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This is a discussion on Must Know 240SX Engine Idea's and Information within the TECH Discussion Forum forums, part of the TECH Discussion category; Can this please be a sticky?? But here it goes.. all the info for engine swaps and wiring and codes ...
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Z Car Freak (S30)
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Must Know 240SX Engine Idea's and Information
Can this please be a sticky??
But here it goes.. all the info for engine swaps and wiring and codes for a 240SX... Turbo KA24DE [more info] Swap Difficulty: 1 Aftermarket Support: 3 Donor Car(s): S13 (1991+ US model), S14 (all US models), Hardbody (pick-up) Stock Horsepower: 155hp (157ps) @ 5600rpm *before turbo install* Stock Torque: 160lb/ft (22.2kgm) @ 4400rpm *before turbo install* Redline: 7,500rpm Good: cheap, fast, less work than a swap Bad: reliability issues in some cases when running med/high boost sustained Engine Cost: $800-1,500 (a few hundred more if it's rebuilt or has some parts upgraded/strengthened) Install Cost: n/a (everything is installed other than turbo) OR $200-500 (to install a new KA where your old KA was) Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 250-350hp CA18DE-T [more info] Swap Difficulty: 4 Aftermarket Support: 4 Donor Car(s): Silvia (1989-1990) and 180sx (japan) Stock Horsepower: 173hp (175ps) @ 6400rpm Stock Torque: 166lb/ft (23.0kgm) @ 4000rpm Redline: 8,500rpm Good: higher redline and cheaper than SR20DET with about the same potential, iron block Bad: less parts support (esp in the US), weaker head gasket than SR20DET Engine Cost: $2,000-3,000 Install Cost: $1,000-2,000 Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 300-400hp SR20DE-T (S13) [more info] Swap Difficulty: 4 Aftermarket Support: 4 Donor Car(s): Silvia K (japan), Kouki 180SX Stock HP: 203hp (205ps) @ 6000rpm Stock Torque: 202lb/ft (28.0kgm) @ 4000rpm Redline: 7,500rpm Good: great output for the price with very good potential Bad: less output than an RB25 and weakest (stock) SR20DET, aluminum block Engine Cost: $2,500-3,500 Install Cost: $1,000-2,000 Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 350-450hp SR20DE-T (S14) [more info] Swap Difficulty: 4 Aftermarket Support: 4 Donor Car(s): Silvia K (japan) Stock Horsepower: 217hp (220ps) @ 6000rpm Stock Torque: 202lb/ft (28.0kgm) @ 4800rpm Redline: 7,500rpm Good: slightly better output than the S13 SR20DET Bad: VVT can be an issue when modifying heavily, aluminum block Engine Cost: $4,000-5,000 Install Cost: $1,000-2,000 Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 350-500hp SR20DE-T (S15) [more info] Swap Difficulty: 4 Aftermarket Support: 4 Donor Car(s): Silvia K (japan) Stock Horsepower: 247hp (250ps) @ 6400rpm Stock Torque: 202lb/ft @ 4800rpm Redline: 7,500rpm Good: ~250hp stock, usually very low mileage, better condition than s13 or s14 engines (in most cases) Bad: 6 speed tranny is somewhat weak, so if you plan to increase the hp much you want to swap it for the ka tranny or an s13/14 tranny, VVT can be an issue when modifying heavily, aluminum block Engine Cost: $5,000-6,000 Install Cost: $1,000-2,000 Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 350-500hp RB20DE-T [more info] Swap Difficulty: 3 Aftermarket Support: 3 Donor Car(s): Skyline R31 Stock Horsepower: 207hp (210ps) @ 5600rpm Stock Torque: 180lb/ft (25.0kgm) @ 4000rpm Redline: 8,000rpm Good: deeper engine sound, stronger than the SR20DET, more stock horsepower, iron block Bad: cost Engine Cost: $2,500-3,000 Install Cost: $2,000-2,500 Aftermarket Support: Fair Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 400-450hp RB25DE-T [more info] Swap