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Old 02-13-2004, 10:16 AM   #76
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jzx90 chaser
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:32 PM   #77
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Heh you couldn't get that 4 door behemoth around some of the curves where I am at. Some of them I have to run at 35 to 40 MPH and in my FD. One after another after another, it's freaking crazy man. 318 curves in 11 miles. Nothing in the states curvier.

I think the GTI-R would be a sweet car. I have always wanted one. Also the Renault R5 would be hell too.
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Old 02-14-2004, 10:59 AM   #78
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you must be doped up yo.the jzx90 is the shite it would smoke a pulsar and murder the curves with ease those 4 doors would be carbon.
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Old 02-14-2004, 11:06 AM   #79
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I like that Mazda 323 Ghost. It looks nice. would have liked to do that to my ex-Escort. Don't think I'm just being stupid. You can do anything if you put your mind to it... like make a Ford Escort a killer car.
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Old 02-14-2004, 11:38 AM   #80
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i am not sure about your 4 door car man... now granted i have no touge experince but from the roads i have seen in videos i think weight would be less of a problem then just all around size... some of those corners are hella tight i just don't know if a big 4 door would have room to manuver... as for smoking the pulsar... who can say i mean with enough money you can do pretty much anything but i find it hard to believe that any 4 door that big is gonna beat a small 2 door hatch with AWD and all that i just don't think you could make it nimble enough


as for making the escort bad *Censored**Censored**Censored*.... i am pretty sure the 1.8L BPT from the mazda 323 GTR can fit... it makes 230bhp stock so i am sure there is room for improvement.... if your really interested check out www.corksport.com ... if money is no object i suppose could just convert it to a escort cosworth.... but it would be easier just to buy one....and cheaper too...
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Old 02-14-2004, 12:23 PM   #81
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im sorry this is off subject but whats the differnence between the U.S. 323 and the Jspec 323
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Old 02-14-2004, 12:36 PM   #82
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as far as i can tell from searching the 323 mailing lists i am on there was no real difference beyond engine performance i believe the JDM 323 GTX made 180 while oem made 130.... but i only know about the GTX model

i do know that after 1989 mazda did not offer any AWD 323s in america while in japan and other countries they offered both the GTX (B6T 1.6L turbo) and GTR (BPT 1.8L turbo) which made 180 and 230 bhp respectively

as for any other differences i will ask around and come up with more
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Old 02-14-2004, 12:41 PM   #83
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dunno.....

a cosworth 3 door
but i forget what they have for it
definately a 300hp with engine mods
and some good coilovers i wish u could put some gp-sports suspension on em im not sure
a holinger six-speed squential and a quaife lsd
and a purple seed wing just for kicks (i have never seen this wing)
kinda like the RaW azz cozzie in a racing vid i saw with some skylines and fairlaidies
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Old 02-14-2004, 01:05 PM   #84
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having never actually driven on the touge and not having much in the way of twisty lighty used roads in my area i can only think that what you would be looking for is some thing with great response very little weight and a controlable amount of power and in keeping with my penchant for out of the ordinary cars i would have to say that any of the lotus 7 replicas are probobaly going to do really well...

especilly the catherham super 7 blackbird

RWD

170bhp from a CBR1100XX Blackbird motor

curb weight: 430kg or 947.7lb

this car makes 395bhp per tonne

the sportbike powerplant has is gonna be VERY responsive and have a ridiculous redline like 10k+ which is gonna give you plenty of powerband to work with couple all that with a very low center of gravity and some really sticky tires and i think it would be pretty unbeatable

now keep in mind i have never driven a touge nor a super 7 blackbird all information was derived from

Top Gear Road Tests

feel free to abuse me as a poser... i am just throwing these things out there as an idea because i am bored on a saturday afternoon

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Old 02-14-2004, 04:42 PM   #85
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hey like you said anything is possible with funds.a chaser could be built for touge and can reign supreme,also it has to do with driver on the pulsar. and what are you talking about when you say 4 doors cant take corners especially tight ones, ever seen a rally? tons of 4 door bro.i would just throw on a turbo that spools like a fkn banshee at around 34 hun rpm and then that little awd pulsar will fell the rath of the chaser around those corners.
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Old 02-14-2004, 05:24 PM   #86
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yeah i love rally watch it all the time... but there is distinct difference between an evo or a WRX which is compact four door and a luxury car... the evo wrx and even the lancia were purpose built for WRC and then released to the public to meet FIA requirements... unless i am greatly mistaken the jzx90 is not designed for racing... :: shrug:: but then this thread isn't supposed to be all rooted entirely in reality.... the only way to figure out this argument would be to go out to the actual roads and compete and as much as i would like to i just don't have that kinda cash... but i still stand by my statement that the best car for the twisty bits is gonna be light with a short wheel base very responsive on the throttle and in my mind AWD tho i think any platform would probobaly work well with the right driver

