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This is a discussion on Suspension Tuning/Chassis Modification (BOOK) within the TECH Discussion Forum forums, part of the TECH Discussion category; How to Make Your Car Handle (TECH BOOK)...
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How to Make Your Car Handle (TECH BOOK)
How to Make Your Car Handle (TECH BOOK)
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400lbs Gorillia
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will drifting.com be selling this book. Or should I just look elsewhere.
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Good book, but it is dated. Amazon and the other online book stores should have it.
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Smokes Dynamite
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Tampa, CT, all over the place!
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other reccomendations
Auto Math by John Lawlor
$7 used at Amazon.com |
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Smokes Dynamite
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Chassis Engineering by Herb Adams
$12 used at Amazon.com |
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Smokes Dynamite
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Going Faster by Danny Sullivan (Skip Barber Racing School instructor)
$20 at Amazon.com Last edited by mranlet; 05-11-2004 at 05:50 AM. |
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Smokes Dynamite
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Performance Handling by Don Alexander
$20 at Ebay - a bit dated for modern tire technology, but the concepts and troubleshooting remains true |
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for all the people who say those books are old, jus remember your car's are that old too...
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Smokes Dynamite
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That's true, but in some areas the knnowledge is dated as well. Subjects like Tire Tech and Turbos are constantly changing, so when they talk about such things as turbo lag (which is virtually non-existent compared to turbos 10 years ago) the information isn't nescessarily relevant anymore...
ALSO: Don Alexander has a revised and up-to-date version of "Performance Handling" entitled "High Performance Handling Handbook" - it has a red Prelude on the coverand is only $18 at Borders books, $13+shipping at Amazon.com and $27.24 at Amazon when purchased with "How To Make Your Car Handle"! -MR Last edited by mranlet; 05-18-2004 at 11:50 AM. |
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I own quite a few, How to Make Your Car handle, thumbs up from me.
Chassis Engineering - I dont give a fvck what adams' credentials are, the book is not worth a tenth of what I paid. Other books on the market cover most of the same shixt and are much more detailed, accurate and useful. |
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Smokes Dynamite
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Wow, that's rough - not worth $1.20...
I think it's pretty good when you get involved in more complicated suspensions, stiffening the frame, or building a ground-up race car! -MR |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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that chassis engineering book is DOPE!! but it's probably beyond the ability of most people due to it's technical aspect (math, physics).
but, I think it's worth reading even if someone didn't understand all the information, it's still filled with a ton of great data. |
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Newbie
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I beat you, I own a 1967 Camaro that i am trying to set up for drifting.
I also own a 1932 Ford 3 window coupe and a 1994 240sx. |
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I havent heard of that forum. I am new to the concept of a 1st gen F-Body drifter, and I did not know where else to turn to. Thanks alot!
I have almost completed my 240 sx, its no drifter, just a street car with a KA. Everyone tells me to forget the camaro as a drifter and setup the 240 as 1. But how many 240's do u see compared to camaros. Studying import suspension setups have really helped me become more radical in sense to my approach with the older car suspensions. Again thanks alot for the link. |
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Opposite Lock
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I own Going Faster!, High Performance Handling Handbook, Carroll Smith's Tune to Win: The art and science of race car development and tuning, and Ross Bentley's Speed Secrets 1 and 2. I'd recommend all of them, although Smith's book really should be used in collaboration with his other books, Prepare to Win and Engineer to Win if you're truly serious. I've heard great things about Smith's Drive to Win also. Amazon should have all these books.
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Dorifto Pic King
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I got a 63 nova.. thats old
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I'm RICH B*ATCHH!!
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I have the Speed Secrets books too, those are nicely written. Its similiar to Henry Watts (I think thats the author) book, Secrets of Solo Racing. That was a great book on the basics. The Skip Barber tape and of course Tsuchiya's Drift Bible helps too.
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Oh yeah... I have Secrets of Solo Racing and Piero Taruffi's The Technique of Motor Racing also.
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DRIFTING.com now carries this book.
