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Old 06-29-2008, 11:51 AM   #1
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FORMULA D Rule Changes...

Anyone wonder if they say....favor one certain manufacturers car that is just coming into the series, and say might hurt one certain blue sponsored by a major Japanese companies car ?
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:52 PM   #2
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Anyone wonder if they say....favor one certain manufacturers car that is just coming into the series, and say might hurt one certain blue sponsored by a major Japanese companies car ?
This should be interesting.

Could you please elaborate sir?
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Old 06-29-2008, 04:55 PM   #3
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I am just going off some info from a friend. Saying that a certain car is having a hard time , and probably not going to be allowed to compete in Vegas. Even though (because ?) they are top 10 in points.
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Old 06-29-2008, 07:06 PM   #4
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i wonder if sa-drift is reading this and what they have to say.
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Pontiac vs. Autobacs
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Old 06-29-2008, 07:56 PM   #6
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i hear they are still going thru the process of leagilizing the car per formula D rules...i think the skyline is fine

the sky/tc on the other hand....

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Old 06-29-2008, 08:43 PM   #7
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i hear they are still going thru the process of leagilizing the car per formula D rules...i think the skyline is fine

the sky/tc on the other hand....

WTF??

what more needs to be done?

has a spec cage... at the end of day isn't that all you need... and a inside and outside fuel cut?

how hard can it get

Sky and the Sol, they are fair game in my book... and you have to take a lot into consideration in hampshas case. That car is still kinda stock when it comes to the motor. Putting out far less then Rhys's and Falkens chassis.

TC... they have gotten more then enough lea-way in my eyes. And the car still doesent perform its moneys worth. Not even a threat in my eyes, kengushi is supposed to be the future.... the future is looking kinda bad.
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The problem, from what I hear is the front suspension on the Skyline. It is a little different to get some more angle out of the front. Its the same "type" of suspension, but I think thats where some of the problems are.

There were some complaints from some people. Sorry about all the ambiguity ...names changed to protect the innocent.


From what I hear right now, the car can not run in Las Vegas. Thats what I hear from people in the know.

The way the Formula D rules are written, they cover themselves to "allow" what they want. You can get anything "pre-approved". However there is no list of "pre-approvals". When we ran in World Challenge, there was a list of changes/ modifications that were allowed to the cars to make them competitive. Formula D has nothing like that I see in place.

There are plenty of cars in Formula D with suspension changes and modifications. How many of them are "pre-approved", and how many of them are a nod and a wink... well thats between the chief steward and the teams.

I know that many of a certain type of Nissan have some pickup point modifications on a rear aluminum subframe.
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Old 06-29-2008, 09:46 PM   #9
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TC... they have gotten more then enough lea-way in my eyes. And the car still doesent perform its moneys worth. Not even a threat in my eyes, kengushi is supposed to be the future.... the future is looking kinda bad.
When a car is not competitive, no one notices. However, come in , finish in the top 5 , and hear the screams from coast to coast....
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i wonder if sa-drift is reading this and what they have to say.
I'm more than certain that sa-drift is reading everything they can read with all this...
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i hear they are still going thru the process of leagilizing the car per formula D rules...i think the skyline is fine

the sky/tc on the other hand....
The Skyline is NOT fine...I'm not asking, I'm informing.
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So what "illegal" mod's did they do to the suspension?

Why do I have a feeling that Autobacs wont be back next year
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So what "illegal" mod's did they do to the suspension?

Why do I have a feeling that Autobacs wont be back next year
Attention is being brought to Rule section 8.3.1 of the currently available Formula D rule book. It's online, way at the bottom under General Forms on their website. I'm afraid that Autobacs may not be back, and not only that, but will also be very vocal about why they weren't allowed to race in the only "professional" US series involving drifting.

So...with the mere idea of Autobacs not being able to come out to play, does anyone think that this will negatively impact the growth of drifting in the USA?
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Nothing too crazy in the front. I think the new Import Tuner mentions the mods to the car. Its not tube frame. Its not going from a leaf to IRS or anything weird like that.

Its not a front wheel drive car , converted to rear wheel drive. Somehow OK for the series based on a car that no one in the US has ever seen up close.

Thats what happens when money gets into the mix.
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Attention is being brought to Rule section 8.3.1 of the currently available Formula D rule book. It's online, way at the bottom under General Forms on their website. I'm afraid that Autobacs may not be back, and not only that, but will also be very vocal about why they weren't allowed to race in the only "professional" US series involving drifting.

So...with the mere idea of Autobacs not being able to come out to play, does anyone think that this will negatively impact the growth of drifting in the USA?
I'm really hoping that Formula D doesn't let this happen.

However even if they fix this..maybe the damage will already be done as far as Autobacs goes.

Which sucks..because the symbolism of Autobacs is really cool
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I'm really hoping that Formula D doesn't let this happen.

However even if they fix this..maybe the damage will already be done as far as Autobacs goes.

Which sucks..because the symbolism of Autobacs is really cool
Formula D already let it happen...okay, so now what.
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Formula D already let it happen...okay, so now what.
I feel pretty confident that they'll change their minds...or give Autobacs a loop-hole to go through.

Situations like this always seem to be pretty dynamic and fluid...one second its gonna be like this and then the next it all changes.

