$100 Hydro Ebrake how to.

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-24-2005, 04:42 PM

Ok guys i allways wanted a hydro ebrake for my s14.5 but i never got around to it. Heres some somewhat detailed instructions on the setup. It is really easy, and only takes about an hour.

First call up CNCbrakes.com and order the "staging brake" for disc brakes. $95

Then find a mounting point.

Then make a mounting bracket.

Mount it up.

Now find the hard line that goes to your rear brakes.

Dissconect the line from the rear, and bend it up to the front of the staging brake. Now go to auto zone and buy a 5ft hard brake line. Hook this up to the rear brake valve, and bend the other end up to the exit of the staging brake.

Bleed the system and you are done. Total cost $100. Gangster value: Priceless.

blargonator · 10-24-2005, 04:55 PM

kablaam! http://cncbrakes.com/cncbrakes.com-a...412&subseries=
but anyways, quick question. why not the handbrake instead of the staging brake?

sukimoto · 10-24-2005, 04:56 PM

thanks for the writeup i was actually about to buy one

FD3S_pilot · 10-24-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Motdyn-Ls1fd

ahhh terrorist...j/k lol...

good write-up
i didn't think this set-up was that easy.
thumbs up seven up for good tech write up

Piner · 10-24-2005, 05:10 PM

am I missing something?? but what do you do about the brake line going to rear from before to you cap it off crimp and weld it?? so you dont lose pressure in your regular brakes?

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-24-2005, 05:50 PM

You dont cap off the rear brake line. Just imagine it this way.

master cyl-------brakeline----stagingbrake--------rear brakes.----=====

The staging brake just goes in line.

from the master cyl, to the staging brake, to the rear wheels.

:::: The reason you dont use the cnc ebrake is because the staging brake doesnt req its own resovor. It simply goes in line and pushes the fluid that is stored in the line to actuate the rear brakes.

Also if you were to use the ebrake you would need a seperate input on your calipers, because if you hook up the ebrake to your reg brake line it will affect pedal feel and proportioning.

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-24-2005, 05:52 PM

This is if you were running it to the front brakes. just imagine it saying to rear brakes instead.

CrazyHawaiian · 10-24-2005, 09:53 PM

Wow thanks for posting this. I did some research and got a parts list for my own setup but it was so much more complicated than this. This is definately the best way to go since you dont require another reservoir (as you said) nor do you need a second rear caliper (which requires custom backing plates). This method is 100x easier and cheaper. You rule.

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-24-2005, 10:04 PM

yaay for easy stuff. We rule. jk.

I hope that more people would post up stuff that they have learnd the hard way. It makes it so much better for everyone else.

aaronlosey · 10-25-2005, 01:31 PM

thanks for writing up some tech stuff.

have you drifted on this setup yet? how does it affect brake feel and consistancy under your foot while the hand is braking as well? i would imagine as you use your hand brake it would change the feel on the foot pedal, making your braking kinda erradic. is this true?

go drift it and tell us!

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-25-2005, 03:59 PM

Al lagura uses one and says its not a problem.

We will see.

brainfood · 10-29-2005, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronlosey

thanks for writing up some tech stuff.

have you drifted on this setup yet? how does it affect brake feel and consistancy under your foot while the hand is braking as well? i would imagine as you use your hand brake it would change the feel on the foot pedal, making your braking kinda erradic. is this true?

go drift it and tell us!

The regular cable opperated hand brake affects pedal feel when you are on the brakes and the hand brake as well since at least on 240's it is still actuating the rear calipers not a stuped ebrake shoe inside the rotors. I have been looking for a hydralic ebrake for a while I too was looking at custom brackets and a second set of calipers I will try this out. Is there anyway to put a pin in the handle to lock it for street use? maybe I will just keep my stock ebrake as well.

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-29-2005, 01:19 PM

You could put a removable pin on the handle, however i wouldnt trust my car on a hill with the chance of any pressure loss.

brainfood · 10-30-2005, 09:27 PM

Yeah prob. just leave my stock ebrake maybe try to move it to the other side of the tunnel. thanks for the info though let us know how well it works when you have some time to test it out.

Motdyn-Ls1fd · 10-31-2005, 01:56 PM

For shizzle.

