me drifting... what do you think?

[doriFC]

here it is

[S13pwrdbySnail]

can't really tell, atleast you have a 240

[mk3mann]

i saw you running from the cops last week....thats the same pic they used in the "most wanted" campaign also....

anyone up CASH FOR CLUES....LMAO


just kidding...looks like you had a nice slip angle ( for the picture at least)

[Tuner]

Mmmm open diff lol.. Just kidding, it is a nice angle

[doriFC]

yeah open diff.... not the best drift spot either

[Fransisco]

oh my god...
where is the pic of you drifting? I dont see any.

why are you drifting in stock suspension and open diff! you're just asking for trouble

[Ralli///Art GS]

Originally posted by Fransisco
oh my god...
where is the pic of you drifting? I dont see any.

why are you drifting in stock suspension and open diff! you're just asking for trouble

um....he's out there drifting and having fun, so he has stock suspension and an open diff? who cares...you were probably in front of your computer being a nerd when he was out practicing...

[Rteam123]

yeah cut the guy some slack, at least hes out there having the time of his life, and we cant all afford to right off the bat buy some suspension and/or lsd, o and dorifc, lookin good

[Fransisco]

whats with the hostility..

topic is me drifting... what do you think?

I'm telling him what I think, who knows I might have done him a favor with a negative comment.

seriously, I just have a strong view that people should have decent suspension and lsd at least before you begin. makes the learning process 100x easier.

[Stannyboy]

Not the best angle but at least your in counter steer. I see you got a lot of body roll going on.. You might wanna work on suspension if you can. Just keep practicing and you'll get it down with some sick angle.

[DizyDrifter]

Yeah, that was kinda harsh fransisco, but i understand where yur comin from. i also know that people (like me) aren't always able to afford suspension and a LSD. but it looks good with what you got! cool man.

[Ris4drift]

Originally posted by Fransisco
whats with the hostility..

topic is me drifting... what do you think?

I'm telling him what I think, who knows I might have done him a favor with a negative comment.

seriously, I just have a strong view that people should have decent suspension and lsd at least before you begin. makes the learning process 100x easier.

heres an idea. get off the computer adn go drift. unlike 90% of this forum he 1) actually has a car and 2) is tryign to drift.
my car has stock suspensoin because im poor. and i konw epople who have open diff and stock suspension that place at local events. but im sure its impossible to pick up drifting with stock parts. again, like most this board needs to, go actualy get a car , learn how to drive, possibly think about drifting, th en come back and post. all you e-drifters posting stupid stuff is gettign annoying (annoying was cencored? that was originally in my post, unless someones been editing them again )

the pic doesnt really tell a lot though. but props for actually getting out tehre!

[NismoSigma]

Heres an idea for all you guys who think you can bully someone with 2 posts and the 1st being a negative one........................... nice job. As for the pic, all that matters is that you have fun, hell you drift a camel, a dog, or even a lawn mower. I do it with shopping karts, those things are beastly when it comes to tight plastic tile corners.

[Fransisco]

touchy crowd, who's bullying who?

I guess my comment would have been better without this line

oh my god...
where is the pic of you drifting? I dont see any.

I must have been in a foul mood, sorry doriFC, it was a good attempt.

from the pic it looks like a mixture of powersliding and understeering... if you were drifting the distance between the two tire mark would be much closer together, you just have no angle.

I do have a car and I do drift regularly on the track, from my experience going from stock to full drift setup, it was wow this is so easy now.
takes all the myth out when you have a good car.

[DizyDrifter]

you sound like a certain drag racer i remember

[malcolm]

(good suspension) makes the learning process 100x easier.

I believe it's far better to get out and practice with a stock vehicle, so when you upgrade to a better suspension, you can learn the differences, and then learn how to adapt to a new car. It's not so much learning how to drive/drift that is the issue, it is adapting that people need to learn. Starting with a crap car (ie. totally stock), and then slowly building it up, the owner gets to experience each change, and adapt to it, thus becoming a much better driver. Also, it will isolate a lot of variables, and teach the driver what each modification does, and how it affects the car. They will find that bigger sway bars will reduce roll, and therefore require them to rock the car faster when trying to feint, etc, etc. If someone puts full coilovers, with aftermarket sway bars, strut tower braces, better brakes, better tires, etc, then they'll be so deep into it that they'll never be able to understand how everything works together, let alone how to tune it properly.

Sure, he may be able to drift better out of the box if he drops a few thousand dollars into his suspension, but he'll have a hell of a time trying to figure out how to improve the set-up of the car, and he won't have the experience of having to adapt to a seemingly new car.

[Coiloverkid]

everyone knows I'm better than everyone else on this board, so there.

[Fransisco]

Originally posted by malcolm
I believe it's far better to get out and practice with a stock vehicle, so when you upgrade to a better suspension, you can learn the differences, and then learn how to adapt to a new car. It's not so much learning how to drive/drift that is the issue, it is adapting that people need to learn. Starting with a crap car (ie. totally stock), and then slowly building it up, the owner gets to experience each change, and adapt to it, thus becoming a much better driver. Also, it will isolate a lot of variables, and teach the driver what each modification does, and how it affects the car. They will find that bigger sway bars will reduce roll, and therefore require them to rock the car faster when trying to feint, etc, etc. If someone puts full coilovers, with aftermarket sway bars, strut tower braces, better brakes, better tires, etc, then they'll be so deep into it that they'll never be able to understand how everything works together, let alone how to tune it properly.