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Old 02-14-2004, 11:25 PM   #87
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1997 WRX 2-door type-R STi

JUN v-mount

R/H CP035 17x7, 17x8
hoosiers

stripped interior
one Brix II, one harness
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I would still get OWN3D Im sure...
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Old 02-15-2004, 11:05 AM   #88
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how about they all work good.i would just like to lighten up a chaser,trow out the toe angle slightly and wheelbase dont matter,especially if the car has good turning radius,a pulsar could go in a corner fast but the chaser would screm through at the end of that corner,there both capable,no argueing just drifting here,this pic is for the nismo inside dude.
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Old 03-10-2004, 04:16 AM   #89
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I honestly would say the s15 would be my favorite Touge car.
I've driven the Touge with my previous car which was a 2000 R34 Skyline. The skyline was way to big often times it felt like I had to much skyline for the little *Censored**Censored**Censored* roads out there.
My S15 now is tuned pretty well for the touge but its got a little to much power, gets dangerous.
The link arms and bushings are probably one of the best modification I've done.

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Old 03-10-2004, 07:25 AM   #90
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Old 03-10-2004, 08:08 AM   #91
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This would be my ultimate Touge car...
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Old 03-10-2004, 09:39 AM   #92
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hmmm... 50k eh?
this is going to be fun...
ok lets start with tthe engine:

CA18DET that i hand picked from Japan with the plane ticket i bought over there(itll be about the same price..haha and the ticket is just because i got 50k)

now engine..
-Tomei CA20 Crankshaft
-TomeI CA20 Con Rod
-Tomei CA20 Piston Set
-TOmei CA20 Private Flywheel
-Custom equal length exhaust manifold with v-band
-Custom downpipe 3" with side exit straight pipe
-GT25R .64 A/R
-TRUST R-SPL intercooler
-upgraded radiator
-upgraded oil pump
-OS Giken TS2BD Clutch
-680cc injectors
-PowerFC D-jetro or haltech E11 with GM 3 Bar map
-Tomei B Spec valves
-Tomei Step 2 264/272 camshafts
-Tomei retainers
-Tomei valves
-1mm head gasket
-intake manifold
-twin fuel pump 290lph
-HKS SSQV blow off valve

Suspension:
Cusco
- Adjustable Rear Upper Arm
- Adjustable Front Upper Arm
-28mm front sway bar
-18mm rear sway bar
-Tension rods
-OS Rear Strut Bar
-front lower radius bar
-40D front bar
-TC arm
JIC
-FLTA2 Coilovers
-rear traction rods

Cusco RS 2 way LSD

URAS V-System 180 aero minus front bumper
URAS Type IV S-14 front bumper
custom FRP 20mm widefenders for s14 front end conversion
custom cowl induction c/f hood for conversion
Wise sports 30mm rear widefenders

interior:
full 7point cage
BRIDE ZETAII,CFRP (im not too extravagent right)
gutted from back of front seat.
misc gauges
Apex S-AFC
Apex AVC-R
Apex turbo timer

R32 5 lug conversion
endless upgrades

R32 GT-R Wheels out back
R34 GT-R wheels up front
Bridgestone Potenza rubber all the way around in 225/40 up front
and 225/55 out back

a couple more little goodies that i cant tell you guys about...

ok maybe i went over the limit but be on the lookout... you might actually see this roloin around the events in about 2 years the project is already underweigh
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Old 03-10-2004, 09:53 AM   #93
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s13, s14, or ae86.

Change the interior and add a turbo in it.
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Old 03-10-2004, 06:24 PM   #94
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My kouki ae86 will be for togue. I plan on taking it to the DRAGON'S TAIL when its done. Anyway heres the setup. (items with a "*" I already have.)

