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Old 10-18-2009, 01:36 AM   #1
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Old 10-18-2009, 01:55 AM   #2
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Really a stellar event. Had a lot of fun, some seriously great driving. One of the members at the Irwindale staff lefter the heater on though

Aside from the heat, no real complaints from me.

Oh, and wanted to add, the car show diversity was WAAAAYYYYY better this year than it has been the last few years. It was a nice touch.

Thanks again and hope to see you guys at some sort of world championship again this year.. wink wink nudge nudge
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Old 10-18-2009, 02:14 AM   #3
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thanks DRIFTING.COM! todays event at the speedway was awesome! although the heat seemed unbareable at times i enjoyed myself plenty. it was nice to FINALLY see drifting live, and it did not dissappoint! things got to the knitty gritty for the final rounds! we saw some bumper damage and i was in suspense just about each time i thought a car was getting too close to another. the crowd was jumping,applauding and stomping and it felt great to be part of that.i even took a photo of taka aono and his siiiick corolla! i hope this is the first of many events im to attend. and its safe to say that i finally popped my drift cherry! lol ... once again, THANKS!
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Old 10-18-2009, 02:16 AM   #4
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the only thing i saw as a problem was the reserved seating. alot of people were in the wrong spots and then it became a problem when the stands filled up and people couldnt get any seats.

also, when tickets were first being sold online only the area near the bottom was available and then later after i had already bought my ticket alot of seats opened up at the top which was a seat i wud have rather had.
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Old 10-18-2009, 12:31 PM   #5
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Overall, it was a great event!

- there was a lot of side activities happening throughout the day that kept the crowd busy, a lot more so than at other events this year. Far Eat movement, autographs, need for speed competition, lots of giveaways from all the vendors, a huge car show area, etc...

- The top 16 tandem flowed really really well this time. A lot less downtime between runs than at other events, which was much appreciated.

- Having the majority of the competition after the sun went down also helped.

- We ran on schedule!! yay!

A couple of suggestions for changes:

- I'd like to hear the qualifying scores and speeds more often during qualifying. I feel like I only heard 1 of every 5 runs. I also like to hear what the "bump score" is after the first set of runs. I like keeping track of that stuff on my own while I'm shooting.

- I think the center media position in the middle of the track could have been slightly bigger. I think a lot of media people didn't go there because it was so small (which worked out ok because it wasn't crowded), but it wouldn't have taken much to make it slightly bigger.

- I think Mishimoto passing out glowsticks during Shaun's tribute video was tasteless. They couldn't wait 5 whole minutes?!? I know they're relatively new to this industry and probably didn't have any interaction with Shaun, but that video meant a lot to a lot of people there, and I thought it was very disrespectful.



that's pretty much all. Overall, I thought this year was a GREAT year, and Irwindale was a great way to cap everything off!
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Old 10-18-2009, 01:00 PM   #6
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great event,

everyone who I talked to so far really enjoyed themselves and they would definitely go back next year
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:27 PM   #7
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That was probably the best event I have ever attended. Every aspect of the event was well executed. Most of all, the drifting was awesome. Guys really stepped up their game. I am very impressed with the upcoming talent in Formula D.

btw What is the attendance record for a drifting event? The turnout was HUUUUGGGE.
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:09 PM   #8
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Yes, Slapshot...passing out stuff with everybody standing up and screaming during a tribute or shooting stuff into the crowd with two cars lined up ready to go is really distracting and annoying - maybe official breaks for sponsors to throw/shoot their merchandise into the crowd?

Overall, the event was just spectacular. Thank you Jim, Ryan and the rest of the staff @ FD for really making this one a fun, safe and super exciting event for all.

PS- Cassidy and team out at the red tent will call booth deserve extra special props as I went out to the parking lot a few times during the night and they were their ALL DAY, tending will call requests even up until the very end of the event. Plenty of medical staff, plenty of law enforcement...I saw MANY small children with their families and I thought, "Wow, how cool is this that families can come to an event like this with small children?!" Very cool.
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:17 PM   #9
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Had a great time at Irwindale. I went with my little cousin it was his first drift show and he had a blast. I must admit I didnt expect certain drivers to get far or eliminated early. Walking around checking out the booths was cool and the little car show was tight. I cant complain I had fun overall it was a great event.
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:45 PM   #10
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First and Foremost

Big ups to all the privateers out there giving all they got. You guys are the reason why I show up to these events. Thanks for proving you don't have to have a big budget or allot of sponsors if any to give a good showing.