Sure, he may be able to drift better out of the box if he drops a few thousand dollars into his suspension, but he'll have a hell of a time trying to figure out how to improve the set-up of the car, and he won't have the experience of having to adapt to a seemingly new car.

The object here is just to minimize the risk, drifting is a bit different than racing, even the track can be dangerous place to practice. on our first official drift day an s14 drifting on a left hand sweeper, the car suddenly snap to the right hitting the wall then rolled. On our second drift day a trueno rolled after bouncing of the ripple strip. both drivers have racing experienced.

the s14 had a set of coilovers installed and the trueno was a racecar i think it was setup for rallying as the suspension was as high as stock.. maybe it was stock.

and we were using one of the best(safest) track in the country (NZ), to begin drifting. I can confidently say that if the s14 had a decent LSD the driver had a better chance recovering after his drift. and the trueno would have not rolled if it was much lower.

as the organiser of the day I founded this really annoying, people that came with stock cars, always spinning out getting in other drivers way and tearing up the grass, when other drivers who setup their cars improved after every meet.

I'm sure he would have a good time setting up the car, if the enviroment is safe enough go for it.

[Rteam123]

Originally posted by Coiloverkid
everyone knows I'm better than everyone else on this board, so there.

listen to the man, hes right, we need to all pack our bags and head home with are tails between our legs.......

[malcolm]

on our first official drift day an s14 drifting on a left hand sweeper......

there's your first problem... why on earth are people drifting on SWEEPERS on their first drift day?

Sure, there will be accidents; that's part of the game. However, you just showed that even people with tuned suspension can have accidents. Tuned suspension will not make anything safer, it will just make your limits higher. Therefore you will be able to push harder and go faster, which would actually be MORE dangerous.

Stock vehicles can be unpredictable to the inexperienced driver, but that doesn't make them dangerous. The driver just needs to understand what the car will do and how it reacts to each input.

[Drifterlunchb0x]

I applaud the guy!!!!

I believe it's far better to get out and practice with a stock vehicle, so when you upgrade to a better suspension, you can learn the differences, and then learn how to adapt to a new car. It's not so much learning how to drive/drift that is the issue, it is adapting that people need to learn. Starting with a crap car (ie. totally stock), and then slowly building it up, the owner gets to experience each change, and adapt to it, thus becoming a much better driver. Also, it will isolate a lot of variables, and teach the driver what each modification does, and how it affects the car. They will find that bigger sway bars will reduce roll, and therefore require them to rock the car faster when trying to feint, etc, etc. If someone puts full coilovers, with aftermarket sway bars, strut tower braces, better brakes, better tires, etc, then they'll be so deep into it that they'll never be able to understand how everything works together, let alone how to tune it properly.

I agree to an extent...after my experiences of building my car so quickly...i wasnt able to fully learn the car and as i was we would than throw an entire new component on the car. I belive ppl should start out with at least some suspension components such as strut/sway bars and at least some stiff springs, because at least having those elements and just learning the car ina grip way makes drifting that much easier. I have pretty much a fully built suspension and its a looooooooot easier to initiate and sustain a drift for long lengths and times. Its all about the predictability of your car, once you know how it acts and reacts..its predictable wich is what you want.


and kid keep up the good work just becareful when and where you do it. id hate to hear or see any of us fellow drifters hitting others and putting others lives in danger.

[doriFC]

as for the positive comments... thanks guys
all the rest, i dont have much money right now... i just bought the car and im planning on suspension changes very soon.. as soon as i have the money...
id love to see any of you come out to this little corner and try to do better... you cant see the whole corner so you dont really know exactly how it is.
the point is... do with what you got.

[Fransisco]

Originally posted by malcolm

Sure, there will be accidents; that's part of the game. However, you just showed that even people with tuned suspension can have accidents. Tuned suspension will not make anything safer, it will just make your limits higher. Therefore you will be able to push harder and go faster, which would actually be MORE dangerous.
[/B]

thats a fair comment.. the faster you go the more dangerous it is, but your entire comment is kinda twisting the fact.
I can put it down like this

Drifting at 40mph which is safer? tuned or stock?
Drifting at 80mph which is safer? tuned or stock?

the limits can be easily reduced with the way you setup your car, eg using crappy tires, suspension setup for drift.. as you get better you start using grippier tyre and set your suspension up for grip.

at least the car will be more predictable, and there is only so much you can learn from driving the car stock. lesson #1 yup too much body roll..

[malcolm]

hmmm... ok.. MAYBE get a strut brace and an LSD. that's my final offer.

(but leave the suspension alone)

[Carl]

I must say that starting to drift in a car that isnt the bst drifter hlped me become a better difter. I started in an MR2 turbo, boy it was hard, very hard infact, but when I got use to it and bought my S13 i found it very easy to control. THe reason it was very easy was because i had developed my reactions on the MR2.
my S13 had stock suspension when i first started, it was great fun. I have strong views about newbie drifters that spend loads of money on their drift car before drifting it. Its stupid and ive seen more than 1 person give up and sell the car because the cant handle it properly.

Ignore the people that are too harsh on you. everyone started somehere and i doubt many if the japanese drifters started with a perfectly setup drift car when they began. Most of them had standard 86's and old datsuns.