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Old 01-08-2004, 05:53 PM   #1
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Powersliding vs drifting

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I am at poker night the other night and some guy tells me he did a powerslide. And i said you should try drifting. We got into a discussion and realized both of us didnt know what the hell we were talking about. SO what is the difference between a powerslide and drifting???


No flames on how ignorant i am either
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Old 01-08-2004, 06:06 PM   #2
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A powerslide is a type of drift, Drifting is basiccly losing grip while taking a turn.
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Old 01-08-2004, 06:16 PM   #3
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I am at poker night the other night and some guy tells me he did a powerslide. And i said you should try drifting. We got into a discussion and realized both of us didnt know what the hell we were talking about. SO what is the difference between a powerslide and drifting???
You were talking about the same thing the only diference is the era in which the driver is or was doing it. What used to be called powersliding is now called drifting and drifting is now a sport. Before drifting/powersliding was exclusive pretty much as a rally driving technique for loose surfaces.

Also don't let anyone tell you drifting is a faster cornering method because that will be the next thing you will hear on this board???
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Old 01-08-2004, 06:33 PM   #4
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You're a n00b aren't you?

Show drifting isn't faster but race drifting is. Learn the difference.
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Old 01-08-2004, 06:49 PM   #5
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You're a n00b aren't you?

Show drifting isn't faster but race drifting is. Learn the difference.



The n00b might be you dude. Race drifting is RARELY faster than a solid gripping line. No matter what happens in ID. =\

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Old 01-08-2004, 07:01 PM   #6
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Technically, a powerslide is a technique in which you use the momentum of the car coming through the corner to slide. In a drift, the car is sliding before entering the corner.

Put another way, a powerslide loses grip after the apex of the turn, while a drift loses grip before.

Also, a powerslide can be a legitimate racing technique, allowing travel through a corner and into a straight faster, while a drift, excluding limited rally applications, is purely about show.
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Old 01-08-2004, 07:08 PM   #7
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everyone who says that drift is all show tends to forget about one thing: today's race cars have tons of grip and downforce. The reason drift can be faster in some cases is that it was born out of street racing. Street racing=street tires and no external downforce. Just watch an old F1 race from the 50's... they drift nearly every corner.
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Old 01-09-2004, 12:39 AM   #8
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the difference, well to me anyways, between drifting and powersliding is that a drift is set up to lose traction from the beginning, a powerslide is when you go into a corner too fast and the momentum of your car and the speed just pulls you beyond the grip of you tires resulting in a slide after you started the turn. Drifting is on purpose, powersliding is sort of on accident.
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Old 01-09-2004, 02:38 AM   #9
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everyone who says that drift is all show tends to forget about one thing: today's race cars have tons of grip and downforce. The reason drift can be faster in some cases is that it was born out of street racing. Street racing=street tires and no external downforce. Just watch an old F1 race from the 50's... they drift nearly every corner.
sorry dog i'm new to the drift scene on here, BUT i do know auto racing and in no way is drifting, powersliding on concrete/asphalt fast, direct line is the fastest way around a turn when u slide or dift your losing momentum, and the reason the "older" F-1 cars appeared to drift was because the driver was pushing the car to it's limit of control, if u watch any kind of racing from F-1 to Indy to any GT racing from Japan, Europe, US where the racing is tight and close between two or more drivers you'll see if someone starts to slide on a turn they'll lose momentum, thats why race cars are set up for downforce because they want the car to go around a turn as fast as u can go without losing control of the car, Do u know that a F-1 car produces enough downforce at top speed i believe even at 150mph that it can LITERALLY race upside down? I kid u not
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Old 01-09-2004, 03:51 AM   #10
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^ Yeah, this guy is right. Talk all you want about how drifting is faster than straight line, blah blah blah...the simple fact is that a car is meant to go forwards and when you take that car and make it go sideways, regardless of angle, it will travel slower. I did know that about the F1 cars too, and to put it bluntly, that's F-ed up.
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Old 01-09-2004, 09:30 AM   #11
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A powerslide is a type of drift, Drifting is basiccly losing grip while taking a turn.
...Power slide and drift are completely diferent. just losing grip ina turn is a power slide. power slide tend to be induced by crankign the wheel and giving it gas 1/2 through a turn (the ever so controversial power over drift). and coming out of the turn with te *Censored**Censored**Censored* end WAY out. thats not a drift.

