sr20det legality

uchi_san_saikos · 02-24-2004, 05:41 PM

ok so i wanna know if it is completely legal to swap a sr20 into a 240sx, i live in socal, if anyone has it and can help me out and tell me if it is completely legal and wise to do, i would appreciate it alot

thank you

S14-Kidd · 02-24-2004, 06:31 PM

Comepletely not Street Legal. period.

02-24-2004, 10:48 PM

move to Minnesota where you don't have to deal with *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* smog laws. The SR20DET is illegal in all 50 states technically. But only in California will you be busted for it.

nissanguy_24 · 02-24-2004, 11:07 PM

Stay in california where you can attend the d1 grand prix. write your law makers. and talk to lawyers about legality.

If motorex can make the skyline legal, then with enough legal mumbo jumbo you can make the sr20 legal

it just hasnt happened yet.

raging panda · 02-24-2004, 11:46 PM

Taking into account the same idea as to getting skylines legalized, you would need to let the US government test and re test SR20DET engines until their heads blew up. Then, you would have to pay them to do these tests, plus all the legal fees to get around stuff, then you would have to make some kind of modifications to each engine that you sell legally, bringing the price of the SR to about 10000 for a legal SR20. That's following the model of the skyline.

nissanguy_24 · 02-25-2004, 12:00 AM

So there you go.

Well sence the rb25 has already been tested. I wonder what it would take to make that swap legal.

HondaHater · 02-25-2004, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nissanguy_24
Stay in california where you can attend the d1 grand prix. write your law makers. and talk to lawyers about legality.

If motorex can make the skyline legal, then with enough legal mumbo jumbo you can make the sr20 legal

it just hasnt happened yet.

florida is cool bout it

raging panda · 02-25-2004, 12:13 PM

You would think that the rb25 would be legal, and actually it probably is, but you gotta remember that you can only swap engines into cars that they originally came in, so you would have to swap an rb25 into a skyline, then it would be legal.

Akira714 · 02-25-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by raging panda
but you gotta remember that you can only swap engines into cars that they originally came in

Nope. You can swap any two engines, but the one that's going in needs to be at the same level/lower in emission numbers (stock). You also have to have to take it to an emissions shop that also deals with checking engine swaps and get a certificate.

Ghost of Duluth · 02-25-2004, 04:19 PM

And Akira is correct. Thems the laws. There is no "written" law against swapping engines. You may swap a friggin bulldozer engine into something if you want, the problem (for you Californians mostly) is, your friendly neighborhood CARB law. That is where you have to most problems. The government could care less what engine you have in it as long as it meets the vehicle year emmisions laws. With J-spec engines it hits kinde of a grey area. Because the SR20 is from Japan where the laws are not like Cali, it has a hard time meeting emmisions. So the old the car you put it in, the better your chances are. Where I live we have none of that. Plus Ed down at Ed and sons garage wouldn't know an SR20 from a KA even if you tried to explain it to him. 4 cylinder is a 4 cylinder.

nissanguy_24 · 02-25-2004, 10:48 PM

Actualy and some one just had the law posted up here a link to the DOT's website.

It started something along the lines of, you can swap the engine from a similar car of the same make with no problem. so long as there arent in different classifications based on weight.

Of course this means it has to have the right equipment. the wording of the law is confusing at best, which is why lawyers are professionals who do nothing but hammer out these specifics.

Anyways sence the skyline is now "legal" i think thats a step in the right direction especialy for the rb series swap.

raging panda · 02-25-2004, 11:19 PM

If they didn't care what engine is in the car, why is everyone so worried about visual inspections? Wouldn't they just run a sniffer test? I remember reading that it has to be from the same car, I could be wrong though.

nissanguy_24 · 02-25-2004, 11:35 PM

i dont know. the law is very sketchy. everyone thinks they know whats up, but i get the feeling no really does.

Ghost of Duluth · 02-26-2004, 12:45 AM

I know whats up where I live and they don't inspect anything. Just roll the car on the rollers and away you go. Cali can be completely different (and most probably is) but down here everything swinging d*ck redneck has a different engine in everything.

jorgen325 · 07-23-2007, 07:33 AM

I live in GA. The law here states the following...

Any engine swap made must be with an engine that came with the car. So technically the SR is not for a 240.
Also states that by FEDERAL LAW, it is illegal to tamper with any emissions controls. Even if it is to get it to pass. Changing your catalytic converter could be against federal law. So the question is... is there any way to get an SR to pass emissions? Maybe a badass high flow cat? Seems like that would be the easist solution if its possible.

Sancosys · 07-26-2007, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira714

Nope. You can swap any two engines, but the one that's going in needs to be at the same level/lower in emission numbers (stock). You also have to have to take it to an emissions shop that also deals with checking engine swaps and get a certificate.

BIG Fat WRONG

Call the EPA and REF..Ive spent far to much time talking to them now I have direct numbers to the employs. Passenger Car to Passenger Car in this case is all that matters. As in your cant put a truck motor into a car and have it get signed off on. You can put a diesel (smog exempt engines) from a car into your car if you want and your car would them be smog exempt while that engine was in the car (Told by REF tech district manager) What happens, say for example you wanted to put a VQ35DE into a S13...You do the swap with ALL of the OBD2 components then go to a ref station. After they see it would run clean and have all the proper some parts your car then would need to meet the smog requirements for the VQ35 from that point forward. One point would be you can not go from the current OBD systems backwards. The engine has to be the same year or new of the cars chassis also.I know Im leaving things out but its late and Im tired so just search but you get the idea. Thanks

Aaron

Felliph3 · 08-19-2007, 04:46 PM

Correct Sancosys, you cannot go back OBDs.... If you have say a honda CRX 91, it is OBD0 so you can pretty much drop in anything as long as it has on board diagnosis. The older the car, the less hassle. If you have a 99 civic EX tho you cant put a B16A from the CRX because the 99 civic is OBD2.

