Long, or short wheel base?

djnarush · 10-04-2004, 05:19 PM

ok, so yeah, i drive a pick up..
an extended cab pick up.....
my wheel base is a tad longer than most of yours....
i saw the same truck as mine at a dealer around my house..
standard cab.... thinking about pickin it up..... but my question

how does wheel base effect drifting

malcolm · 10-06-2004, 06:49 AM

the shorter the wheel-base, the faster it will turn, but it will also get more twitchy at the same time. A longer wheel base slows things down, so drifts become easier, but it takes longer for you to get the vehicle sideways.

djnarush · 10-07-2004, 11:04 AM

man.. good info...

now i feel better about mah truck...
so basically.. its like a turbo..
a smaller turbo spools quick, but has a smaller boost
where a larger, takes longer to spool, but has higher boost...

so the longer wheels base will be a lil more stable @ higher speeds?

malcolm · 10-07-2004, 12:56 PM

yup. you'll have very smooth drifts, but you'll have a problem when you get to a tighter series of corners in trying to get the beast rotated, and more importantly, transitioning from a tight turn to another tight turn in the opposite direction. Good vehicle to learn the basics in.

djnarush · 10-07-2004, 01:34 PM

thank you.. the funny thing about me drifting my truck...
either people
THINK ITS DIFFERENT AND VERY COOL
or people
THINK IM THE DUMBEST PERSON ON THIS PLANET FOR TRYING TO DRIFT A TRUCK...

Darkstar · 10-07-2004, 01:47 PM

Well, you can always reply to those people who think that was that there are several pickups drifting out there in Japan... There was one 180SX converted to a pickup last year, but I don't remember who was driving it... Doesn't matter. Good luck with the car, it's great to be different from the others.

Pennyman · 10-07-2004, 04:33 PM

Can't really use the e-brake in a truck, unless you stomp on the e-brake petal and then pop it open real quick, hehe, that would be funny to watch. *acts out motion with left foot and left hand* "dididididid, pop". hehe

I'm not mocking you, I think drifting a truck is awesome. Just wish there were more leafspring to coilover kits.

djnarush · 10-07-2004, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pennyman
Can't really use the e-brake in a truck, unless you stomp on the e-brake petal and then pop it open real quick, hehe, that would be funny to watch. *acts out motion with left foot and left hand* "dididididid, pop". hehe

I'm not mocking you, I think drifting a truck is awesome. Just wish there were more leafspring to coilover kits.

i really dont want to be rude....
but seriously.. no one mentioned using the e brake...

also, on the tacoma.. the e brake is a handle under the dash

SidewaysGts · 10-07-2004, 07:06 PM

Im one of those who thinks its awesome and this info is good to know.

If you have anymoe pictures of you on the track id be interested in seeing; iuts always great to see something no one uses and unexpected doing what opther say it shouldnt be doing (if its done properly at least)

djnarush · 10-07-2004, 07:10 PM

thanks, and here are the few i have
http://www.rushbaby.com/narush/truck/drifting/

SidewaysGts · 10-07-2004, 07:51 PM

Very good pics and viedeos, not bad considering what you have. A shorterwheel base would definetley help, unless yo ufeel youd rather practice on what you have and learn on that.

LexmarkX73 · 10-07-2004, 07:54 PM

i dont really understand the people who think its stupid... rwd, super light rear end.. a new truck is more reliable than a 20 year old corolla :P

SidewaysGts · 10-07-2004, 09:20 PM

And whats wrong with my 86

I resent that, theres a stock gts at the junkyard with 320xxx miles on it... put that in ur reliability pipe and smoke it

mine currently has 220xxx

djnarush · 10-08-2004, 04:53 PM

and me complaining about 79K

_PG_ · 10-08-2004, 05:31 PM

Sideways GTS, that truck has a lot of front weight dist, how come you aren't raggin on him, but you'll claim my examples of a JZX110 have too front bias?

Anwyas, DJnarush... stop with the Ninja handa dude! Turn in, kick the clutch let the wheel slide through your hands.., ANTICIPATE when you want your truck to stop rotating and catch the wheel and hold it there.

Don't be so frantic, and also you need to start anticipating, bro. If you wait until it starts you'll counter too late!

djnarush · 10-08-2004, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by _PG_
Anwyas, DJnarush... stop with the Ninja handa dude! Turn in, kick the clutch let the wheel slide through your hands.., ANTICIPATE when you want your truck to stop rotating and catch the wheel and hold it there.

Don't be so frantic, and also you need to start anticipating, bro. If you wait until it starts you'll counter too late! [/B]

let me rephrase my original thought(1st post in this thread)

Hey guys, Im thinking about buying a 1998 toyota tacoma standard cab. and just swapping the parts to the standard cab(short base) from my extended cab(long base)

for drifting would it be worth going through all this trouble for a shorter wheel base?
If so, if not.. why?

i know I should just go out there and do it...
which i try as often as i can
i just wanted to know the effects of a longer, and shorter wheel bases so i may be an informed driver...
im new to drifting, and i have questions.....
and i have a LOT to learn
i want to understand the mechanics, and physics involved...
I want to explore the options avaliable to me....
which are not many at all.. try finding drifting parts for an extended cab 1998 toyota tacoma 5 speed 2.4L

i know i should just go out and do it...
im just being very decisive, and trying to make informed decisions before i spend money on drifting...