And even if they do hold their ground..Im sure once they have all the negative feedback after vegas they'll do whatever it is they feel they need to do to appease to Autobacs.

I don't think they would let this simple rule drive out a team...at least I hope not.
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There is a system in place in Formula D rules to allow them to allow or disallow any car based on "pre-approval".

There is no public list of "pre-approvals", so no way to know if things like altered rear pickup points in a 350Z are approved, or suddenly "will" be approved when people stick their noses in.

8.1.1.5 Vehicles that do not meet the above eligibility criteria must petition for Approval from Formula Drift.

8.3.1 The basic OEM suspension design must remain. Any changes to design type suspension must be preaproved by Formula Drift.

8.3.3 Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by Formula Drift.

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I feel pretty confident that they'll change their minds...or give Autobacs a loop-hole to go through.

Situations like this always seem to be pretty dynamic and fluid...one second its gonna be like this and then the next it all changes.

And even if they do hold their ground..Im sure once they have all the negative feedback after vegas they'll do whatever it is they feel they need to do to appease to Autobacs.

I don't think they would let this simple rule drive out a team...at least I hope not.
A "sanctioning body" of a "professional nature" rarely goes and makes a final decision and then goes and nullifies it later. If in case this does happen, dramatic changes within that organization usually follows.

It's been said that the modifications done to the Autobacs car is merely a glimpse into the future. It has also been said that whatever modifications have been done to the Autobacs car doesn't clearly make them into a dominating force. The Autobacs car has only come to 2nd place at the Atlanta, GA event, and then lost like a normal competitor in Long Beach, and at Englishtown.

I have always said that sanctioning bodies tend to focus more on making spectators and sponsors happy, and easily forget that without competitors, there are no such thing as spectators, and without spectators, there are no sponsors.
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I don't think they would let this simple rule drive out a team...at least I hope not.
Its all a matter of approvals and pre approvals. About showing up to the first event with a car that was built in a month. Maybe some mis-interpretation of rules. Some English to Japanese issues.

I think that this situation was not handled correctly by any of the parties involved so far.
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There is a system in place in Formula D rules to allow them to allow or disallow any car based on "pre-approval".

There is no public list of "pre-approvals", so no way to know if things like altered rear pickup points in a 350Z are approved, or suddenly "will" be approved when people stick their noses in.

8.1.1.5 Vehicles that do not meet the above eligibility criteria must petition for Approval from Formula Drift.

8.3.1 The basic OEM suspension design must remain. Any changes to design type suspension must be preaproved by Formula Drift.

8.3.3 Modified or aftermarket suspension parts are only allowed if pre-approved by Formula Drift.
...not to mention

1.5.4 FORMULA DRIFT reserves the right to amend, or modify, the rules at any time (including
individual series regulations and supplementary regulations) via Supplementary
Regulations, Meetings, Tech Bulletins, Competitor Bulletins, Drift Competition Memos, or
other medium.

1.5.5 The English text of these regulations will be used should any dispute arise regarding their
interpretation. The final authority shall be the printed version of this text, plus bulletins,
memos and/or supplementary regulations.

ANY car can suddenly just be legal, or illegal...am I reading this wrong?
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They pushed the power rack back 6 inches and they welded the knuckles

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All jokes aside, Formula D just isn't strong enough for a driver like takatori to dominate in there series.

Why: hes a non english speaking driver from japan, his main sponsor is based in japan. His victory will only raise questions about the credibility of the sport in states. He will not represent formula d in a good way.

Journalist - So who is your series champion this year"
FD - "M.Takatori"
Journalist - "Who is he?"
FD - "A driver from japan sponsored by super autobacs"
Journalist - " What is a autobacs" lol

Now a response to a champion like Sam, Tanner, Rhys, or even Fors

Is this takatoris/sa driftings fault? Nope, hes a great driver and deserves way better then this. I think the team came to the states in hopes of getting away from the biased drama in formula D. Just to get stuck in this debacle... maybe they should try driving in europe or ausfailia.

So all tied up, FD isn't ready for a unknown driver with unknown sponsors to succeed in they're series.

Just my opinion though
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Its all a matter of approvals and pre approvals. About showing up to the first event with a car that was built in a month. Maybe some mis-interpretation of rules. Some English to Japanese issues.

I think that this situation was not handled correctly by any of the parties involved so far.
Agreed....but now things have been set into motion, and a "decision" was made. So now what?
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So all tied up, FD isn't ready for a unknown driver with unknown sponsors to succeed in they're series.

Just my opinion though
So what you are saying is...that its ok for them to limit one car over another based solely on popularity and sponsors ?

Serious ?

Only the popular drivers "can" win ?

Only the big sponsors cars "can" win ?

How ridiculous of an argument is that in a supposed "professional" series ?

Lets just call it Formula - "bring us the most sponsor money to pad our pockets".
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So what you are saying is...that its ok for them to limit one car over another based solely on popularity and sponsors ?

Serious ?

Only the popular drivers "can" win ?

Only the big sponsors cars "can" win ?

How ridiculous of an argument is that in a supposed "professional" series ?

Lets just call it Formula - "bring us the most sponsor money to pad our pockets".
Did i say i agree with this?


I'm really waiting for someone to post up some all star bash pics lol.
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