![]() http://store.driftingshop.com/howtomayocar.html 1 THE DESIGN PROCEDURE 3 2 GENERAL INFORMATION ON HANDLING 10 How Tires Affect Handling 10 The Dynamics of Cornering 14 Understeer, Oversteer, Neutral Steer 16 Factors Affecting Tire Grip 19 Transient Handling Characteristics 22 Fore-and-Aft Weight Transfer 24 Suspension Systems 27 Roll Centers 31 Centrifugal Force & Maximum Cornering Speed 38 Lateral Weight Transfer 39 Weight Transfer in Chassis Tuning 44 The Effect of Body Roll 45 Frame Structure 46 Aerodynamics 49 3 SUSPENSION TUNING 51 Ride Height 57 How to Adjust Ride Height 64 Cars With Coil Springs 64 Cars With Leaf Springs 65 Cars With Torsion Bars 66 Other Designs 66 Weight Distribution 67 Caster 72 Toe 75 Squaring the Chassis 83 Camber 84 Bump Steer 88 Roll Steer 92 Preparing for Testing 93 Troubleshooting Handling at the Test Track 95 Aerodynamic Testing 100 Tuft Testing 102 Brake Testing 109 4 CHASSIS MODIFICATIONS 113 Tires 113 Tire Size Selection 118 Wheels 124 Wheel Types 131 Springs 135 Shock Absorbers 144 Anti-Roll Bars 148 Locating Devices 151 Stiffening the Frame 156 Changing the CG Location 158 Changing the Polar Moment of Inertia 163 Brake System Modifications 164 Aerodynamic Devices 172 Making Things Adjustable 178 Steering Modifications 180 5 SPECIALIZED RACING VEHICLES 182 Oval Track Racing 182 Drag Racing 185 Off-Road Racing 190 Speed Record Vehicles 191 Ground Effects 193 6 FUTURE TRENDS 193 SUPPLIERS LIST 197 INDEX 199 INDEX A A-arm, 29, 155 Aerodynamics, modifications, 173 testing, 102, 175 Theory, 49,110,173 Tradeoffs, 8, 177 Air dams, 103 Air springs,67,143 Airfoil, 175 Angle of attack, 101, 174 Anti-roll bar, adjustment, 70, 97, 150 fabrication, 150 selection, 149 testing, 150 theory, 41, 148 Anti-sway bar, 41 Aspect ratio 120, 174 B Balance bar, 110. 171 Ball joints, 53 Bars, anti-roll,41,70,97,148 anti-sway,41 balance, 110, 171 lift, 188 roll stabilizer. 41 torsion, 66. 142 trammel, 77 z-bar, 144 Bias belted tires, 117 Bias ply tires, 116 Body roll, testing, 96 theory, 39, 45 Bottoming, 27,60 Brake balance, 109.171 Brake effective radius, 167 Brake fade, 111, 167 Brake fluid boiling, 111. 165 Brake linings,110,167 Brakes modifications, 164 testing,109 theory,166 Bump steer, adjustment, 88. 178 theory. 23, 91 Bump steer gage. 89 Bump Slops. 27, 60 Burnout, 186 C Camber, adjustment, 85, 179 testing, 96, 107 theory, 20,87 Camber change,85 Camber compensator, 143 Camber gage, 84 Camber thrust, 20, 87 Caster, 72 Center of gravity,15 Centrifugal force, 15, 38 CG location, measuring, 158 modifying, 162, 187 theory,6, 15 Chapman strut, 29 Chassis modifications, 113 Chord, 174 Coefficient of friction, 13 Coil shock unit, 64 Coil springs, 64, 141 Contact patch, 10 Cord angle, 116 Cornering force, 10 Cornering power, 15 Couple,42 Criteria, 5 D Damping, 145 DeDion, 28 Design, 5 Doublers, 158 Downforce, 49 Drag, aerodynamic, 8, 49 Drag racing, 13, 185 Drift, 12 Droop Stops, 28 Dual braking system, 171 E End fences, 176 F Fairings, 178 Floating, 100 Fluid boiling, 111, 165 Flutter, 177 Foaming, 145 Frame. 46 Frame alignment, 83 Frame stiffness, 156 Friction, 13 Front roll couple, 41 Front wheel drive, 17, 24, 76, 149 Full bump, 27 Full droop, 28 G G's, 24 Grip, 13,22 Ground clearance, 57 Ground-effect, 49, 193 H Handling, 3, 10 Helper springs, 143 High-speed instability, 75 High-speed stability, 75 Hotchkiss drive, 33 Hydroplaning, 122 I Independent suspension, 29 Inertia, 15 Inertia force, 24 Instantaneous center, 35 Interference drag, 178 J Jacking effect, 30, 87, 143 L Lateral acceleration, 15, 105 Lateral CG location, 159 Lateral weight transfer, 39 Leaf springs, 65.141 Lift, 49, 104 Lift bars, 188 Limit of adhesion, 12 Loading, 5 Locating devices, 151 Longitudinal CG location, 159 Low profile tires, 120 Lowering blocks, 65 Lug nuts, 130 M MacPherson strut, 29 Mag wheels, 132 Manometer,104 Mechanical advantage, 138 Modular wheels. 