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Old 05-10-2004, 10:47 PM   #1
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How to Make Your Car Handle (TECH BOOK)

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will drifting.com be selling this book. Or should I just look elsewhere.
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Good book, but it is dated. Amazon and the other online book stores should have it.
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Chassis Engineering by Herb Adams
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Going Faster by Danny Sullivan (Skip Barber Racing School instructor)
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Old 05-11-2004, 05:50 AM   #9
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Performance Handling by Don Alexander
$20 at Ebay - a bit dated for modern tire technology, but the concepts and troubleshooting remains true
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for all the people who say those books are old, jus remember your car's are that old too...
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Old 05-14-2004, 02:35 PM   #11
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That's true, but in some areas the knnowledge is dated as well. Subjects like Tire Tech and Turbos are constantly changing, so when they talk about such things as turbo lag (which is virtually non-existent compared to turbos 10 years ago) the information isn't nescessarily relevant anymore...

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Don Alexander has a revised and up-to-date version of "Performance Handling" entitled "High Performance Handling Handbook" - it has a red Prelude on the coverand is only $18 at Borders books, $13+shipping at Amazon.com and $27.24 at Amazon when purchased with "How To Make Your Car Handle"!

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Old 06-01-2004, 05:13 AM   #12
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I own quite a few, How to Make Your Car handle, thumbs up from me.

Chassis Engineering - I dont give a fvck what adams' credentials are, the book is not worth a tenth of what I paid. Other books on the market cover most of the same shixt and are much more detailed, accurate and useful.
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:45 AM   #13
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Wow, that's rough - not worth $1.20...

I think it's pretty good when you get involved in more complicated suspensions, stiffening the frame, or building a ground-up race car!

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Old 06-15-2004, 01:11 PM   #14
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that chassis engineering book is DOPE!! but it's probably beyond the ability of most people due to it's technical aspect (math, physics).

but, I think it's worth reading even if someone didn't understand all the information, it's still filled with a ton of great data.
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for all the people who say those books are old, jus remember your car's are that old too...
i win the oldest car award i bet, mines a 72
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Old 06-16-2004, 12:50 AM   #16
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I beat you, I own a 1967 Camaro that i am trying to set up for drifting.

I also own a 1932 Ford 3 window coupe and a 1994 240sx.
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I beat you, I own a 1967 Camaro that i am trying to set up for drifting.

I also own a 1932 Ford 3 window coupe and a 1994 240sx.
Have you checked out Powerslideways.com they have a domestic drifting forum, im sure the guys would love to hear from you over there.
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Old 06-17-2004, 12:21 AM   #18
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I havent heard of that forum. I am new to the concept of a 1st gen F-Body drifter, and I did not know where else to turn to. Thanks alot!

I have almost completed my 240 sx, its no drifter, just a street car with a KA. Everyone tells me to forget the camaro as a drifter and setup the 240 as 1. But how many 240's do u see compared to camaros. Studying import suspension setups have really helped me become more radical in sense to my approach with the older car suspensions.

Again thanks alot for the link.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:49 AM   #19
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I own Going Faster!, High Performance Handling Handbook, Carroll Smith's Tune to Win: The art and science of race car development and tuning, and Ross Bentley's Speed Secrets 1 and 2. I'd recommend all of them, although Smith's book really should be used in collaboration with his other books, Prepare to Win and Engineer to Win if you're truly serious. I've heard great things about Smith's Drive to Win also. Amazon should have all these books.
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I got a 63 nova.. thats old
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I have the Speed Secrets books too, those are nicely written. Its similiar to Henry Watts (I think thats the author) book, Secrets of Solo Racing. That was a great book on the basics. The Skip Barber tape and of course Tsuchiya's Drift Bible helps too.
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Oh yeah... I have Secrets of Solo Racing and Piero Taruffi's The Technique of Motor Racing also.
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THANK YOU i was about to ask where could i find these books
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1 THE DESIGN PROCEDURE 3
2 GENERAL INFORMATION ON HANDLING 10
How Tires Affect Handling 10
The Dynamics of Cornering 14
Understeer, Oversteer, Neutral Steer 16
Factors Affecting Tire Grip 19
Transient Handling Characteristics 22
Fore-and-Aft Weight Transfer 24
Suspension Systems 27
Roll Centers 31
Centrifugal Force & Maximum Cornering Speed 38
Lateral Weight Transfer 39
Weight Transfer in Chassis Tuning 44
The Effect of Body Roll 45
Frame Structure 46
Aerodynamics 49

