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Old 07-25-2004, 10:23 PM   #26
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Old 07-27-2004, 09:31 AM   #27
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Screw all that expensive stuff! Get some springs to drop your ride height, find a parking lot that is wide open and let loose! If you've never drifted then you have no preferences. The sooner you start sliding around, the sooner you'll have some idea of what you want. You might even go to used car dealerships to test other setups.
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Old 07-27-2004, 10:35 AM   #28
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Scirocco- Your post is really hard to read. You might want to invest more time in more concise posts. Adaptation is one of the key parts of being a driver, and if you start with a crappy suspension and then go to a good suspension, you'll find that many aspects of drifting get easier. Why you mentioned brake bias is beyond me... a beginner would not need to mess with it.

Canon-You don't just change your springs.
The shocks must be upgraded along with the springs.

I'm all for learning to drift on stock suspension... and I would've done it had my car come stock.
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Old 07-27-2004, 11:13 AM   #29
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I also have to agree about not upgrading your car right away. There was a situation earlier in another thread where a gentlemen couldnt get his S13 to oversteer so he rushed right out and bought a coilover suspension setup. And surprise surprise, it didnt help him.

Honestly i started on a 140k mile chassis automatic open differential S13, and i could get the thing to oversteer at wheel with out touching the handbrake. It wasnt upgraded hardware it was just practice. People complain that the open diff makes the car snap back hard, there right, how was i able to make several connected smooth drifts? practice! so much practice lol..

I've gotten beyond that and am building a better setup now. However it is my personal theory that starting on a crummier platform builds the driver. And only when the car is holding back the driver (and honestly i probably had abit more to go) i think one hould upgrade the car.

However that is only my theory. The only way i can prove it is by getting better and proving it on the track which i plan to do.

But theres a very practical reason for leaving the car mostly stock, especialy a S13 or something else that drifts well. if you wanted to drift a pickup or something else thats not known for its drifting ability you may want to talk about making some small changes. However the practical reason for keeping it stock until your better is simply because most the newbies dont know how to tune or set an adjustable coilover system. Or know how to use a large high horse power setup that perhaps has some lag to it. Or understand how to keep a 2 way differential under control.

Honestly S13s are good drift platforms, they dont need anythign done to get them sideways. You may not be winning the D1 with a stock setup but then again, you wont win the D1 if your knew anyways. And im reminded of what a 'friend' (grin) of mine said in another thread about the S13 understeering. he said something along the lines (not exact) "Funny how before the drift bible got its english translation the S13 wasnt known for bad understeering"

So practice practice practice if you still cant get better come back and ask us. We will help, then practice practice practice.

And if practicing for a long time on a stock suspension screws you up, or is unuseful when you upgrade your suspension. then what are you going to do if it rains? or your drifting on a different surface. Or you need a new car? The fact is practicing with semi stock setups teaches you the basics i believe.

Okay this is too long now so i shall end it.
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Old 07-27-2004, 06:34 PM   #30
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Maybe this deserves it's own thread, but i fel it's in line with the current thread so here goes.

I've been driving illegally since I was 14, I went out last year and Finally got a license at age 32 so I could finally not have to worry about running from the law anymore.

I've got a 89 S13 with a cracked head and well over 328000 miles on the engine and a gauge cluster thats dead, but the rest of the car seems to be in perfect condition, no rust anywhere (underside, floorpans, trunk, it's clean), struts are not leaking and provide good rebound. This will be my only car. The only driving I do is to the grocery store and for enjoyment.

Tomarrow I get 10g's to play with and i'm getting the last minute heeby-jeebies. I had planed to go out and get a SR20 upgrade from Mid-Altantic Motorsports ($5500 for professional swap including electronics, side IC and exhaust). The current engine isn't really worth investing in a rebuild. I don't see the sense in paying for even a used KA24-E and new gauge cluster ($1450 for a junk yard motor plus professional install), when i'll just want to replace it again with a SR20 within a year. Also it may be stupid, but I do want to put a body kit on it and ducted projector headlights because I hate flip-ups in the winter and the stock bumper is torn to where it will present problems with the one-time state vehicle inspection.

After reading this article, I'm wondering if I'm even going the right direction. I must ask, what is the consesus in my situation? I've driven the car a little but i can't get more then a mile or so before heat causes head expansion and I lose all compression. but I am experienced with high speed driving and have owned quite a few cars that want to naturally fishtail.
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Scirocco- Your post is really hard to read. You might want to invest more time in more concise posts. Adaptation is one of the key parts of being a driver, and if you start with a crappy suspension and then go to a good suspension, you'll find that many aspects of drifting get easier. Why you mentioned brake bias is beyond me... a beginner would not need to mess with it.

Canon-You don't just change your springs.
The shocks must be upgraded along with the springs.

I'm all for learning to drift on stock suspension... and I would've done it had my car come stock.
actually i was just talking about the way i did it since i knew i would change the suspension anyways so i thought i would do it soon before i started drifting and it worked quite well for me
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