Drifting can be classed as a fully controlled slide powerslides tend to be uncontrolled. the concept of drifting is to hold the "slide" through a series of opossing turns without regaining traction. if you just powerslide on eturn you will quickly find yourself in the curb.

dont; confuse driftign and power sliding. just because your tial end goes out doesnt; mean you just pulled off a drift. when you are going through a bunch of a corners sideways and controlling the slide with THROTTLE not steering. you MAY be drifting.
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:12 AM   #12
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...Power slide and drift are completely diferent. just losing grip ina turn is a power slide. power slide tend to be induced by crankign the wheel and giving it gas 1/2 through a turn (the ever so controversial power over drift). and coming out of the turn with te *Censored**Censored**Censored* end WAY out. thats not a drift.

Drifting can be classed as a fully controlled slide powerslides tend to be uncontrolled. the concept of drifting is to hold the "slide" through a series of opossing turns without regaining traction. if you just powerslide on eturn you will quickly find yourself in the curb.

dont; confuse driftign and power sliding. just because your tial end goes out doesnt; mean you just pulled off a drift. when you are going through a bunch of a corners sideways and controlling the slide with THROTTLE not steering. you MAY be drifting.
Agree. PowerSliding is just sliding (usually applies to FF cars). TODAYS drifting is consist of turns and purposely letting go of your grip and controling that drift in each turns. Listen to the tire screetching on D1. It hardly stopped. Because they didn't have traction most of the time.
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Old 01-09-2004, 01:37 PM   #13
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Powersliding means you are applying power with the tail out... duh, power. It' not just sliding in general. It's part of drifting... aka "power over". Of course there's more to drifing than just powersliding. When somebody says powerslide, they USUALLY are refereing to the middle/exit of a turn.

As for the comment on it being an era type thing... uhm, ok. I think you are reaching... it's semmantics and terminology/ common sense. When I was a kid on bmx bike (late70s-80) we'd skid and slide the tail out, usualy to a stop using the brake. The big thing was a true "powerslide" instead of the more boring brake skid, where you actualy pedal the bike around a turn and slide the rear tire out with a strong crank.
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Old 01-09-2004, 06:20 PM   #14
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Most of you are all a bunch of infiantile retards driving your parents cars anyway for you to think drifting is new and it's different than powersliding because, of this and because of that bla bla bla.

For christ sakes it all started sixty years ago in the European rally scene, those rally drivers developed every technique you see today in drifting. The feint, lift off, pendulum etc etc. On loose surface their wheels are constantly spinning "just like the D1 cars" on tarmac. The rally drivers set their cars sideways before the corners "just like the D1 drivers" do today.

Like I said before, the term powersliding has evolved into the word drifting today. Thats all, but for some reason everybody wants to claim it as their own and it's new. Sorry to dissapoint but you can't clam something that has already existed extensively for half a century in other parts of the world.

This is a quote from the Silverstone Rally School in the UK:
"Sliding a car sideways through a corner, a hand brake turn at a downhill hair-pin, a pendulum slide through the "esses" and all under control! The noise. The dust (or mud) and the pure excitement of driving a real rally car on an authentic gravel "special stage".

http://www.silverstonerally.co.uk/about.html

Sounds very much like drifting eh except there much more involved in a rally. Remember a drifting comp today involves what 3-4 maybe 5-corners! How about a fifteen munute stage with over 300 corners with speeds well over 100mph and a 100 foot sheer cliff drops on one side of you. If anybody went to a rally school here in the U.S they would quickley become one of the top drifters because these schools teach all these techniques. Case in point - Rhys Millen a top U.S Rally driver is it an accident that he is one of the top U.S drifters? Well I guess most of you reading this would think so judging by the post I have read so far.

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the difference, well to me anyways, between drifting and powersliding is that a drift is set up to lose traction from the beginning, a powerslide is when you go into a corner too fast and the momentum of your car and the speed just pulls you beyond the grip of you tires resulting in a slide after you started the turn. Drifting is on purpose, powersliding is sort of on accident.
This guy has obviously never drifted or powerslid his parents car yet, "powersliding is a sort of accident"..hahahaha sure it is, tell that to Petter Solberg, "So Petter you accidentally powerslid the car throughout the whole Acropolis Rally". You people are funny!

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As for the comment on it being an era type thing... uhm, ok. I think you are reaching... it's semmantics and terminology/ common sense. When I was a kid on bmx bike (late70s-80) we'd skid and slide the tail out, usualy to a stop using the brake. The big thing was a true "powerslide" instead of the more boring brake skid, where you actualy pedal the bike around a turn and slide the rear tire out with a strong crank.
Reaching am I, Iwas actually talking about car driving techniques and you talked about bicycles. Who's reaching? Why don't you reach beyond what's in front of your nose and acknowlage the history of rally and that the word powersliding has evolved into the new term called drifting, that's all? There is much love from me to those who want to learn and understand this new sport, but ignorance I cannot tollerate.
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Old 01-09-2004, 07:13 PM   #15
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OWNAGE!