131 Moment,162 Monocoque frame, 48 Monocoque wheels, 133, 190 N Natural frequency, 136, 139 Natural period, 141 Negative acceleration, 26 Neutral steer, 18 O Off-road racing, 190 Offset,24, 124 Opposite lock cornering, 17 Oval Track racing, 28, 182 Overload shocks, 147 Oversteer, 16, 108 p Panhard rod, 151 Pedal ratio, 169 Pedal stroke, 166 Pinion snubber, 188 Pitching,141 Polar moment of inertia, 23, 163 Pressure limiting valve, 111, 170 Pyrometer, 106 R Racing, drag,185 drag, sand, 189 off -road, 190 oval track. 182 speed record, 191 Racing shocks, 146 Racing tires, 6 Racing wheels, 131 Radial tires, 116 Rail frame, 46 Rake,63 Re-arching,65 Rear caster, 75 Rear roll couple, 41 Rear spacing, 124, 129 Resultant force, 14 Reversing spring eyes, 66 Ride height, 57,64, 179 Rim width, 21, 118, 124 Rising rate suspension, 143 Road tires, 116 Roll,31 Roll angle, 150 Roll axis, 32 Roll center, 32, 62, 155 Roll couple, 41 Roll oversteer, 92 Roll stabilizer bar, 41 Roll steer, 23, 92 Roll stiffness, 40 Roll understeer, 92 Rubber bushings, 155 Rubber springs, 66 S Sand drags, 189 Scrubbing off speed, 12 Section width, 118 Self-centering force, 72 SEMA,133 Semi-trailing arm, 30 Separation,103 Servo action, 169 Shackles,65 Shock absorbers, adjustment, 97, 146 fade, 185 selection 146 settings,97 stiffness, 145 testing, 53, 97 theory, 145,187 Skid, 11 Skid pad, 15, 105 Skirts, 193 Sliding pillar, 29 Slip angle, 10,45 Solid axle, 28, 185 Space frame, 47 Spacers, 130 Span, 174 Speed record vehicles, 191 Spoiler,49, 172 Spring compressor. 86. 142 Spring constant, 137 Spring rate, 137 Spring stiffness, 137 Springs, 52, 135 coil, 64,141 helper, 143 leaf, 65, 141 Sprung weight, 27, 137 Squaring the chassis. 83 Stability,23 Stable, 23 Stagger, 183 Stall, 101, 174 Static position. 28 Steady-state cornering, 16 Steer characteristics, 96, 108, 149 Steering inspection, 180 Supplier, 196, 197 Suspension bushing modifications, 150,155 Suspension pivots, 29, 55, 62 Suspension travel, 27, 184 Swing axle, 30 T Test plan, 95 Testing, 93 Tip loss, 176 Tires, bias belted, 117 bias ply, 116 grip, 19, 106 low profile, 120 racing, 6, 114 radial. 116 road, J 16 selection, 6, 114, 118 theory, 10, 116 Tire pressure testing, 57, 96,108 theory,19 Tire temperature, 21, 106 Toe, 23, 75, 97 Toe angle, 79 Toe-in, 23 Toe-out, 23 Torque,42 Torsion bars, 66, 142 Torsional stiffness, 411 Torque,42 Torque steer, 24 Torsion bars, 66, 142 Total roll couple, 41 Traction bars, 153, 188 Trailing arm, 29 Trammel bar, 77 Transient handling, 23, 109 Transitional cornering, 22 Tread grooves, 122 Tread width, 118 Triangulated, 47 Tuff Testing, 102 Twin I-beam, 30 U Understeer, 17, 108 Unit construction, 49 Unsprung weight, 27 Unstable, 23 V Vector addition, 14 Venturi, 193 Vertical CG location, 159 Vertical stiffness, 138 Virtual wing arm, 35 W Wandering,75 Watts linkage, 151 Weight distribution, 16, 67 Weight jacking, 67, 182, 188 Weight transfer, 25 Wheel bearings, 128 Wheel lifting, 44 Wheel rate, 138 Wheels mag,132 modular,131 monocoque, 133, 190 racing, 131 selection, 7, 120, 124 Wheelstand, 25 Wind tunnel, 105, 192 Wing, 49, 172 Wing area, 174 Wing efficiency, 174 Wishbone, 29 Z Z-bar, 144 Zero roll stiffness, 44 Zero toe, 23 http://store.driftingshop.com/howtomayocar.html |
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Re: How to Make Your Car Handle (TECH BOOK)
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Amazon.com gave this book mixed reviews. Some believing the book's a good look at past issues so not to overlook them in present day. Others just think it's too dated and faded to matter. For the pros that have read this book, I'd like to know what you all think about this as a resource when shelf space is at a premium. |
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