Difficulty: 3 Aftermarket Support: 3 Donor Car(s): Skyline GT-S (R32, R33, R34) Stock Horsepower: 247hp (250ps) @ 6000rpm Stock Torque: 217lb/ft (30kgm) @ 4800rpm Redline: 8,000rpm Good: deeper engine sound, stronger than the SR20DET, more stock horsepower, iron block Bad: cost, replacement parts availability Engine Cost: $5,000-6,500 Install Cost: $2,500-3,000 Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 400-450hp RB26DE-TT [more info] Swap Difficulty: 2 Aftermarket Support: 4 Donor Car(s): Skyline GTR (R32,R33,R34) Stock Horsepower: 316hp (320ps) @ 6800rpm Stock Torque: 289lb/ft (40.0kgm) @ 4400rpm Redline: 8,000rpm Good: huge potential, high horsepower stock, iron block Bad: AWD tranny can't be used without lots of modification and custom work. TT setup can be retained, but it's much easier to convert it to a single turbo. RB25 tranny (5 speed rather than RB26 6 speed) because of clearence and fit issues. Engine Cost: $7,000-8,000 Install Cost: ~$3,000 (AWD and TT setup will be in excess of $15,000 for install) Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 500-600hp RB30DE-T (hybrid) [more info | head conversion how-to] Swap Difficulty: 3 Aftermarket Support: 3 Donor Car(s): Australian (block; RB30ET 3.0L SOHC) / Skyline GTR or GTS-T (head; RB25, RB26, or RB20) Stock Horsepower: ?hp (?ps) @ ???rpm Stock Torque: ?lb/ft (?kgm) @ ???rpm Redline: Good: good potential, iron block, cheap engine, when modified produces large hp numbers at low revs Bad: age, replacement parts availability, block is hard to find, RB20 head requires lots of work to fit correctly Engine Cost: n/a Install Cost: ~3,000 Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 350-400hp VG30DE-TT [more info] Swap Difficulty: 3 Aftermarket Support: 4 Donor Car(s): 300ZX TT Stock Horsepower: 300hp (304ps) @ 6400rpm Stock Torque: 283lb/ft (39.3kgm) @ 3600rpm Redline: Good: very unique and a decent engine for heavy modification Bad: huge cost for custom fabrication Engine Cost: $4,000-6,000 Install Cost: $10,000-20,000+ Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 450-550hp VQ30DE(K) [more info] Swap Difficulty: 2 Aftermarket Support: 3 Donor Car(s): VQ30DE in A32 Maxima(1995-1999 US model), VQ30DEK in A33 Maxima(2000-2001 US models) Stock Horsepower: 190 hp @ 5600 rpm(A32 VQ30DE), 222hp @ 6400rpm(A33 VQ30DEK) Stock Torque: 205 lb ft @ 4000 rpm(A32 VQ30DE), 217 lb ft @ 4000rpm(A33 VQ30DEK) Redline: 8,000 rpm Good: Can be cheap, good low-end, lightweight, very turbo friendly for an NA motor. Bad: Aluminum block, lack of top end on non DEK motors. Note: Can be fixed with variable intake manifold from Courtesy Nissan. Needs Pathfinder tranny. Engine Cost: $400+ Install Cost: N/A Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): 350-400hp VQ35DE [more info] Swap Difficulty: 2 Aftermarket Support: 2 Donor Car(s): 350Z, G35, kouki Maxima, kouki Altima, kouki Pathfinder Stock Horsepower: 287hp (291ps) @ 6,200rpm (350z/G35), 245hp (249ps) @ 5,800rpm (Altima) Stock Torque: 274lb/ft (38.0kgm) @ 4,800rpm (350z/G35), 246lb/ft (34.2kgm) @ 4,400rpm (Altima) Redline: 6,600rpm Good: very unique and a decent engine for heavy modification Bad: huge cost for custom fabrication, engine taken from a kouki Altima or Maxima will need a RWD trans Engine Cost: $5,000-7,500 Install Cost: $10,000-20,000+ Aftermarket Support: Fair Modified Horsepower Ceiling (stock internals): n/a (350-400hp est.) |
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Z Car Freak (S30)
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http://www.zilvia.net/faqs/faqs.asp