Yea I had a little contoversy over this with my friends...I guess both of us were wrong....LOL
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Old 01-09-2004, 07:16 PM   #16
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Woah, settle down there. I wasn't attacking you. I think you and I are actually in agreement, all except for the point on the word "powersliding". I, like you, grow weary of the newby people that are overly concerned with "what this means", and "is this that, or this?".

I'm fully aware of rally and the techniques and am not so smug or naive to think drifting is all of being sideways. I was well into motorsports before I got into drifting. The only spot I really disagree with you is your statement that powersliding had come to mean the same thing as drifting. I don't think people use the term "powerslide" when talking about rally in general, might talk about a powerslide here, or one there, but not generaly describe the sideways driving as powersliding as you represent here.... the terms are not exaclty interchangable.

I brought up the example of the bicycle precisely because I think people are too concerned with all the "what do you think x means" talk. It was a word that described a specific act, not some grand term that has something to be decifered.

BTW, rally will not neccessarily make you a good drifter, though I agree it would gerneraly tend to. The tarmac and gravel specialists within usually fall WAY down the ranks when they try the other surface than they are used too. I mean, that's why they are specialist, and are used only on those venues most of the time.

Still not sure you belive me? I drove at an exhibition along with another driver than had done a few rounds of pro rally last year... and when put on pavement he was too timid, and pretty much sucked. In his defense I'll say he was in an ill-suited car that did not belong to him, but other drivers that day without rally (or drifting) experience easily outdid him in that same vehicle.

Do you see now? Perhaps you still disagree with me. Either way, that's fine. Just don't be mad about it.

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Old 01-09-2004, 07:26 PM   #17
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Xler8 alot of what you say is true and has been said numerous times before but for you to come down on foilman as retarded,find out about him first. I'm pretty sure that guy will outdrive you ANY day of the week. Outdrift, outdrive or anything to do in a car so know who you are talking to before you try to make them look like an *Censored**Censored**Censored*. Obviously you haven't watched him or his footage on this site or been to any event that he has been at. He is VERY good. Might want to check that first before inserting your foot in your mouth.

Alot of people on this site are good. Alot of people on this site don't drive and just talk. You get that wherever you go. You also have to remember that these are peoples opinions. Some may be just starting and some may not. But you can't go round calling *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*, cause some actually do drive and drive well instead of driving their parents cars and hanging out at McDonalds on Friday nights with the neon on.

But like I said alot of what you say makes alot of sense but at this point I as I am sure alot of others have little respect for you. You may not care, that's all fine and good but until you can treat others with respect I think what you say is crap.

Drifting has been round ever since the car was invented. Sure your heel/toe, scandinavian flick all that was coined by Rally racing but alot of it's been done ever since people could drive. They just call it drifting now.

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Old 01-10-2004, 12:22 AM   #18
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Foilman I apologise if it seemed I was attacking you, that was not my intention. Just to clarify with Ghost I said "most of you are infintantile retards", I didn't single anybody out certinally not Foilman. I am glad to hear that Foilman drives/drifts, I give a lot of respect for that, and I hope some day to meet him and see him drive. We need more actual drivers who can legitimatly talk about drifitng on ths message board, don't you think?

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But like I said alot of what you say makes alot of sense but at this point I as I am sure alot of others have little respect for you. You may not care, that's all fine and good but until you can treat others with respect I think what you say is crap.
"as I am sure alot of people have little respect for you" come on Ghost, you can tell me personally that you have little respect for me but don't drag everyone else into your opinion.

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I must say that if you are going to use Xler8's definition of powerslide being the same as drifting, then yes I was wrong to say that powersliding was somewhat of an accident. But, I guess I am somewhat with foilman in saying that they are not the same and that powersliding is somewhat of an accident. I picture the trans am cars coming around a flat corner and coming out of the corner the rear end slides out a bit because either they were going too fast or they used too much throttle, I guess that is my semi-definition of a powerslide. To call people "infiantile retards" was a little harsh, and since I was quoted, I was somewhat offended. I am not a professional driver, nor am I a good drifter/racer, but I try. I go out there and give my best shot at drifting, and right now the success rate is low, but slowly rising. I don't think you need to be such an elitist and go calling people names just because of your expanded knowledge/experience that you have.
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Dont have time to read all of ur arguing/flaming but power silde is an accidental power over
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^ Why do so many of you think it has to be an accident? Somebody already said that it's pretty much identical to the power over, so what the f- is the difference? I intentionally power over on some turns, this could also be just as easily called a power slide, so even though I wanted to do that according to you it's an accident due to the technique I wanted to use? What a tool.
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lol accident...ahahah...thats funny...do you know the meaning of accident?...or do you just want to use it because you have nothing else to say?
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