ae86 or silvia?

[silviafreak]

ae86 or silvia?

[epicz]

silvia or ae86 ummmmmm silvia!!!!!!!!!

[Craftsman]

It's personal taste...

AE86s aren't going to have lots of power. Even if you do 4AGZE and drop on a turbo, you're still not going to have gobs and gobs of power. But this car is a cult car of drifting. Keiichi made sure it was...

S13, S14s are relatively cheap, abundant, and have tons of aftermarket support. Everyone who checks these forums already know how much power these engines are capable of and what these cars can do.

FC3S, FD3S are expensive to deal with. Well the FC3Ss aren't that bad, but have fun with the rotaries. Make sure you have friends or shops who know what they're doing when you do anything more than bolt-ons. FC3S has a tough to drift rear suspension also from what I understand. 13Bs aren't very durable either...

Matt.

[240drftr]

id go with the silvia. they are pretty cheap and have a huge selection of aftermarket parts. but like craftsmen said, its all about personal taste. although ae86's dont preduce much power id still like to have one. but between the silvia and ae86 id go with the silvia. but what do i know?

[Darkstar]

Ahh, the infamous "What-Car-Should-I-Choose-Guys-I-Don't-Want-To-Move-My-*Censored**Censored**Censored*-And-Check-It-Myself". Jesus, how many of those?

Alright, back to the topic: as Craftsman wrote, the 86's not going to have lots of power, but that's not the point for a driftcar. Most of the 86's in D1 for example have around 200HP and are mostly naturally aspirated. As you can see, it's not about a badass turbo or fat torque, but about the balance of a free-revving 4AGE (redtop hi-comp + Keihin carbs or ITB's, mmmph ) connected to a car that is lightweight, cheap, and has TONS of aftermarket potential (from air filters to sick J-Blood carbon doors), just like the Silvia. And one more thing: please don't choose the 86 as a driftcar only because of the cartoons with guys racing with R32's and winning it... I personally like Initial D (I have all the episodes ), but choosing a car like that is ridiculous.

I won't say much about the Silvia, because most of the guys here at drifting.com know more than an assembler in a Japanese factory.

I hope you choose the 86 and convert it to a true drifter's car.

Regards,
D.

[ferny]

i just got me a ae86 and i mean like everyone said its more maintanence and wayyy more expensive den a silvia,... although i love silvias as well ae86's are getting harder and or more expensive to get! but for a fact in the later future hachi rokus are gonna be more looked for since they are basically the car that people started to drift with and is still competing with big 500hp turbo cars... so like they said its not about power...

[epicz]

wow even though drak star posted some bs on my thread he has a good point the hachi roku has won di champin ships. and i am a intial d fan too

[epicz]

wait i ment the u dont need a lot of power to drift.the hachi that won d1 had 200hp

[Tuner]

Originally posted by epicz
wait i ment the u dont need a lot of power to drift.the hachi that won d1 had 200hp

That's twice than stock output

[Darkstar]

Doesn't matter how much is it if you can't use it! It's not like everybody wants to have power and torque, I've heard an opinion that some of the 86 freaks in Japan would prefer a mildly tuned 140HP bluetop with TVIS (Toyota Variable Intake System*) 16 valve over a stock blacktop (20 Valve with ITB's). It all depends on the driving preferences and purpuses the car is being built for.

Epicz, as for your topic, please, do not make such ones in the future. This kind of threads pisses me off, really...

1* A system using secondary intake ports for each cylunder to deliver more air in the higher rpm ranges for better engine characteristics...

EDIT: Corrected mistake

[epicz]

Originally posted by Darkstar
Doesn't matter how much is it if you can't use it! It's not like everybody wants to have power and torque, I've heard an opinion that some of the 86 freaks in Japan would prefer a mildly tuned 140HP bluetop with TVIS (Toyota Variable Intake System*) 16 valve over a stock blacktop (20 Valve with ITB's). It all depends on the driving preferences and purpuses the car is being built for.

Epicz, as for your topic, please, do not make such ones in the future. This kind of threads pisses me off, really...

1* A system using secondary intake ports for each cylunder to deliver more air in the higher rpm ranges for better engine characteristics...

EDIT: Corrected mistake

well for any one who cares go to my thread and tell this kid that hes wrong for even posting on it.look at this post im quoting do u see tech names yes yes u do im sure some plp dont know wut that shiz is i get asked that all the time and i thoght it would be helpfull if i just made the thread for plp who want to learn and mabey i could pick up some stuff also.and u act like its in ur face like a pop up if u dont like the post just hit back wtf is ur problem the title was very clear "engine codes and body codes"why did u click on it.or do u just like talking *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*.

[rotarydrftr]

hahah they're at it again well i'd go with a silvia and get a s15 front end conversion. also they are easier to matain than the hachi.