3 SUSPENSION TUNING 51
Ride Height 57
How to Adjust Ride Height 64
Cars With Coil Springs 64
Cars With Leaf Springs 65
Cars With Torsion Bars 66
Other Designs 66
Weight Distribution 67
Caster 72
Toe 75
Squaring the Chassis 83
Camber 84
Bump Steer 88
Roll Steer 92
Preparing for Testing 93
Troubleshooting Handling at the Test Track 95
Aerodynamic Testing 100
Tuft Testing 102
Brake Testing 109

4 CHASSIS MODIFICATIONS 113
Tires 113
Tire Size Selection 118
Wheels 124
Wheel Types 131
Springs 135
Shock Absorbers 144
Anti-Roll Bars 148
Locating Devices 151
Stiffening the Frame 156
Changing the CG Location 158
Changing the Polar Moment of Inertia 163
Brake System Modifications 164
Aerodynamic Devices 172
Making Things Adjustable 178
Steering Modifications 180

5 SPECIALIZED RACING VEHICLES 182
Oval Track Racing 182
Drag Racing 185
Off-Road Racing 190
Speed Record Vehicles 191
Ground Effects 193

6 FUTURE TRENDS 193
SUPPLIERS LIST 197
INDEX 199


INDEX

A
A-arm, 29, 155
Aerodynamics,
modifications, 173
testing, 102, 175
Theory, 49,110,173
Tradeoffs, 8, 177

Air dams, 103
Air springs,67,143
Airfoil, 175
Angle of attack, 101, 174
Anti-roll bar,
adjustment, 70, 97, 150
fabrication, 150
selection, 149
testing, 150
theory, 41, 148
Anti-sway bar, 41
Aspect ratio 120, 174

B
Balance bar, 110. 171
Ball joints, 53
Bars,
anti-roll,41,70,97,148
anti-sway,41
balance, 110, 171
lift, 188
roll stabilizer. 41
torsion, 66. 142
trammel, 77
z-bar, 144
Bias belted tires, 117
Bias ply tires, 116
Body roll,
testing, 96
theory, 39, 45
Bottoming, 27,60
Brake balance, 109.171
Brake effective radius, 167
Brake fade, 111, 167
Brake fluid boiling, 111. 165
Brake linings,110,167
Brakes
modifications, 164
testing,109
theory,166
Bump steer,
adjustment, 88. 178
theory. 23, 91
Bump steer gage. 89
Bump Slops. 27, 60
Burnout, 186

C
Camber,
adjustment, 85, 179
testing, 96, 107
theory, 20,87
Camber change,85
Camber compensator, 143
Camber gage, 84
Camber thrust, 20, 87
Caster, 72
Center of gravity,15
Centrifugal force, 15, 38
CG location,
measuring, 158
modifying, 162, 187
theory,6, 15
Chapman strut, 29
Chassis modifications, 113
Chord, 174
Coefficient of friction, 13
Coil shock unit, 64
Coil springs, 64, 141
Contact patch, 10
Cord angle, 116
Cornering force, 10
Cornering power, 15
Couple,42
Criteria, 5

D
Damping, 145
DeDion, 28
Design, 5
Doublers, 158
Downforce, 49
Drag, aerodynamic, 8, 49
Drag racing, 13, 185
Drift, 12
Droop Stops, 28
Dual braking system, 171

E
End fences, 176

F
Fairings, 178
Floating, 100
Fluid boiling, 111, 165
Flutter, 177
Foaming, 145
Frame. 46
Frame alignment, 83
Frame stiffness, 156
Friction, 13
Front roll couple, 41
Front wheel drive, 17, 24, 76, 149
Full bump, 27
Full droop, 28

G
G's, 24
Grip, 13,22
Ground clearance, 57
Ground-effect, 49, 193

H
Handling, 3, 10
Helper springs, 143
High-speed instability, 75
High-speed stability, 75
Hotchkiss drive, 33
Hydroplaning, 122

I
Independent suspension, 29
Inertia, 15
Inertia force, 24
Instantaneous center, 35
Interference drag, 178

J
Jacking effect, 30, 87, 143

L
Lateral acceleration, 15, 105
Lateral CG location, 159
Lateral weight transfer, 39
Leaf springs, 65.141
Lift, 49, 104
Lift bars, 188
Limit of adhesion, 12
Loading, 5
Locating devices, 151
Longitudinal CG location, 159
Low profile tires, 120
Lowering blocks, 65
Lug nuts, 130

M
MacPherson strut, 29
Mag wheels, 132
Manometer,104
Mechanical advantage, 138
Modular wheels. 131
Moment,162
Monocoque frame, 48
Monocoque wheels, 133, 190

