Racing belts + no roll cage

Appleseed · 11-01-2004, 06:48 PM

I've done alot of reading about these things and how install them correctly. And that if they aren't right they can kill you in an accident. I don't want to cage my car as the odds of a rollover are low and a cage is a pain with a 4 door. Sparco (I think) has a bar that attaches to the stock shoulder belt position and to the floor near the seat brackets. It spans the area between so you can loop or bolt the belts to it. I know that they'll never make one for my car, but it could be welded up fairly easy.Is this a good idea? Or am I wasting my time?

Reckless Hero · 11-01-2004, 07:05 PM

http://www.soloracer.com/rallyecross.html
these are street legal because on strap is supposed to releas and act like a 3 point if an impact happens so u are able to lean over if u do flip

Appleseed · 11-01-2004, 07:09 PM

Cool, but what I was thinking was were they attach to? Some sort of roll bar is needed, right? I've seen them attached to the seat bolts and thats a no-no.

Reckless Hero · 11-01-2004, 07:25 PM

it dosnet matter where they can be mounted so long as its above 45 dgrees directly behind the drivers seat is what most say. lol i think their are a few diagrams on there too

Wickdmarz · 11-01-2004, 08:14 PM

Dude if you want a harness make sure its 3 in wide or theres really no point. Its a standard in racing.

But why wouldn't a harness be streetlegal?? Doesn't make sense to me.

Anyways why would you want it to release like a 3 point?? So you can lean over when you flip?? So you can basically get whip-lash or pound your head into something?

But I kinda understand if you don't have a rollcage, I guess you can lean forward and not have the roof crush you. But I highly doubt someone can react that fast, since you're flipping your body weight will fly in any direction, so its unpredictable.

Parry · 11-01-2004, 11:53 PM

you're not leaning anywhere...you're just going to bounce off hte roof and get pushed out of the way, instead of bounce into the roof and smush when you are held in place.

Not the worst idea I've ever heard for sure.

Appleseed · 11-02-2004, 12:39 PM

After market belts of any kind aren't street legal anywhere! They want you to use OEM belts. I'll feal real safe in my old muscle car with some crappy old style belt.

Wickdmarz · 11-02-2004, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Appleseed
After market belts of any kind aren't street legal anywhere! They want you to use OEM belts. I'll feal real safe in my old muscle car with some crappy old style belt.

Hmm that doesn't make any sense, if properly secured it would be safer. But whatever the law makes no sense, I would argue with an officer if he ever pulled me over for that.

Appleseed · 11-02-2004, 01:12 PM

I agree. I don't think most cop with any sence will care.

Darkstar · 11-02-2004, 02:03 PM

Cops don't mind about racing harnesses in cars here in Europe, at least when they are safely attached to the body and/or something else like the Sparco bar (check it out at sparcousa.com).

mranlet · 11-03-2004, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Appleseed
I've done alot of reading about these things and how install them correctly. And that if they aren't right they can kill you in an accident. I don't want to cage my car as the odds of a rollover are low and a cage is a pain with a 4 door. Sparco (I think) has a bar that attaches to the stock shoulder belt position and to the floor near the seat brackets. It spans the area between so you can loop or bolt the belts to it. I know that they'll never make one for my car, but it could be welded up fairly easy.Is this a good idea? Or am I wasting my time?

Depending on your car, either Meganracing.com or Lokar motorsports may make a harness bar for your car, which is the thing that mounts to the shoulder belt mounts.

Attach the lap belts at either your stock lap belt locations or where the seat rails meet the frame. The shoulder belts can either be attached to the rear seat lap belt hardpoints or some other hardpoint (strut mount, shoulder belt, etc.)

You keeping the rear seats in your sedan?

Xantos · 11-03-2004, 05:50 PM

The reason, or at least what I have heard, for harness not being legal is they restrict movement while inside the car. Making it harder to look behind you, according to the powers to be. They also say they are harder to get out of say if you fell in a lake and needed to un-buckle. I have also heard cops will not do anything if you have one but I guess you really just cant tell.

Valkyrie · 11-07-2004, 07:02 PM

I don't know so much about racing harnesses, but I know that aircraft harnesses are far easier to get out of then standard seatbelts.

Pull the latch and your out. The straps sort of just flow off of you when you stand up.

In a normal car seatbelt, you've gotta reach to hit a button, and then get the belt off of you and your arm.

If I went into a lake, I'd definately rather have a jet harness than a belt...