SidewaysGts · 10-08-2004, 06:42 PM

No reason to, thats all down to driver preference. i dont believe this car will ever amount to anything "great" when it comes to drifting but i think hes doing pretty well considering what it is.

I see this for the originality aspect of it and i love it

Pennyman · 10-08-2004, 08:18 PM

Dude in terms of the e-brake, I know you don't HAVE to use it. Hell my Z has a e-brake that hardly works anyway. I just thought the motion would be funny.

JunpoweR · 10-11-2004, 11:40 PM

DUDE DRIFT IT first time i learned stick shift I drifted or shall i say fish tailed a truck when i was 15 also my friends oldeer brother lent me his turbo II 89 black when i was a freshman at lowell high school in sf mann that was like in 92'lol anyways my advice is here!!

Put some weight on the back to balance weight out..
camper shell would be nice.hatch is lighter but tighter.

get more power like a turbo kit or full exhaust
you need to improve your power so you can get more speed for the turns.

Stiffer suspention. mabey 600\700 lb springs and some shocks.

does it have LSD ?? if not get one or weld the open diff so both wheels are locked and spinning..well only if it's a drift car..

But sick and youre learning I might say.as you get better and make the car faster you will do better I believe!!so go practice hard..!!

CrazyHawaiian · 10-12-2004, 01:02 AM

I think malcolm covered it pretty good. My only experience with short vs long wheelbase is mustang vs camaro and I prefer the longer wheelbase camaro even though the mustang was much more nimble.

djnarush · 10-12-2004, 07:39 AM

im waiting for my garret hybrid to come back...
I have a turbo supra lsd installed...
i have a cat back 3" straight...
once i get the turbo back, im prob going to go 3" all the way

SidewaysGts · 10-12-2004, 01:13 PM

I was surprised to find out a friend of mine has been in the top 3 almost every time hes been into a drift competition with no lsd.

Also keep in mind intake/exhaust mods will do more then jsut power, throttle response is a nice plus as well.

JunpoweR · 10-12-2004, 04:36 PM

Yea i seen people do it with opendiff but this truck needs it i think imo.anyways opendiff drifting is very possible and sometimes more controlled..

SidewaysGts · 10-12-2004, 06:13 PM

the driver i mentioned above uses an na s5 fc

hachiroku-fc3s · 10-18-2004, 04:27 PM

This isn't as important unless you intend to turn pro with your truck at some point in time, but the length of the vehicle also affects the appearance of the drift. If you have ever drifted a miata and watched your drifting ( I have ), you have to get your tail out more to get a "sideways" appearance. Also you are talking about a truck, so it prob won't be a factor, just contributing.

10-04-2004, 05:19 PM	#1
djnarush Truck Drifter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 132	Long, or short wheel base? ok, so yeah, i drive a pick up.. an extended cab pick up..... my wheel base is a tad longer than most of yours.... i saw the same truck as mine at a dealer around my house.. standard cab.... thinking about pickin it up..... but my question how does wheel base effect drifting

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10-06-2004, 06:49 AM	#2
malcolm Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: ontario canada Posts: 471	the shorter the wheel-base, the faster it will turn, but it will also get more twitchy at the same time. A longer wheel base slows things down, so drifts become easier, but it takes longer for you to get the vehicle sideways.

10-07-2004, 11:04 AM	#3
djnarush Truck Drifter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 132	man.. good info... now i feel better about mah truck... so basically.. its like a turbo.. a smaller turbo spools quick, but has a smaller boost where a larger, takes longer to spool, but has higher boost... so the longer wheels base will be a lil more stable @ higher speeds?

10-07-2004, 12:56 PM	#4
malcolm Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: ontario canada Posts: 471	yup. you'll have very smooth drifts, but you'll have a problem when you get to a tighter series of corners in trying to get the beast rotated, and more importantly, transitioning from a tight turn to another tight turn in the opposite direction. Good vehicle to learn the basics in.

10-07-2004, 01:34 PM	#5
djnarush Truck Drifter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 132	thank you.. the funny thing about me drifting my truck... either people THINK ITS DIFFERENT AND VERY COOL or people THINK IM THE DUMBEST PERSON ON THIS PLANET FOR TRYING TO DRIFT A TRUCK...

10-07-2004, 01:47 PM	#6
Darkstar Post idiot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 260	Well, you can always reply to those people who think that was that there are several pickups drifting out there in Japan... There was one 180SX converted to a pickup last year, but I don't remember who was driving it... Doesn't matter. Good luck with the car, it's great to be different from the others.