BRAKES
*Rotora slotted rotors front/rear
*Project Mu B-Force pads Front/Rear
*Goodridge brakeline kit

INTERIOR
*Pivot small red auto shift lamp
*5Zigen starter button steering wheel
C's short shift kit
Tom's white shiftknob
Tom's/Sparco aluminum pedals
Bride Revs black g logo seat
Sabelt Professional 4 Point Harness

SUSPENSION/HANDLING
Kei Office ERFOLGKEI Type-ST coilover setup
Cusco Type-OS front strutbar
Cusco Type-OS rear strutbar with Type-OS-T bar
Volk TE37 14x6.5" wheels
Yokohama AVS ES100 205/60-14HR tires

ENGINE
JDM or USDM AE86 4AG engine with 60,000Km or less
HKS Super Power Flow intake kit
Apex GT Spec Header
Blitz Realize TT exhaust system
Toda 1,627cc competition engine kit

Exterior
*none

and ofcourse all the misc. stuff like bushings, mounts, fluids, etc.
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Old 03-10-2004, 08:43 PM   #95
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i think a na would do better,no boost just raw power
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Old 03-11-2004, 12:50 AM   #96
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What would I use for a touge car? This...


A buddy of mine owns it, he started his own Mini tuning company called M7 speed. He has a ton of mods and track/canyon experience and he has beaten lots of other cars with his mini

His Mods are:

-Wheels volk CE28 dark bronze with Toyo R1 tires
-M7 Titanium Ceramic brake system with 6 piston calipers
-Leda Racing Coilovers with titanium springs and outboard gas cannisters 584 adjustment points.
-Stack Racing gauge panel with digital read out.
-Chrome moly front controll arms with Delrin and self lube bronze bushings.
-Steering rack controll bushing.
-M7 rear CNC machined controll arms.
-Front/rear H-sport swaybar system.
-M7 exhaust with E.V.E.S system
-M7 Plasma Booster.
-Ported and polished head.
-Schrick cam.
-M7 supercharger system sqrew type.
-Venom VCN 2000 computerized nitrous system.
-M7 Oil cooler system, water to oill used in WRC.
-M7 Light weight flywheel incredible quality..the best
-Quaife LSD.
-B&M short shifter.
-Fiberglass hood
-Carbon fiber dual plane rear wing
-Air to water intercooler system integrated with Intake manifold.
-Larger injectors 520cc
-New billet fuel rail and regulator
-New in tank fuel pump
-New header and cat
-61mm throttle body

He beat a WRX STI in the canyons here in so cal, then the STI driver challenged him to race at the track. So on March 28th the mini and sti will dook it out at Willow Springs
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Old 03-11-2004, 08:14 AM   #97
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I would pick a..............

100% REAL Nissan Sil-Eighty.

Too lazy to list the mods.
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:26 AM   #98
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Lol I just got around to reading your post Nrgdrft. You must be the one on the dope Mr. You ever been to the place I am talking about? That Chaser wouldn't cut it man. Not coming down on the Chaser cause it's a super competant car but we ain't talking curves like the flat ones you used to down in Savannah. We talking curves that very few bike riders can take over 50 mph. You need to take a trip up there if you haven't been and check the scene out. You'd realize then that the Chaser would be out of its element. A Pulsar would murder it up there. Anything light, fast and nimble would take it out. It's just too tight. I'll give you an example, watch Best motoring and the Evo empire VS the RWD guys. Thats a nice Touge, long sweeping curves and some pretty nice tight ones. Now multiply that by like 30. This place has 318 curves in 11 miles and they are right on top of each other and most of them are 180 degree turns or more. Some have banks in them and they switch over in mid curve completely unloading the suspension and can sling even the stickiest of cars around. The Chaser just isn't built for that stuff. Just like the Chaser isn't really built for Rally. Just too big, No matter what weight you take off or carbon parts you stick on it, it ain't gonna cut it.


As for the Dragon, it really isn't that fun of a place to run. Reason I say that is it is just too freaking tight and nasty. You really can't take time to enjoy it cause you have to keep 150% of your concentration on what is coming. I haven't seen much that even comes close to it. That video in the "wrong way to Touge" thread was not even close to the Dragons curvage. All it takes up there is one small iota of a mistake and you are toast. The good thing about the Dragon is that if you can keep it together and work it, it will make you feel like a god when you are through. The curves are so fast and so continuous that about halfway through you are flat worn out, especially if you have no power steering. Mentally it is draining. That car is just too big to hang up there with a smaller, lighter, AWD one. It would wear you completely out. The driver makes up for a lot, I grant you that but there is only so much a driver can do before the car hampers him and that Chaser would hamper someone up where I run. Because that is what I am basing this on, what I know. And what I know is, where I run, that Chaser would be in the trees or in the mud on the side of the mountain trying to keep up with me. It's just too big.

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Old 03-11-2004, 10:38 AM   #99
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the Ford Focus RS not to be confused w/ the Focus RS8(the american rwd focus w/ the cramer engine).
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