Dead Roman · 11-07-2004, 07:38 PM

race cars tend to explode into firey balls of death more often that street cars. Therefore, racing harnesses are designed to be shed as quickly as possible. Just like aircraft belts, pull one lever and they fall away, simple as that!! i personally only trust sparco and simpson harnesses(i have sparco's in my car) stick with a 3 inch and youll be oh k

Xantos · 11-07-2004, 07:55 PM

like I said, I have just heard this, since I cant even drive yet I have no reason to be even read over

Valkyrie · 11-07-2004, 10:08 PM

Question:

Ok, would a racing harness actually help you in a normal street crash, or would it make it worse? (assuming the roof isn't crushed somehow, although it seems like they'd help in a roll-over)

Or are they only good for keeping a race car driver in his seat, rather than safer in anything but a racing-esque crash?

oki_dlifter · 11-09-2004, 06:12 AM

trust me a race harness would definately help!, i was in a reck 2 weeks ago and the damn seat belt in the car popped off during the accident and my face slammed into the steering wheel and windshield, luckily my pretty face survived

(all 20 stitches are in my mouth), but if i had a race harness i would have been perfectly fine becuase it would have held me back against the seat and prevented me from slamming forward

D1 DRIFTER · 11-09-2004, 10:36 AM

it can go both ways if u are hit hard in the back they make it worse because your back takes all the force.. my friend was hit at 60mph in his RHD 14 and he blew 2 vertibrae(spelling) IN HIS BACK SO THEY HELP BUT THEY CAN HARM 2!

STreEt rAciNG! · 10-21-2010, 07:32 PM

Yo i have a toyota SUPRA 95 and i just put new sparco racing seats and and 3 point harness in it i found out the reason y u have to put a three point harness in ur car is bc it is used for offroading vehicles! and if u are worried about getting pulled over u wont cops dont care as long as u have a racing harnes in the back of ur car it goes around the passenger seat and the drivers seat it takes up no room at all! the only thing is that these harnesses ar not CHEAP! they range from 200 and up the cheapest i have seen is $230 that is all ik and i havent had a problem with the belt its comfrotable and everything iits been in my car for a month now!

Great Sea Ape · 11-10-2010, 06:37 PM

I had a friend in high school who put the 3" harness' in. He put the drivers in proper but not the passenger. He got into a front wreck at 50mph and his girl at the tome broke her clavical (collar bone). They help in some situsations and when worn proper but like everyone said not every crash/accident.

Bebop · 11-14-2010, 06:22 PM

I suggest looking at a autocross rule book to figure out how to safely mount a race harness with out a cage and loop.

driftykl47 · 11-17-2010, 04:20 PM

Yeah, if you're really worried about installing it correctly or not -- have a reputable shop (or somebody you really trust) do the work. This is a pretty like, serious investment because it could save your life.

11-01-2004, 06:48 PM	#1
Appleseed Schminking of gin Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 136	Racing belts + no roll cage I've done alot of reading about these things and how install them correctly. And that if they aren't right they can kill you in an accident. I don't want to cage my car as the odds of a rollover are low and a cage is a pain with a 4 door. Sparco (I think) has a bar that attaches to the stock shoulder belt position and to the floor near the seat brackets. It spans the area between so you can loop or bolt the belts to it. I know that they'll never make one for my car, but it could be welded up fairly easy.Is this a good idea? Or am I wasting my time?

11-01-2004, 08:14 PM	#5
Wickdmarz TROLL HUNTER Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So Cali Posts: 571	Dude if you want a harness make sure its 3 in wide or theres really no point. Its a standard in racing. But why wouldn't a harness be streetlegal?? Doesn't make sense to me. Anyways why would you want it to release like a 3 point?? So you can lean over when you flip?? So you can basically get whip-lash or pound your head into something? But I kinda understand if you don't have a rollcage, I guess you can lean forward and not have the roof crush you. But I highly doubt someone can react that fast, since you're flipping your body weight will fly in any direction, so its unpredictable. __________________ -Marlyn '87 Toyota Supra Turbo Drift Machine '88 RX-7 GXL Daily Ruffer

11-09-2004, 10:36 AM	#18
D1 DRIFTER Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 754	well.. it can go both ways if u are hit hard in the back they make it worse because your back takes all the force.. my friend was hit at 60mph in his RHD 14 and he blew 2 vertibrae(spelling) IN HIS BACK SO THEY HELP BUT THEY CAN HARM 2!

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11-01-2004, 07:05 PM	#2
Reckless Hero Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 99	http://www.soloracer.com/rallyecross.html these are street legal because on strap is supposed to releas and act like a 3 point if an impact happens so u are able to lean over if u do flip

11-01-2004, 07:09 PM	#3
Appleseed Schminking of gin Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 136	Cool, but what I was thinking was were they attach to? Some sort of roll bar is needed, right? I've seen them attached to the seat bolts and thats a no-no.