10-07-2004, 04:33 PM	#7
Pennyman A ring a ding ding... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 380	Can't really use the e-brake in a truck, unless you stomp on the e-brake petal and then pop it open real quick, hehe, that would be funny to watch. acts out motion with left foot and left hand "dididididid, pop". hehe I'm not mocking you, I think drifting a truck is awesome. Just wish there were more leafspring to coilover kits.

10-07-2004, 07:06 PM	#9
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	Im one of those who thinks its awesome and this info is good to know. If you have anymoe pictures of you on the track id be interested in seeing; iuts always great to see something no one uses and unexpected doing what opther say it shouldnt be doing (if its done properly at least)

10-07-2004, 07:10 PM	#10
djnarush Truck Drifter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 132	thanks, and here are the few i have http://www.rushbaby.com/narush/truck/drifting/

10-07-2004, 07:51 PM	#11
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	Very good pics and viedeos, not bad considering what you have. A shorterwheel base would definetley help, unless yo ufeel youd rather practice on what you have and learn on that.

10-07-2004, 07:54 PM	#12
LexmarkX73 noob Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: computer Posts: 250	i dont really understand the people who think its stupid... rwd, super light rear end.. a new truck is more reliable than a 20 year old corolla :P

10-07-2004, 09:20 PM	#13
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	And whats wrong with my 86 I resent that, theres a stock gts at the junkyard with 320xxx miles on it... put that in ur reliability pipe and smoke it mine currently has 220xxx

10-08-2004, 04:53 PM	#14
djnarush Truck Drifter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 132	and me complaining about 79K

10-08-2004, 05:31 PM	#15
_PG_ Got a date with Lady Luck Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The sucky CA Posts: 427	Sideways GTS, that truck has a lot of front weight dist, how come you aren't raggin on him, but you'll claim my examples of a JZX110 have too front bias? Anwyas, DJnarush... stop with the Ninja handa dude! Turn in, kick the clutch let the wheel slide through your hands.., ANTICIPATE when you want your truck to stop rotating and catch the wheel and hold it there. Don't be so frantic, and also you need to start anticipating, bro. If you wait until it starts you'll counter too late!

10-08-2004, 06:42 PM	#17
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	No reason to, thats all down to driver preference. i dont believe this car will ever amount to anything "great" when it comes to drifting but i think hes doing pretty well considering what it is. I see this for the originality aspect of it and i love it

10-08-2004, 08:18 PM	#18
Pennyman A ring a ding ding... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 380	Dude in terms of the e-brake, I know you don't HAVE to use it. Hell my Z has a e-brake that hardly works anyway. I just thought the motion would be funny.

10-11-2004, 11:40 PM	#19
JunpoweR Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ~San~Francisco~415~510~ Posts: 434	DUDE DRIFT IT first time i learned stick shift I drifted or shall i say fish tailed a truck when i was 15 also my friends oldeer brother lent me his turbo II 89 black when i was a freshman at lowell high school in sf mann that was like in 92'lol anyways my advice is here!! Put some weight on the back to balance weight out.. camper shell would be nice.hatch is lighter but tighter. get more power like a turbo kit or full exhaust you need to improve your power so you can get more speed for the turns. Stiffer suspention. mabey 600\700 lb springs and some shocks. does it have LSD ?? if not get one or weld the open diff so both wheels are locked and spinning..well only if it's a drift car.. But sick and youre learning I might say.as you get better and make the car faster you will do better I believe!!so go practice hard..!!

10-12-2004, 01:02 AM	#20
CrazyHawaiian Sample One Time!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 1,276	I think malcolm covered it pretty good. My only experience with short vs long wheelbase is mustang vs camaro and I prefer the longer wheelbase camaro even though the mustang was much more nimble.

10-12-2004, 07:39 AM	#21
djnarush Truck Drifter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 132	im waiting for my garret hybrid to come back... I have a turbo supra lsd installed... i have a cat back 3" straight... once i get the turbo back, im prob going to go 3" all the way

10-12-2004, 01:13 PM	#22
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	I was surprised to find out a friend of mine has been in the top 3 almost every time hes been into a drift competition with no lsd. Also keep in mind intake/exhaust mods will do more then jsut power, throttle response is a nice plus as well.

10-12-2004, 04:36 PM	#23
JunpoweR Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ~San~Francisco~415~510~ Posts: 434	Yea i seen people do it with opendiff but this truck needs it i think imo.anyways opendiff drifting is very possible and sometimes more controlled..

10-12-2004, 06:13 PM	#24
SidewaysGts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	the driver i mentioned above uses an na s5 fc

10-18-2004, 04:27 PM	#25
hachiroku-fc3s Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: D/FW TX Posts: 549	This isn't as important unless you intend to turn pro with your truck at some point in time, but the length of the vehicle also affects the appearance of the drift. If you have ever drifted a miata and watched your drifting ( I have ), you have to get your tail out more to get a "sideways" appearance. Also you are talking about a truck, so it prob won't be a factor, just contributing.