Slammed_GSL · 11-05-2005, 12:36 AM

I've been collecting parts for this ever since I saw the GTO at Seattle HIN, I found a thread on the web discussing this install and they (Millen Motorsports) used a master CNC Master cylinder for the Ebrake, I didn't see how that would work with the resivour(spelling) and how it would affect the Main master brake cylinder....so I called them, spoke with Eric and he told me they installed a 2nd set of calipers in the rear(Wilwoods) to do the work and not cause negative feedback with the front and rear bias. Pretty cool, so I had already made a deal on a second GSL rear end (read rear disk's) and picked it up today. The rear calipers are perfect, small and compact, line is inplace, just need to install and plumb it in, alittle welding to add the new mount but other then that easy. Will post pics when I get around to this, coil conversion is first.

sukimoto · 11-05-2005, 07:03 AM

awesome! cant wait to see

05-08-2007, 09:44 AM

so yeah if im dumb thats cool but i havent gotten the answer from reading the posts but i got an idea but i want to be sure!! i plan to purchase the staging brake soon, but i want to be sure, ur hooking this up to the rear line and the rear stays hooked up to the master?? so the rear brake still works normaly under foot braking?? just want to make sure i understand this right!

SDARsupertuner · 05-08-2007, 01:27 PM

another cool way of doing it without the added rear calipers is to tee in a line lock (like used in drag racing) just before the e brake and adding a micro switch to the e brake setup so when you pull the brake it will not feedback to the master and the best part is you still have the front brakes on the foot pedal this is the system we use

s13/350z · 05-09-2007, 10:18 PM

the coolest way is to not ask question to a post from 2 years ago.

soultron · 05-10-2007, 09:09 AM

Wow, I guess bringing up old threads to get info is bad.
Even worse I bet than clogging the boards with more useless posts, so people can tell you to search instead of helping you.

FreeThinker · 05-10-2007, 10:51 PM

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Toycoma · 05-12-2007, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDARsupertuner

another cool way of doing it without the added rear calipers is to tee in a line lock (like used in drag racing) just before the e brake and adding a micro switch to the e brake setup so when you pull the brake it will not feedback to the master and the best part is you still have the front brakes on the foot pedal this is the system we use

no, just do it like posted above. it works. that's is how mine is, your idea is complex. K.I.S.S. plus why would I only want front brakes?? I want all my brakes plus the hand brake incase i need one or the other during a run.

Toycoma · 05-12-2007, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricer240sx

so yeah if im dumb thats cool but i havent gotten the answer from reading the posts but i got an idea but i want to be sure!! i plan to purchase the staging brake soon, but i want to be sure, ur hooking this up to the rear line and the rear stays hooked up to the master?? so the rear brake still works normaly under foot braking?? just want to make sure i understand this right!

Just run the rear brake line into the Hand brake from the master cylinder then out of the hand brake and into the back brakes. it is super simple. hardest part is flaring the lines.

mranlet · 05-16-2007, 05:46 PM

I hid mine under the center console. $20 master from a ****, an $8 heim joint and stock ebrake handle in parts, about 2 hours of mockup and installation.

10-24-2005, 04:42 PM	#1
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	$100 Hydro Ebrake how to. Ok guys i allways wanted a hydro ebrake for my s14.5 but i never got around to it. Heres some somewhat detailed instructions on the setup. It is really easy, and only takes about an hour. First call up CNCbrakes.com and order the "staging brake" for disc brakes. $95 Then find a mounting point. Then make a mounting bracket. Mount it up. Now find the hard line that goes to your rear brakes. Dissconect the line from the rear, and bend it up to the front of the staging brake. Now go to auto zone and buy a 5ft hard brake line. Hook this up to the rear brake valve, and bend the other end up to the exit of the staging brake. Bleed the system and you are done. Total cost $100. Gangster value: Priceless.

10-24-2005, 04:56 PM	#3
sukimoto 1979 Datsun 280zx Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Wayne, Michigan Posts: 137	aa thanks for the writeup i was actually about to buy one

11-05-2005, 12:36 AM	#16
Slammed_GSL Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carnation, Washington Posts: 10	Hydro Ebrake I've been collecting parts for this ever since I saw the GTO at Seattle HIN, I found a thread on the web discussing this install and they (Millen Motorsports) used a master CNC Master cylinder for the Ebrake, I didn't see how that would work with the resivour(spelling) and how it would affect the Main master brake cylinder....so I called them, spoke with Eric and he told me they installed a 2nd set of calipers in the rear(Wilwoods) to do the work and not cause negative feedback with the front and rear bias. Pretty cool, so I had already made a deal on a second GSL rear end (read rear disk's) and picked it up today. The rear calipers are perfect, small and compact, line is inplace, just need to install and plumb it in, alittle welding to add the new mount but other then that easy. Will post pics when I get around to this, coil conversion is first.