N
Natural frequency, 136, 139
Natural period, 141
Negative acceleration, 26
Neutral steer, 18

O
Off-road racing, 190
Offset,24, 124
Opposite lock cornering, 17
Oval Track racing, 28, 182
Overload shocks, 147
Oversteer, 16, 108

p
Panhard rod, 151
Pedal ratio, 169
Pedal stroke, 166
Pinion snubber, 188
Pitching,141
Polar moment of inertia, 23, 163
Pressure limiting valve, 111, 170
Pyrometer, 106

R
Racing,
drag,185
drag, sand, 189
off -road, 190
oval track. 182
speed record, 191
Racing shocks, 146
Racing tires, 6
Racing wheels, 131
Radial tires, 116
Rail frame, 46
Rake,63
Re-arching,65
Rear caster, 75
Rear roll couple, 41
Rear spacing, 124, 129
Resultant force, 14
Reversing spring eyes, 66
Ride height, 57,64, 179
Rim width, 21, 118, 124
Rising rate suspension, 143
Road tires, 116
Roll,31
Roll angle, 150
Roll axis, 32
Roll center, 32, 62, 155
Roll couple, 41
Roll oversteer, 92
Roll stabilizer bar, 41
Roll steer, 23, 92
Roll stiffness, 40
Roll understeer, 92
Rubber bushings, 155
Rubber springs, 66

S
Sand drags, 189
Scrubbing off speed, 12
Section width, 118
Self-centering force, 72
SEMA,133
Semi-trailing arm, 30
Separation,103
Servo action, 169
Shackles,65
Shock absorbers,
adjustment, 97, 146
fade, 185
selection 146
settings,97
stiffness, 145
testing, 53, 97
theory, 145,187
Skid, 11
Skid pad, 15, 105
Skirts, 193
Sliding pillar, 29
Slip angle, 10,45
Solid axle, 28, 185
Space frame, 47
Spacers, 130
Span, 174
Speed record vehicles, 191
Spoiler,49, 172
Spring compressor. 86. 142
Spring constant, 137
Spring rate, 137
Spring stiffness, 137
Springs, 52, 135
coil, 64,141
helper, 143
leaf, 65, 141
Sprung weight, 27, 137
Squaring the chassis. 83
Stability,23
Stable, 23
Stagger, 183
Stall, 101, 174
Static position. 28
Steady-state cornering, 16
Steer characteristics, 96, 108, 149
Steering inspection, 180
Supplier, 196, 197
Suspension bushing modifications, 150,155
Suspension pivots, 29, 55, 62
Suspension travel, 27, 184
Swing axle, 30

T
Test plan, 95
Testing, 93
Tip loss, 176
Tires,
bias belted, 117
bias ply, 116
grip, 19, 106
low profile, 120
racing, 6, 114
radial. 116
road, J 16
selection, 6, 114, 118
theory, 10, 116
Tire pressure
testing, 57, 96,108
theory,19
Tire temperature, 21, 106
Toe, 23, 75, 97
Toe angle, 79
Toe-in, 23
Toe-out, 23
Torque,42
Torsion bars, 66, 142
Torsional stiffness, 411
Torque,42
Torque steer, 24
Torsion bars, 66, 142
Total roll couple, 41
Traction bars, 153, 188
Trailing arm, 29
Trammel bar, 77
Transient handling, 23, 109
Transitional cornering, 22
Tread grooves, 122
Tread width, 118
Triangulated, 47
Tuff Testing, 102
Twin I-beam, 30

U
Understeer, 17, 108
Unit construction, 49
Unsprung weight, 27
Unstable, 23


V
Vector addition, 14
Venturi, 193
Vertical CG location, 159
Vertical stiffness, 138
Virtual wing arm, 35

W
Wandering,75
Watts linkage, 151
Weight distribution, 16, 67
Weight jacking, 67, 182, 188

Weight transfer, 25
Wheel bearings, 128
Wheel lifting, 44
Wheel rate, 138
Wheels
mag,132
modular,131
monocoque, 133, 190
racing, 131
selection, 7, 120, 124
Wheelstand, 25
Wind tunnel, 105, 192

Wing, 49, 172
Wing area, 174
Wing efficiency, 174
Wishbone, 29

Z
Z-bar, 144
Zero roll stiffness, 44
Zero toe, 23

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Re: How to Make Your Car Handle (TECH BOOK)

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Amazon.com gave this book mixed reviews. Some believing the book's a good look at past issues so not to overlook them in present day. Others just think it's too dated and faded to matter. For the pros that have read this book, I'd like to know what you all think about this as a resource when shelf space is at a premium.
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