- Scanned Parts Catalog in GIF Format - Scanned Factory Service Manuals in PDF format - Wiring Diagrams http://www.srswap.com/ (Really good site , Lots of info n Picture) - Look in (SR Install FAQ ) Which SR20DET to buy? How much does it cost? What parts are needed? Step-by-Step Install Guide Payment & Shipping info Wiring Information Auto Manual transmission swap Trouble Shooting Guide Old FAQ Here Parts Cross Reference MAF Wiring Charts Ignitor Wiring Charts Factory Service Manual FSM - All 240SX model (175mb file) http://www.neteasier.com/240sxfsm.zip S13 & S14 Nissan parts catalog http://www.ctech.ca/npclub/s13parts/ http://www.ctech.ca/npclub/s14parts/ Specs of 240SX (s13 and s14) I'am updating the link of Develish.. S13 http://forums.neo240sx.ca/viewforum.php?f=7 S14 http://forums.neo240sx.ca/viewforum.php?f=8 sr20det ECU pinout From tru on npclub 1 Coil pack 1 output (via power transistor Unit) 2 Coil pack 2 output (via power transistor Unit) 3 Tachometer signal output 4 ECCS relay 5 Ignition pulse monitor (for trip comp ?) 6 Ignition Signal Ground 7 RX data (signal from Nissan Consult hand terminal) 8 Coil pack 3 output (via power transistor Unit) 9 Coil pack 4 output (via power transistor Unit) 10 - 11 - 12 A/T signal DT3 (autotrans gear select ?) 13 Ignition Signal Ground 14 CLK clock (timing signal) ? 15 TX data (signal to Nissan Consult hand terminal) 16 AFM Signal input (air flow meter) 17 AFM ground 18 Water temp sensor input 19 Oxygen Sensor input (O2) 20 TPS input (throttle position sensor) 21 Sensor ground 22 CAS 180deg signal (crank angle sensor) 23 CHK check (check start) ? 24 Monitor check lamp (Red) (fault code lamp output) 25 Exhaust over temp warning lamp output 26 Exhaust temp sensor input (behind the Cat) 27 Detonation sensor input (knock sensor) 28 TPS for A/T (kick down switch) 29 Sensor ground 30 CAS 180deg signal (crank angle sensor) 31 CAS 1deg signal (crank angle sensor) 32 Speed sensor input 33 - 34 START signal (from ignition switch) 35 A/T neutral switch input 36 IGN (ignition ON, from ignition switch) 37 TPS power output (power to throttle position sensor) 38 ECCS power 39 ECCS ground 40 CAS 1deg signal (crank angle sensor) 41 A/C on input (Air Con ON from A/C panel or climate control) 42 A/T signal DT1 (auto trans gear select ?) 43 Power steering switch (speed proportional control output) 44 A/T signal DT1 (auto trans gear select ?) 45 Ambient air temp sensor input 46 ECCS backup power 47 ECCS power 48 ECCS ground 101 Injector No 1 drive output 102 EAI control solenoid output (EGR valve control ?) 103 Injector No 3 drive output 104 Fuel pump relay output 105 Fuel pressure control module 106 A/C on output (Air Conditioner on relay signal) 107 Injector ground 108 Injector ground 109 Reverse electrical flow return circuit (alternator fail input ?) 110 Injector No 2 drive output 111 Turbo boost pressure control solenoid (over boost cut ?) 112 Injector No 4 drive output 113 AAC valve control (Auxiliary Air Control, idle speed control) 114 - 115 - 116 Injector ground ca18det ECU pinout From tru on npclub ECU PINS - Description of use 1 - Coil pack 1 output (via power transistor Unit) 2 - Coil pack 2 output (via power transistor Unit) 3 - Coil pack 3 output (via power transistor Unit) 5 - Boost pressure control solenoid (domestic Japanese cars only, not Euro models) 6 - Air conditioner relay 7 - Tacho drive output to tachometer 8 - Variable intake butterfly control solenoid (domestic Japanese cars only, not Euro models) 10 - Ground 11 - Coil pack 4 output (via power transistor Unit) 16 - ECCS system relay (earth = on) 17 - Injector pulse duty output (to trip computer for fuel usage measurement) 18 - Fuel pump relay (earth = on) 20 - Ground 23 - Knock sensor input 26 - Air flow meter pin B (ground ?) 