[cnichols]

What makes the Hachi so hard to maintain exactly? It should be easier than maintaining any turbo car. A little N/A 1.6 DOHC that seems to last forever doesn't seem like a lot of maintenance. Am I missing something here?

[Ghost of Duluth]

wow even though drak star posted some bs on my thread he has a good point the hachi roku has won di champin ships. and i am a intial d fan too

well for any one who cares go to my thread and tell this kid that hes wrong for even posting on it.look at this post im quoting do u see tech names yes yes u do im sure some plp dont know wut that shiz is i get asked that all the time and i thoght it would be helpfull if i just made the thread for plp who want to learn and mabey i could pick up some stuff also.and u act like its in ur face like a pop up if u dont like the post just hit back wtf is ur problem the title was very clear "engine codes and body codes"why did u click on it.or do u just like talking *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*.

Excuse me, what did you just say???? I mean, not in a mad tone either, what did you really just say? I can't understand one bit of it. Is this leet or some kind of Klingon dialect only known in the Gamma region of Altus 9?

im 14 but i have cars in my blood

This may be your problem. Young people get so excited and they tend to use this strange speech, perform some nasty run on sentencing and get aggitated easily when confronted. Like a kid after eating a bag of Halloween candy.

Here's some advice, before you go off on someone, try checking yourself first. Nothing looks more stupid than someone trying to bust on somebody with a gibberish post. Try spelling things correctly, punctuating and just generally making sense, you'll get much more respect when posting that way.

[NismoSigma]

Is it just me or does the "URBAN" culture have trouble spelling easy words? Just speak regular English!! As for the car, I suggest you get a 240. It is alot easier to maintain and easier to drift in. The ae86 has recently getting way out of hand when it comes to theyre price, so just get a cheap 5spd 240 and your set!

PS-Darkstar, start taking your meds again, you get angry at posts.

[cnichols]

Originally posted by NismoSigma
Is it just me or does the "URBAN" culture have trouble spelling easy words? Just speak regular English!! As for the car, I suggest you get a 240. It is alot easier to maintain and easier to drift in. The ae86 has recently getting way out of hand when it comes to theyre price, so just get a cheap 5spd 240 and your set!

PS-Darkstar, start taking your meds again, you get angry at posts.

If you're going to criticize someone's spelling, you might want to make sure that your own is correct:

It's "their", not "they're". Also, "you're", not "your" in this case.

But back on topic...nobody has answered my question as to why a 240 is easier to maintain than an AE86. If you're talking about a stock 240 with an N/A KA24, then I might agree that they are on equal footing as far as maintenance is concerned. But it still doesn't make sense why it would be any easier to maintain, especially if you're comparing it to a swapped 240 w/ a turbo motor. Stock parts for both cars are readily available at any local parts store or dealership, no?

[Darkstar]

I heard that the stock KA24-powered 240SX can last for a lot of time if treated well. Well, it isn't a high-powered car, so there's no unnecessary stress on the internals, right? A stock SR20DET would be harder to maintain only because of the turbo, which makes you warm and cool the car before and after you drive it.

What is so hard to maintain on a 1.6 liter Hachiroku? If you use the original parts and service it regularly, then there shouldn't be that much problems. I know, these cars can be 20 years old, but if it's protected from rust, then it should be THAT wrong.

Epicz, call me whatever you want, but please, don't talk trash at the forum. And if you would like to, you can always use PM's...

[SidewaysGts]

The 86 is a 20 year old car, and if you tried to save money by buying a "cheaper" 86, i paromise you parts will either break- or be broken.

If yo uwant a clean 86 in great condition which needs little work- expect to fork out about 3-4000.

Added: Some stuff about the 86 (just read all the stuff before this)

These cars are pretty reliable- and their engiens will take a CRAP load of abuse (i love mine for that very reason) but, as i siad they are a 20 year old car. things will need to be fixed or replaced. You can have a "decent" 86 for around 2000 bucks, but i garuntee you unless you personally know the guy and hes doing you a favor, or you found the few who dont know what they have and took care of it- your goign to need to spend about 1000 into fixing things.

The 86 makes around 120 horsepower stock, and with some good bolt on parts you can get around 140 hp. With some decent came work you can pull out about 160- but that will be your limit unless you get a aftermarket ecu (The stock ecu has a pre-programed fuel curve when the car is at full throttle, which is why you cant really break 160 without a new ecu). And around 180-190 horsepower is about the limit youll be able to get these cars too without seriously swapping out the internals. Ueos 86 which one D1 had 180 horsepower.

Those who say these cars are extremly hard to drift- just dont know much about drifting. You dont have a lot of power to fool around with, so to drift good in this you need to rely only on steering and weight shifting work. If you know the basics to drifting (which youll probably learn by using this car) youll be able to drift fine. And if you can drift an 86 good- you can drift anything

240 is just a newer car- needs less work, makes good power. Theres really no "downs" to it compared to the 86. If your not a real enthusiast of the 86, youll find yourself soon selling it.