05-10-2007, 10:51 PM	#22
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10-24-2005, 04:55 PM	#2
blargonator Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: michigan Posts: 406	kablaam! http://cncbrakes.com/cncbrakes.com-a...412&subseries= but anyways, quick question. why not the handbrake instead of the staging brake?

10-24-2005, 05:10 PM	#5
Piner Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ramstein AB, Germany Posts: 776	am I missing something?? but what do you do about the brake line going to rear from before to you cap it off crimp and weld it?? so you dont lose pressure in your regular brakes?

10-24-2005, 05:50 PM	#6
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	You dont cap off the rear brake line. Just imagine it this way. master cyl-------brakeline----stagingbrake--------rear brakes.----===== The staging brake just goes in line. from the master cyl, to the staging brake, to the rear wheels. :::: The reason you dont use the cnc ebrake is because the staging brake doesnt req its own resovor. It simply goes in line and pushes the fluid that is stored in the line to actuate the rear brakes. Also if you were to use the ebrake you would need a seperate input on your calipers, because if you hook up the ebrake to your reg brake line it will affect pedal feel and proportioning.

10-24-2005, 05:52 PM	#7
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	This is if you were running it to the front brakes. just imagine it saying to rear brakes instead.

10-24-2005, 09:53 PM	#8
CrazyHawaiian Sample One Time!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 1,276	Wow thanks for posting this. I did some research and got a parts list for my own setup but it was so much more complicated than this. This is definately the best way to go since you dont require another reservoir (as you said) nor do you need a second rear caliper (which requires custom backing plates). This method is 100x easier and cheaper. You rule.

10-24-2005, 10:04 PM	#9
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	yaay for easy stuff. We rule. jk. I hope that more people would post up stuff that they have learnd the hard way. It makes it so much better for everyone else.

10-25-2005, 01:31 PM	#10
aaronlosey Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 219	thanks for writing up some tech stuff. have you drifted on this setup yet? how does it affect brake feel and consistancy under your foot while the hand is braking as well? i would imagine as you use your hand brake it would change the feel on the foot pedal, making your braking kinda erradic. is this true? go drift it and tell us!

10-25-2005, 03:59 PM	#11
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	Al lagura uses one and says its not a problem. We will see.

10-29-2005, 01:19 PM	#13
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	You could put a removable pin on the handle, however i wouldnt trust my car on a hill with the chance of any pressure loss.

10-30-2005, 09:27 PM	#14
brainfood Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 667	Yeah prob. just leave my stock ebrake maybe try to move it to the other side of the tunnel. thanks for the info though let us know how well it works when you have some time to test it out.

10-31-2005, 01:56 PM	#15
Motdyn-Ls1fd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 220	For shizzle.

11-05-2005, 07:03 AM	#17
sukimoto 1979 Datsun 280zx Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Wayne, Michigan Posts: 137	awesome! cant wait to see

05-08-2007, 09:44 AM	#18
Ricer240sx Guest Posts: n/a	so yeah if im dumb thats cool but i havent gotten the answer from reading the posts but i got an idea but i want to be sure!! i plan to purchase the staging brake soon, but i want to be sure, ur hooking this up to the rear line and the rear stays hooked up to the master?? so the rear brake still works normaly under foot braking?? just want to make sure i understand this right!

05-08-2007, 01:27 PM	#19
SDARsupertuner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SAN DIMAS CALIFORNIA Posts: 61	another cool way of doing it without the added rear calipers is to tee in a line lock (like used in drag racing) just before the e brake and adding a micro switch to the e brake setup so when you pull the brake it will not feedback to the master and the best part is you still have the front brakes on the foot pedal this is the system we use

05-09-2007, 10:18 PM	#20
s13/350z Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 377	the coolest way is to not ask question to a post from 2 years ago.

05-10-2007, 09:09 AM	#21
soultron Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Willy NC. Posts: 1,059	Wow, I guess bringing up old threads to get info is bad. Even worse I bet than clogging the boards with more useless posts, so people can tell you to search instead of helping you.

05-16-2007, 05:46 PM	#25
mranlet Smokes Dynamite Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tampa, CT, all over the place! Posts: 1,090	I hid mine under the center console. $20 master from a ****, an $8 heim joint and stock ebrake handle in parts, about 2 hours of mockup and installation.