Tommy Suell
Matt "takes yo" Powers
Mike Essa
Doug D.
Joon Maeng

THANK YOU!!!!

OK, Judging.... damn.... this event probably had the worst calls I seen in 2 years.

JR vs Alex - why no omt?

JR ran that same chase line in 08 and won the event.But now we don't like the effective high low high line? He caught up at the end of the first point and kept a good distance in the inner oval. THERE WAS NO WINNER AT THE END OF THAT BATTLE OMT WAS NEEDED!!!!

Joon vs Sam - Double Spin no one should move on

During there OMT both drivers spun but Sam was given the win due to the fact he had a better line despite the spin. Since when does any run that results in a spin deemed to earn any points. Both drivers had ZEROS and a OMT should have took place. Once again, THERE WERE NO WINNERS IN THAT BATTLE!!!!

I was sitting near a couple who have been attending drift events for just as long as me. But they were not up to date with points race standings. I kinda gave them the run down how essentially fors will clinch it with a top 32 win and everyone from tyler to hampsha were fighting out for second and third. They saw me getting frustrated after JRs loss and Joons loss and the young man tapped me on the shoulder while everyone was booing after Joon vs Sam. The guy asked me with a smirk "is this staged like wwf, or are the judges incompetent like mma?". I shook my head and replied "At this point I have no clue".

Other then that, Thank you Formula D for another amazingly action packed smooth event. J-Rod keep doing your thing on the mic, I like how you encourage the crowd to scream, shout, stomp, cheer and boo. Thank you to irwindale for keep letting us back year after year. And another big thanks too all the sponsors for supporting the series, and all the fans young and old that keep on showing up. Best crowd of quite some time!!

We didn't get all three but 1 and 2 is better then none GO DA/MAXXXXXIIISSSSSS

RIP Shaun, You will be missed
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:20 AM   #11
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Joon vs Sam - Double Spin no one should move on

During there OMT both drivers spun but Sam was given the win due to the fact he had a better line despite the spin. Since when does any run that results in a spin deemed to earn any points. Both drivers had ZEROS and a OMT should have took place. Once again, THERE WERE NO WINNERS IN THAT BATTLE!!!!
Blaze, as a very vocal ambassador to the sport, you should pay more attention or learn more on how judging has progressed this year. The Joone vs. Sam ruling was very clear and without any disagreement from all three judges.

We have two speed guns at two critical locations and we have all drivers practice and qualifying speeds documented throughout the weekend to establish where their average is in both zones. This helps us see more clearly if there was any sandbagging, break checking or more likely, big mess-up's. In the drivers meetings, the drivers are told 5 mph + or - of their average speed in those zones is ok, but anything more than that is going to be taken into consideration. If you noticed when Sam spun it was done because Joone had almost slowed down almost to a stop in front of him on the inner bank. This was double verified by the speed showing a massive reduction Joone's typical speeds in that area and WAY outside the +,- 5 MPH. So in short that spin was not charged to Sam as his fault. Additionally, this was explained clearly on the PA by Tony Angelo

Hope that helps.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:41 AM   #12
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i heard people boo'ing during Shauns tribute video. soooo disrespectful.

also while out by Joons booth, i heard these 2 dudes talkin about taking parts off Tommy Roberts car since he crashed. wtf. like seriously?

spectators often piss me off like that. but overall it was a fun event.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:49 AM   #13
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You have a anouncer saying one thing and a judge saying another.

There were many times during the event J-Rod said the faster driver must be careful and must adjust to a slower drivers line when chasing.

If your logic is correct Matt Powers should had been eliminated in the top 32 because he tapped the wall lost alot of speed in the transition and Eric ended up crashing into the barriers.

If this +/- 5mph rule is now law you guys need to put forth a better effort in enforcing it at all times and also. Like someone else already said, we had no info on speeds, amount of angle or even details about the scores to begin with.

I'm not sitting up here and saying so and so should have won or loss, just saying that there was no real winner in the fans eyes *note the boos*. Me personaly, a spin is a spin unless someone else spins in front of you.