11-01-2004, 07:25 PM	#4
Reckless Hero Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 99	it dosnet matter where they can be mounted so long as its above 45 dgrees directly behind the drivers seat is what most say. lol i think their are a few diagrams on there too

11-01-2004, 11:53 PM	#6
Parry Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 894	you're not leaning anywhere...you're just going to bounce off hte roof and get pushed out of the way, instead of bounce into the roof and smush when you are held in place. Not the worst idea I've ever heard for sure.

11-02-2004, 12:39 PM	#7
Appleseed Schminking of gin Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 136	After market belts of any kind aren't street legal anywhere! They want you to use OEM belts. I'll feal real safe in my old muscle car with some crappy old style belt.

11-02-2004, 01:12 PM	#9
Appleseed Schminking of gin Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 136	I agree. I don't think most cop with any sence will care.

11-02-2004, 02:03 PM	#10
Darkstar Post idiot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 260	Cops don't mind about racing harnesses in cars here in Europe, at least when they are safely attached to the body and/or something else like the Sparco bar (check it out at sparcousa.com).

11-03-2004, 05:50 PM	#12
Xantos Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Round Rock, Texas Posts: 294	The reason, or at least what I have heard, for harness not being legal is they restrict movement while inside the car. Making it harder to look behind you, according to the powers to be. They also say they are harder to get out of say if you fell in a lake and needed to un-buckle. I have also heard cops will not do anything if you have one but I guess you really just cant tell.

11-07-2004, 07:02 PM	#13
Valkyrie Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bama Posts: 161	I don't know so much about racing harnesses, but I know that aircraft harnesses are far easier to get out of then standard seatbelts. Pull the latch and your out. The straps sort of just flow off of you when you stand up. In a normal car seatbelt, you've gotta reach to hit a button, and then get the belt off of you and your arm. If I went into a lake, I'd definately rather have a jet harness than a belt...

11-07-2004, 07:38 PM	#14
Dead Roman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 84	race cars tend to explode into firey balls of death more often that street cars. Therefore, racing harnesses are designed to be shed as quickly as possible. Just like aircraft belts, pull one lever and they fall away, simple as that!! i personally only trust sparco and simpson harnesses(i have sparco's in my car) stick with a 3 inch and youll be oh k

11-07-2004, 07:55 PM	#15
Xantos Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Round Rock, Texas Posts: 294	like I said, I have just heard this, since I cant even drive yet I have no reason to be even read over

11-07-2004, 10:08 PM	#16
Valkyrie Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bama Posts: 161	Question: Ok, would a racing harness actually help you in a normal street crash, or would it make it worse? (assuming the roof isn't crushed somehow, although it seems like they'd help in a roll-over) Or are they only good for keeping a race car driver in his seat, rather than safer in anything but a racing-esque crash?

11-09-2004, 06:12 AM	#17
oki_dlifter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: arlinton, tx Posts: 27	trust me a race harness would definately help!, i was in a reck 2 weeks ago and the damn seat belt in the car popped off during the accident and my face slammed into the steering wheel and windshield, luckily my pretty face survived (all 20 stitches are in my mouth), but if i had a race harness i would have been perfectly fine becuase it would have held me back against the seat and prevented me from slamming forward

10-21-2010, 07:32 PM	#19
STreEt rAciNG! Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1	Yo i have a toyota SUPRA 95 and i just put new sparco racing seats and and 3 point harness in it i found out the reason y u have to put a three point harness in ur car is bc it is used for offroading vehicles! and if u are worried about getting pulled over u wont cops dont care as long as u have a racing harnes in the back of ur car it goes around the passenger seat and the drivers seat it takes up no room at all! the only thing is that these harnesses ar not CHEAP! they range from 200 and up the cheapest i have seen is $230 that is all ik and i havent had a problem with the belt its comfrotable and everything iits been in my car for a month now!

11-10-2010, 06:37 PM	#20
Great Sea Ape Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Currently phoenix, az Posts: 3	I had a friend in high school who put the 3" harness' in. He put the drivers in proper but not the passenger. He got into a front wreck at 50mph and his girl at the tome broke her clavical (collar bone). They help in some situsations and when worn proper but like everyone said not every crash/accident.

11-14-2010, 06:22 PM	#21
Bebop Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 951 Posts: 2,485	I suggest looking at a autocross rule book to figure out how to safely mount a race harness with out a cage and loop.

11-17-2010, 04:20 PM	#22
driftykl47 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 19	Yeah, if you're really worried about installing it correctly or not -- have a reputable shop (or somebody you really trust) do the work. This is a pretty like, serious investment because it could save your life.