27 - Air flow meter pin A 28 - Coolant temp sensor input 29 - Oxygen sensor input (unleaded catalyzer model only) 30 - Sensor earth 32 - Check lamp output to check connector (green) 33 - Check lamp output to check connector (red) 37 - Air flow meter pin D (non cat models ? ) 38 - Throttle Position Sensor potentiometer (wiper) 41 - Crank angle sensor 180 deg input 42 - Crank angle sensor 1 deg input 43 - start signal (cranking) from ignition switch 44 - Neutral(manual) / park(auto) gearbox switch signal 45 - Ignition On switch signal 46 - Air conditioner thermostat input (ECU controls AC activation) 47 - To check connector ????? 48 - TPS potentiometer battery output (5 volt?) 49 - Battery from ECCS relay 50 - Ground 51 - Crank angle sensor 180 deg input 52 - Crank angle sensor 1 deg input 53 - Speed sensor input via the speedometer 54 - TPS switch (throttle idle position) 55 - Ambient air temp sensor input (sensor is in front of radiator) 56 - ????? 57 - TPS switch (full throttle position)Auto trans? (kick down switch) 58 - battery, unswitched 59 - battery from ECCS relay 60 - Ground 101 - Injector No 1 drive output 103 - Injector No 3 drive output 106 - AAC (aux/idle air control) valve output 107 - Injector drive ground 108 - Injector drive ground 109 - Battery from ECCS relay 110 - Injector No 2 drive output 111 - ? CA18DET A/T ? or pressure reg control valve? 112 - Injector No 4 drive output 115 - Heater output for O2 sensor (unleaded catalyzer model only) 116 - Injector drive ground 240sx brake upgrade SPECS http://www.npclub.com/bb/showthread...=&threadid=8001 Reading the fault codes on your CA18DET ECU http://www.npclub.com/bb/showthread...=&threadid=8074 300ZX (Z32) brake conversion for 240SX http://www.npclub.com/bb/showthread...=&threadid=6665 S13 Silvia Front End Conversion info http://sr20.hybrids.jp/installations/silvia_front/ ECU Wiring Diagram for 240SX 91-92-93 http://www.ctech.ca/npclub/npclub/r...ecu-diagram.jpg How-To do a Self test KA24DE ECU diagnostic (french) http://www.npclub.com/bb/showthread...=&threadid=4548 |
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Z Car Freak (S30)
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Some little info on the KA... http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/FAQ_KA.htm KA24DE Turbo http://www.back-yard-productions.com/CONROY.htm Nissan Engine Info... http://sr20det.nismo.org/nissanengines.htm More KA24DE Turbos... http://www.socal240sx.org/articles/superstreet0801.html SR20 FAQ's http://srswap.com/faq2.htm http://srswap.com/faq.htm Auto-Manual Tranny swap (especially the wiring). Plus other excellent info on KA24DE/KA24DET, brake swap, VLSD swap, hacked MAF.......etc http://www.ka24development.com/index.html |
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Dorifto Pic King
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Thats some GREAT info but im just wondering how is it easier to swap in a RB26dett than to swap an sr20 ?
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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yea also on your scale its easier to drop in the vq35de in the 240??? you might need to change your difficulty ratings. But damn good info reguardless.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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ALright, I have a 1993 240sx, with an s13 sr20det. How hard would it be to put an S14 sr20 in it? Im thinking of buying the whole front clips, so that may help... thanks
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great info
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another 240 owner
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none of the links work.
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: MD
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