"its the chase drivers job to mirror the lead driver line at all times no matter what"

"the lead car is a moving clipping point for the chaser"

Love you too FD

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:55 PM   #14
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blaze...say no to the drift box. let the judges do the best job they can....
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:12 PM   #15
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blaze...say no to the drift box. let the judges do the best job they can....
hold the eff up lol

Who ever said anything about a drift box!!
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:50 PM   #16
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Maeng and Sams OMT @ 2:20

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Old 10-19-2009, 03:07 PM   #17
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Great event. great competition. Announcers could have explained things a little better. Sponsors and Vendors were awesome !

lol @ drift box.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:33 PM   #18
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First off, I want to say that the event was awesome and the Drift day staff kicked *Censored**Censored**Censored* at arranging the plastic dividers! I loved the battle between Alex Pfeiffer and JR! Classic Chevy vs. Ford. Aside from the heat, I enjoyed the event very much!! Naoki rocked on the track!! Whoo hoo! did anybody else see that dive he took over the cement barriers?!?! it was so cool! i caught up with him after the incident and he showed me the cool scar he got! hahahaha
also, i got a lot of compliments on my drifting.com shirt i was rocking!! i guess it was pretty cool to see a girl wearing the "I like girls who like cars" shirt! haha it was a great experience, it was my first Formula D event but it certainly won't be my last! i also visited the drifting.com booth,and i loved the "sign" you had up, i saw a buncha people sporting the "clutch kick" shirt!
i gotta add that i enjoyed this event a lil more than the D1 event i went to... both were awesome but i loved the audience involvement in this one more, it was great energy all around, i know that not everything was perfect but it WAS pretty damn AWESOME!!
i also enjoyed my $8 hot dog meal VERRRRY much! haha
thank you very much for the ticket! you guys are THEE best!
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:34 PM   #19
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First Of All Thanks Drifting.Com for the Tickets!

Man were do I start!

This was my first Formula D event and it was nuts! I had a blast!!! Both Days!!! It was speechless! It was great being at a event were everyone loves cars and drifting has much as I do!!!Getting to see all those fixed up cars with the pros drifting there cars at high speed and pushing there cars to the limit!

All the booths and stands were awsome!!! Got alot of cool stuff! Thanks to all the sponsors and brands that gave out free stuff! Got my self a Formula D Sweater $45 but, totally worth it! Got some signatures from the pros and the hankook & toyo tires models! They were all great and nice!

The drifting was so great I loved the battles! I really wanted that rx-8 with justin pawlak to rank hire! He was doing great on Sat. But, was kinda off Sunday! Poor Stephan Verdier who crashed his beautifull subaru! And idk the name of the driver but, the yellow 240sx that it's engine got blown and fire/flames were kinda coming outta his car! I talked to him and he said that there were running the 240sx with only just 5 pistons! That was the main reason why the engine blew! If it wasent for that I now they would have made it in the top 5 at least!

My best friend went with me too! It was his first time also! He went nuts too! I think he got crazier then me and had a blast! I was the one who got him into going! But, if it wasent for him I would have not gone cause he's the one who drove us there! Good thing he still got to buy tickets online before they got sold out! He got so obssessed he got a used tire from verdiers rx-8 and got it signed by him and three other pros! I was laughing at him cause he was carrying this 20' tire that weight a ton all across the event to his car! Over all we had a amazing time and can't wait to to Formula D Long Beach next year! Were never missing an event anymore! We blew all our money but, totally worth it!

The only bad was the wait for the King Tacos! We almost missed the top 16 Drifting but, managed to get there before it started! We were running!!!
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i heard people boo'ing during Shauns tribute video. soooo disrespectful.

also while out by Joons booth, i heard these 2 dudes talkin about taking parts off Tommy Roberts car since he crashed. wtf. like seriously?

spectators often piss me off like that. but overall it was a fun event.


who the *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* was booing????? thats *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* *Censored**Censored**Censored*

i am very upset at the lack of respect during shauns tribute. mishimoto and america s tire. that is completely disrespectful and in poor taste.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:02 PM   #21
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You have a anouncer saying one thing and a judge saying another.

There were many times during the event J-Rod said the faster driver must be careful and must adjust to a slower drivers line when chasing.

If your logic is correct Matt Powers should had been eliminated in the top 32 because he tapped the wall lost alot of speed in the transition and Eric ended up crashing into the barriers.

If this +/- 5mph rule is now law you guys need to put forth a better effort in enforcing it at all times and also. Like someone else already said, we had no info on speeds, amount of angle or even details about the scores to begin with.

I'm not sitting up here and saying so and so should have won or loss, just saying that there was no real winner in the fans eyes *note the boos*. Me personaly, a spin is a spin unless someone else spins in front of you.