It sucks but i mean you have to protect the enviroment you know?

02-24-2004, 05:41 PM	#1
uchi_san_saikos drifter DOUBLE xl Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 60	sr20det legality ok so i wanna know if it is completely legal to swap a sr20 into a 240sx, i live in socal, if anyone has it and can help me out and tell me if it is completely legal and wise to do, i would appreciate it alot thank you

02-25-2004, 04:19 PM	#10
Ghost of Duluth Sixgun Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 2,280	And Akira is correct. Thems the laws. There is no "written" law against swapping engines. You may swap a friggin bulldozer engine into something if you want, the problem (for you Californians mostly) is, your friendly neighborhood CARB law. That is where you have to most problems. The government could care less what engine you have in it as long as it meets the vehicle year emmisions laws. With J-spec engines it hits kinde of a grey area. Because the SR20 is from Japan where the laws are not like Cali, it has a hard time meeting emmisions. So the old the car you put it in, the better your chances are. Where I live we have none of that. Plus Ed down at Ed and sons garage wouldn't know an SR20 from a KA even if you tried to explain it to him. 4 cylinder is a 4 cylinder. __________________ Team SIXGUN, Don't whine about the food chain, be the top of it. Tokyo Pimps, Godzilla is coming. Lorin, oh Lorin, where have you gone?? If you're in the stands warming the bench, don't whine about the guys in the drivers seats.

02-26-2004, 12:45 AM	#14
Ghost of Duluth Sixgun Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 2,280	I know whats up where I live and they don't inspect anything. Just roll the car on the rollers and away you go. Cali can be completely different (and most probably is) but down here everything swinging d*ck redneck has a different engine in everything. __________________ Team SIXGUN, Don't whine about the food chain, be the top of it. Tokyo Pimps, Godzilla is coming. Lorin, oh Lorin, where have you gone?? If you're in the stands warming the bench, don't whine about the guys in the drivers seats.

07-23-2007, 07:33 AM	#15
jorgen325 User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1	SR emissons I live in GA. The law here states the following... Any engine swap made must be with an engine that came with the car. So technically the SR is not for a 240. Also states that by FEDERAL LAW, it is illegal to tamper with any emissions controls. Even if it is to get it to pass. Changing your catalytic converter could be against federal law. So the question is... is there any way to get an SR to pass emissions? Maybe a badass high flow cat? Seems like that would be the easist solution if its possible.

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02-24-2004, 06:31 PM	#2
S14-Kidd S14 tuner Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Posts: 37	Comepletely not Street Legal. period.

02-24-2004, 10:48 PM	#3
____ Guest Posts: n/a	move to Minnesota where you don't have to deal with CensoredCensoredCensoredCensored smog laws. The SR20DET is illegal in all 50 states technically. But only in California will you be busted for it.

02-24-2004, 11:07 PM	#4
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	Stay in california where you can attend the d1 grand prix. write your law makers. and talk to lawyers about legality. If motorex can make the skyline legal, then with enough legal mumbo jumbo you can make the sr20 legal it just hasnt happened yet.

02-24-2004, 11:46 PM	#5
raging panda Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Renton. Posts: 379	Taking into account the same idea as to getting skylines legalized, you would need to let the US government test and re test SR20DET engines until their heads blew up. Then, you would have to pay them to do these tests, plus all the legal fees to get around stuff, then you would have to make some kind of modifications to each engine that you sell legally, bringing the price of the SR to about 10000 for a legal SR20. That's following the model of the skyline.

02-25-2004, 12:00 AM	#6
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	So there you go. Well sence the rb25 has already been tested. I wonder what it would take to make that swap legal.

02-25-2004, 12:13 PM	#8
raging panda Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Renton. Posts: 379	You would think that the rb25 would be legal, and actually it probably is, but you gotta remember that you can only swap engines into cars that they originally came in, so you would have to swap an rb25 into a skyline, then it would be legal.

02-25-2004, 10:48 PM	#11
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	Actualy and some one just had the law posted up here a link to the DOT's website. It started something along the lines of, you can swap the engine from a similar car of the same make with no problem. so long as there arent in different classifications based on weight. Of course this means it has to have the right equipment. the wording of the law is confusing at best, which is why lawyers are professionals who do nothing but hammer out these specifics. Anyways sence the skyline is now "legal" i think thats a step in the right direction especialy for the rb series swap.

02-25-2004, 11:19 PM	#12
raging panda Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Renton. Posts: 379	If they didn't care what engine is in the car, why is everyone so worried about visual inspections? Wouldn't they just run a sniffer test? I remember reading that it has to be from the same car, I could be wrong though.

02-25-2004, 11:35 PM	#13
nissanguy_24 Guest Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bakersfield, CA Posts: 3,197	i dont know. the law is very sketchy. everyone thinks they know whats up, but i get the feeling no really does.

08-19-2007, 04:46 PM	#17
Felliph3 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	Correct Sancosys, you cannot go back OBDs.... If you have say a honda CRX 91, it is OBD0 so you can pretty much drop in anything as long as it has on board diagnosis. The older the car, the less hassle. If you have a 99 civic EX tho you cant put a B16A from the CRX because the 99 civic is OBD2. It sucks but i mean you have to protect the enviroment you know?