even drag a smaller to midsize turbo does better since it doesn't lag as much and will give u a better boost response rather than...well...more boost... jus know what ur gonna be doin with the car and chooce the appropiate turbo for the application

11-05-2004, 06:27 AM	#13
Sideways Spanky Posts: 5,999,846 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Allen, Texas Posts: 89	Almost correct, Nemesis. For drag applications, you want the biggest turbo possible. Many professional drag racers use large turbo's, and then use a blast of nitrous to spool it very fast. Ever seen Roy Narvaez's Eclipse?

11-05-2004, 08:11 AM	#15
NismoSigma Driftin' to the MOON! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 675	I really really dont want to sound like an CensoredCensoredCensored or a flamer, but why do you need this information if your name says master GT3 drifter, srry please dont flame just an honest question!

11-05-2004, 05:23 PM	#16
driftersil80 GT3/KB2 Drift Master Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 836	You forgot to mention the fact that i'm 14 Its because I want to learn. I want to ask questions. So, I did just that.

11-07-2004, 06:38 PM	#18
LexmarkX73 noob Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: computer Posts: 250	i belive you must first research turbo matching before choosing random turbo models

11-07-2004, 07:44 PM	#21
Zach300zx Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 54	You could always rebuild the turbo and put a compressor wheel with smaller fins could you not? therefore making it easier to spin and would make it easier to create boost. Just a thought, correct me if im wrong please. -Zach

11-07-2004, 07:50 PM	#22
zagazow Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	yep, trim and ar ratios are more important than brand names. a lot of people think HKS turbo, apex, blitz...t60-this, GT-that...most of the time their mostly garret built with a name brand stamped on it. do a lot of matching research, learn stuff and save money...

11-07-2004, 08:04 PM	#23
TougeTora Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 43	For Real Peeps!!