"its the chase drivers job to mirror the lead driver line at all times no matter what"

"the lead car is a moving clipping point for the chaser"
yes, you are correct, more information vocally is very important. The judging criteria is in the event guide, but I can see how if you didn't hear, that would be confusing. I think Jarod does a good job on explaining results and he also gives the mic to Judges to give words on win's, losses, etc, but if you didn't hear it especially in the case of Joone/Sam then I guess that is not good enough, so point taken.

FYI, the +,- 5MPH is always taken into consideration at the points that the speed is being measured. That's the key. There are two specific points, but remember that there is a big difference on qualifying and head to head aspects of competition. The judges are judging the pair against each other so speed only plays a roll in the outcome, not the entirety. Either way, you're right. If it is not clear to you, it needs to be better.

Also, people boo for lots of reasons. Not just because they we're unclear on the results. People boo if they don't like something. They boo if their popular driver lost in a close match. The boo if they feel a driver did something intentionally inappropriate, etc.

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FD,

I have read alot of info guides (not the one provided at irwindale though), and have a copy of the 07 08 09 pdf rule books. And this is my first time hearing about this rule being inforced like this, it seems very logical. But as you see it very open to scrutiny.

There has to be a better way to enforce some of these nitpicky rules. Maybe aside from the 3 judges you have in a tower. You guys should have a few zone judges. One for critically judged clipping points and another for the speed zones you speak of. Give them a flag and a walky. Wave the flag to let everyone know something wasn't done right and communicate to the judges for a better judgment.

If not, this rule is kinda like a holding call in the NFL. It happens all the time but only called every once in a bit. And when its called in a crucial moment one side is going to be very very angry. Fourth quarter offense driving down the field, your team or not WE ALL HATE THIS CALL!!! LOL, This can also result in some dishonest behavior in competitors.

Sorta like NBA guys flipin and floppin with offensive foul calls, a little contact these guys fall on there back. "Your gonna slow down and correct in front of me, well I'm going to spin because the judges will just give me the win after that".

A call like this can be overcame on the football field or the basketball court. But can be day ending or in this case season ending consequences for a competitor in this sport. A OMT can provide a true winner and a more face time for the driver win or lose.


See what I mean?

I prefer Vaughn's strategy of just ramming the hell out of guys who ride their brakes. lol

Better educate the fan, and provide better reinsurance for the drivers to build their confidence in the sanctioning body they compete in.

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Yup, all that stuff you mentioned happens. Andy Yen, who is the speed judge has two speed guys controlling the speed guns and communicating with him after every lap of a head to head via walkie. So yes, we do that and they know exactly what is going on and it gives the judges real data to make decisions.

Another example of this was Ueo vs. Tuerck in LV. What appears to have been a clear case of Tuerk hitting Ueo because he was too aggressive was really a case of the lead car (Ueo) coming in over 12 MPH slower than his typical entry speeds and Ryan who has access like everyone to entry speeds was anticipating Ueo to be around his typical speed, hit him. The judges were able to ascertain that something went amiss with Ueo and did not award fault to Tuerk.
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Yup, all that stuff you mentioned happens. Andy Yen, who is the speed judge has two speed guys controlling the speed guns and communicating with him after every lap of a head to head via walkie. So yes, we do that and they know exactly what is going on and it gives the judges real data to make decisions.
Maybe you don't quite understand what I am getting to. Let me requote my self lol.

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Wave the flag to let everyone know something wasn't done right and communicate to the judges for a better judgment.
The fans have no idea who those speed gun holders are and where they are on the track. And they also need to know what just happened before the judges give there verdict.

Come to think about it another sanctioning body did this in the past but I would really hate to bring that up because I'm all about improving our series not glorifying theirs.


When it comes to Ueo vs Ryan in vegas, Yea, I was there right next to the spotters tower.Ueo did slow down alot too adjust his line... it happened. But Ryan also had a large drop in speed in the OMT going into the inner clip which caused contact.... Ryan moved on, fans booed, driftspeed protested.

All I want is more clarification and consistency when it comes to these sort of situations.

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When it comes to Ueo vs Ryan in vegas, Yea, I was there right next to the spotters tower.Ueo did slow down alot too adjust his line... it happened. But Ryan also had a large drop in speed in the OMT going into the inner clip which caused contact.... Ryan moved on, fans booed, driftspeed protested.
Ya, I'm not talking about the entirety of the battle just an instance where this speed element has made things clear for us. Seeing speed decrease visually is not as good as actually seeing it factually on a gun. In many cases it helps judges especially on parts of the track that are harder to view from the judges stand.

Funny story: You actually come up in our staff meetings. We jokingly say, "well if blaze1 is happy, then I think everyone will be."

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